Can we buff Blood razor?

SonaTitsAndAss··5 votes·1,063 views

Everyone from bronze to diamond is saying its stupidly weak

MasterYi is better going warrior now Shyvana is better going cinderhulk Kayle is better going echos

no one but the current most op jungler ( Kindred ) got anything from this change.

you just killed off carry junglers that arnt assassins. and assassins suck in a tank meta gj riot

Yes i know bronze and silvers and gold players moan about yi and shyvana (who you know... kill tanks...) but those same bronze and silver and gold players bitch about tanks. And you killed one of the best counters to them.

Riot wants this item to be like? anti tank right? so lets make it anti tank... my ideas: ok 1. make the item deal 100 true damage flat or 5% of their health in true damage which ever is greater. this means early game "you know... where you buy these items" it wont be a useless investment because thats what it is atm. you buy this item. every has 1500-2000 hp. it does 0 fucking damage. your an item down vs everyone else. you lose. so give it an early game. 2. let it stack for a proc. every 3 autos let it proc for 15% max health true damage. useless vs carries good vs tanks. 3 let it abuse a weakness. each auto deals 50 flat ad damage/50 flat ap damage/ 5% health true damage. 4. let the auto percentage stack. 1% max health damage 2% max health damage 3% max health damage. but it stops if change targets or stop attacking for like 5 seconds.

those are my ideas take them or leave them. so lets go into maths as to why it is shit.

1: its fucking expensive. item 1416 this shit cost 2625 gold... lets figure out how much that enchant is. so lets take away 1000 for the smite. and 1 as = 25 gold it has 40 as so thats 1000 gold. we are spending 625 on this thing? that is fucking terrible value for damage. and early game is where the gold value to stat matters most. as for adcs taking this the is something wrong with you. your 1. fucking up your early game by taking no heal. 2. your getting terrible value for gold. 3 your early game is fucked. 4 late game you would swap this out for an item that cost more but is way better vs tanks like item 3153

I dont get what someone like phy says. the maths says its shit. the pro scene says its shit. the testing is shit. i mean on someone like shyvana whos 2/3 damage is ap your much more effective rushing a item 3091 because it shreds mr for her damage. adds mr to her to make her tankier. has same attack speed and the on hit damage does stuff vs both carries and tanks. for carries the flat 42 ap damage will fuck them up. vs tanks your shredding their tank stats its also only 175 gold more... like wtf? and if you saw your shyvana rushing this you would properly call her a troll or something because its so ineffective.

btw some i want to mention changing the damage from ad BACK to ap would help it.

Ad damage is more dominant therefore the are more armor items to counter it. therefor tanks (the person this item is meant to hurt but doesnt?) have more armor. therefore vs tanks its still weak.

24 Comments

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

MasterYi is better going warrior now Shyvana is better going cinderhulk Kayle is better going echos

Good. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

SonaTitsAndAss1 votes

Just want to ruin your day. Riot announced they are thinking of a way to buff yi and shyvana due to new item being so weak on them and they are the best at their thing so [slayer-jinx-wink]

FACE THE WlND2 votes

These are the DUMBEST suggestions I've ever read in gameplay. Congratulations!

SonaTitsAndAss2 votes

well i used 100 as an example if they did this idea it be more in the round of 75. but if you made it 75 with 3% that mean everyone above 2500 would take the percentage and i wouldnt call that as aimed at tanks. but you know whoever is stupid? anyone who thinks on hit junglers where a problem to start with. they are never played in high elos for a valid reason... they suck...

Hyperiön2 votes

Lol, I see this bloodrazer on a crap ton of champs, and it wrecks. Quit trying for your Master Yi to come back so you can carry by pressing R and right clicking.

SonaTitsAndAss2 votes

i see a thing called statics... and if my problem was carrying with master yi id switch to my Sejuani who i have an 80% winrate on in plat 2... and also master yi wasnt even classed as strong in high elo but in elo he is so im guessing your either bronze silver or low gold like 5 or 4. properly some dirty ahri mid main

Hyperiön2 votes

Hey look someone can look someone up... Even high elo, I saw people on stream just carry the shit out of yi. Oh, you pick Sej? Let me just Q your Ult, then hit you 7 times and die. Master Yi is heavily item reliable, nerf the items, Yi becomes not a 1v4 killing machine Half shotting everyone if he has crit, or just smacking the shit out of them because he won't die because he is tanky af. yeah, the logic in that, I don't have to be in plat or whatever to know what makes a champion OP. Even if I am only G5

SonaTitsAndAss2 votes

no actually i didnt look you up i can just tell by how you talk.

i just generally knew because you have an attitude which means you think you achieved something which generaly means low gold due to "HEY I GOT A SKIN IM SKILLED" and then mid because that is generally the roll where most people will moan about yi due to "omg how unfair for an assassin to do his job of killing a mage".

as for the rest of your paragraph its hard to read but as i can recall your logic is because he has an ability to outplay due to reactions in his kit that makes him more op then sej? as for killing tanks... yes... that is yis job... thats why all his damage in his e. thats why he is auto attack focused. that is why he builds items like blade of the ruined king. he is meant to kill tanks like vayne or kayle. (oh btw im calling your be bitching about kayle mid/top with the rageblade rework next) as for 1/4 this is only possible due to enemy misstakes... that what assassins in general are good at. abusing mistakes. if you got 1/4 by a yi that arnt yi being op/good its just due to your team doing something stupidly wrong. same logic applyies to Katarina and Akali .

and btw as to "i dont have to be in plat" stuff... yi wasnt played in diamond +... at all really... in korea he wasnt even being picked in bronze its all nidalee overthere atm.

