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zJCavRH7cd··15 votes·2,274 views

So I'm here to talk about the server migration that is about to occur.

But before I begin, I want to let you guys know. That Eastern NA is long overdue for this change, and ping change. I'm looking forward that you guys get better ping and enjoy the fact that riot finally did something ;3.

But what bothers me is, that. By giving you guys your lower ping, they've just hurt the west coast side.

You don't fix someone's bullet wound, by shooting them again in a different place.

What I don't get are the following.

Taken from Wiki.

North America Area 24,709,000 km2 (9,540,000 sq mi) Population 565,265,000 (2013, 4th)

Europe Area 10,180,000 km2 (3,930,000 sq mi)[n] (6th) Population 742,452,000[n] (2013; 3rd)

And Europe has 2 servers.

Server Type Date Established Languages Location

Europe Nordic & East EUNE July 13th 2010 English, Greek, Romanian, Polish, Hungarian, Czech Amsterdam, Netherlands Europe West EUW July 13th 2010 English, German, Spanish, French, Italian Amsterdam, Netherlands

Now the only thing Europe has going for was that it has 200m more population in 2013. Which yes maybe you need a 2nd server to manage all the players. I understand.

But don't you think NA is about there now?

North america not only doubles Europe in how large of a Continent. But our population is most likely almost nearing the same as what Europe's was in 2013.

I think it's time that we get a NA East. And a NA West.

Not only does it make all the East coast players happy, but it also keeps all the West coast players happy as well.

And don't forget all the competitive teams who moved near Portland for lower ping.

At least these are my thoughts on the situation...

Feel free to post any comments or ideas..

If a rioter would feel free to enlighten me as to why Riot games the company does not want to split up NA at this time feel free to comment.

27 Comments

cutelyphy8 votes

Wait, NA is bigger the EU.

I legit never new that, guess you learn something new everyday.

ONTOPIC:

Yeah I kinda agree that maybe it is time for 2 servers. But at the same time, maybe the reason why EU had 2 was because it's playerbase was so high. Maybe NA's isn't there yet?

Jubbinaut8 votes

{quoted}

Yeah I kinda agree that maybe it is time for 2 servers. But at the same time, maybe the reason why EU had 2 was because it's playerbase was so high. Maybe NA's isn't there yet?

One major reason (I won't pretend to know all of them) that EU has 2 servers is linguistic differences. You may note that both servers are in the same place (Amsterdam), and that they were established at the same time (2010). The only meaningful difference between the two is what languages are supported on them. Between the two servers, they support ten different languages. In a game such as League, keeping that number as low as possible is pretty important for facilitating communication.

NA, on the other hand, has one server to support one "official" language.

EDIT: Corrected my math. I was apparently not paying enough attention to see that "English" was listed twice.

ChromeFluxx1 votes

{quoted}

Wait, NA is bigger the EU.

I legit never new that, guess you learn something new everyday.

ONTOPIC:

Yeah I kinda agree that maybe it is time for 2 servers. But at the same time, maybe the reason why EU had 2 was because it's playerbase was so high. Maybe NA's isn't there yet?

there's an EU west, and an EU east, right? So its probably more likely that its because of the language barriers. like how latin america got a server because they were complaining about lack of communication.

Raw2 votes

{quoted}

there's an EU west, and an EU east, right? So its probably more likely that its because of the language barriers. like how latin america got a server because they were complaining about lack of communication.

This^ If it wasn't for the language barriers, I would of transfer to LAN servers a long time ago. I live in Florida and LAN servers located in Miami. http://www.auplod.com/u/lpauod602d5.jpeg

http://www.auplod.com/u/daopul5c344.png

TNHA Baritone3 votes

How many of you even know what it takes to make a server? Ok So shut up and quit whining.

zJCavRH7cd1 votes

{quoted}

How many of you even know what it takes to make a server? Ok So shut up and quit whining