Hyperiön2 votes

I never mentioned anything about Kayle/Vayne. And I saw streamers have Yi in their game quite often, so don't say that he wasn't played. Thats bullcrap.

SonaTitsAndAss2 votes

kayle your be moaning about in the future and yi had a terrible pick rate i dont care what u saw. facts r facts

Hethalean2 votes

Giving free magic damage (especially %hp) to kits that aren't necessarily including the fact that they do not have to go around armor is a deathtrap for the champions that abuse it the most as their kits will forever be in lockstep with that item. Especially with how much armor pen you can get relatively easily (item 3036 item 3033 item 3142 item 3156 etc). Especially with champions like Mastery Yi, who already has a considerable amount of unmitigateable damage (true damage) so giving him extra magic damage might require Olafing Master Yi. I have yet to see a Yi (It is early though) who goes Warrior as Warrior is an early game enchantment, and master yi seems to build for late game.

SonaTitsAndAss2 votes

well. i agree percentage magic damage is quite strong for example new mal ult. the 3% ad damage is incredibly weak and it would just help buff it up a bit. if the value was increased and it changed from ad to ap then we might as some problems. as for the armor pen items those do not synigize with alot of junglers i mean the best one of yi out of those be ghostblade and i dont think a yi has got one of those since season 3 for valid reason.

As for masteryi unmigigated damage i disagreee since he is melee and being melee counters this very point... as the ranges get longer it becomes more unmitigatable think of xerath q or karthus ult for example. While true master yi builds for late the problem with this item it builds for a late that never happens. for this damage to just match say... sateds on hit damage... (60+120 devide 2) your looking at a 3000 health tank... and then remember the damage was swaped from magic to ad... so your looking at the boardline 4000 health tanks which are in rarity most tanks seem to be going for resist focused items like item 3025. so in essence if you where yi vs 5 4000 health tanks... your damage would be about the same as it was last patch for just the on hit... no 2nd procs..

Hethalean1 votes

Very well could be. I wasn't trying to say it shouldn't happen necessarily. I was just scared that it might cause riot to 'kill' another champion and item at the same time... then change the item... then never return to that nerfed champion. :)

Blue Collar Bear2 votes

I think the item is fine. Where did you see that the pro scene said it was shit?

SonaTitsAndAss2 votes

pros voice their opinions... its not that hard to find...

Blue Collar Bear2 votes

Well, if you want to make a legitimate case for the item, I'd suggest you to find it and link it.

The item itself is just fine. Remember when Darius' passive was changed from magic to physical? Now, he just builds Black Cleaver and does a shit ton of damage. This damage scales with armor penetration and reduction, and that's what makes it insane. Auto attack reliant assassins / fighters are going to deal a lot of damage with this item, since they're also gonna build Black Cleaver, Ghostblade, and Maw. The item is incredibly slot efficient, since the damage scales with enemy health. I think the issue that you're finding with it is that there aren't a lot of champions who use the attack speed and on-hit well, especially in the early game since these are stats that are primarily end-game focused. It's meant to be the scaling option.

Blue Collar Bear2 votes

When you compare this item to Sated Devourer, Sated was much stronger simply because you could stat check people with 2x an on-hit, like Wuju Style from Master Yi. Who doesn't love going into their recap and seeing 1k on-hit true damage from a Master Yi?

The fact is, it's another on-hit effect and it's not going to match the old Phantom Hit it had.

SonaTitsAndAss2 votes

that isnt why i was saying its weak... im saying even WITHOUT THE PHANTOM HIT. the damage alone from this doesnt match the VALUE (because it went from ap damage to ad which is a nerf as well due to the being loads more armor) doesnt match unless your at the tankyest end of stuff fighting 4000 health tanks. my problem isnt with the item. its with its power. its fucking weak. its shit vs carries. its damage vs tanks is shit. auto attack based carries already deal with tanks easy as piss. its the worst possible item they could of made for what its meant to do. its like going "hey we want an hourglass for adcs" and they make it but you can still be hit while casting it you just cant cast spells or move...

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

Not everyone builds armor, though.

The example I used before, Darius' passive, still applies. His passive made him a lane bully, hard to itemize against. If you get armor, it still bleeds you to death. Now, his passive shreds armor with Black Cleaver and deals an incredibly relevant amount of damage at every stage in the game, because it scales with the armor reduction and penetration that he has. It's not a nerf. It's a buff, since we can now itemize more efficiently. I always felt awkward building Devourer on Xin Zhao and Nocturne, since they deal primarily physical damage through auto attacks. Now when I build Ghostblade and Bloodrazor, I get a much more efficient buy. The item isn't as efficient on attack speed / magic penetration scaling champions, like Warwick and Shyvana [RIP Braum jangle.] It's now an item for champions that scale on attack speed, armor penetration, and attack damage.

I just played a normal, and I ended the game most damage with Bloodrazor on Rengar. Not very indiciative of the item itself, but I'm relatively certain that if I can do it, plenty of people can make the item work for them.

SonaTitsAndAss1 votes

god this logic is making my brain hurt.

no not everyone does build armor. if they dont build armor they also dont build hp iv never seen a 1500 hp tank with 700 armor and mr it just doesnt happen so vs those it does 0 damage.

darius passive: darius is a caster bruiser who uses everything on the item black cleaver and his passive going to ad allows him to stack that. this is not the case with any auto attack reliant champion. like yi shyvana kindread just none of them go black cleaver for a valid reason of they dont benefit off it enough. the reason his passive deals damage is because it was buffed... quite a bit ...

Buff not nerf: NO JUNGLER WHO GOES ATTACK SPEED BUYS A BLACK CLEAVER! this is like going zed passive does ap damage... you know what be awesome on him... item 3135 its like no... they are different things....

xin and noc: it made their damage hybrid which is a good thing... and last time i checked u never got peneration on either of those... ever... at all...

I get a much more efficient buy: ok quick question. if they removed the phantom hit from sated.. and just kept the on hit damage... would it be weak? yes... thats why riot never did it... now the bloodrazor currently is even weaker then that.... so it doesnt matter how much it "matches" your idea of a build (which are way fucking off btw) it is to low a value.

Think of it like rengar. he was ad, cdr, pen. Ok we give him 10 ad. 10 cdr. 5 flat armor pen. that be 3000 gold. thanks.

it doesnt matter much they link if the value just isnt there.

attack speed / magic penetration scaling champions, like Warwick and Shyvana: http://i.memeful.com/media/post/mdGvX7R_700wa_0.gif no comment.

It's now an item for champions that scale on attack speed, armor penetration, and attack damage. ... you have the weird idea of "thats how items work" iv ever seen... every ad armor scales with armor peneration... thats armor penerations job... make your ad hurt more... same for attack speed in a simlar roll... its like going "we made this mage scale with cdr....." its like no shit every mage in the game scales with cdr....

I just played a normal, and I ended the game most damage with Bloodrazor on Rengar. Not very indiciative of the item itself, but I'm relatively certain that if I can do it, plenty of people can make the item work for them.: how to make someone who loves this thing called the scientific method kill themself...

  1. take an isolated case.
  2. draw a conclusion from isolated case.
  3. claim conclusion as true without repeated tests.
  4. ignore logic...

ok lets look who benefits from this item... very simple... champs... made to stomp low elo... and 90% of the community is low elo... all these champs have like a 47% winrate... keep in mind these are meant to be simple champs and that inflates their winrates... when a champion is fail proof like yi shyvana and warwick... and their winrate is below 49%... the is a big problem here... a winrate below 49% on any champ that isnt super high skillcap is a problem but it should never be this low on a fail proof champ because that means that even with them not fucking up mechanics... they dont have enough impact in raw stats to win... a fail proof champ is someone like amumu q r teamfight won.

yi is basicaly the same thing expect yis winrate is 44% ... and amumus is at 53%... let me repeat that... a fail proof champion has the 7th lowest winrate from a single item change...

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

Just had a Rek'Sai build Bloodrazor and Black Cleaver at our elo, by the way.

Maybe we just play differently, and you absolutely think the item is a failure. We'll have to wait until the 6.9 patch statistics aggregate, and then we can see how the item correlates to champion winrate compared to last patch. Until then, great job on being a dick! S+, my friend.

EDIT:

Just so I don't have to come back, I just wanna say that you can't expect people to take you seriously if you're treating everyone like a child. Want to flex your ego? Do it in private.

SonaTitsAndAss1 votes

Well the is 2 champs its good on.... Warwick and kindread... you can already get stats if u use a different site but champion.gg since you know... 45 million games r played a day and its been 2 days... I think they r pretty solid. And as for being a dick. It's hard when I go maths/pros/logic say this item fucking sucks and then I get "your shit cause you play yi" as most my answers. And I treat people like kids because they act like kids. Also riot announce in the last 3 hours they r planing to buff yi and shyvana due to this item being so terrible on them. Talk about me knowing my shit and the bronzies don't.

Raiku Kawisa1 votes

I do agree, it has no reason being more expensive than the other jungle items. I spent so long calculating how much more gold I needed to buy Devourer with what items I already had built. I thought I was 450g off of buying when I was really 625.

Also if this dmg is switched to Magic Damage. Magic Pen Attack Speed Shyvana would be godlike.

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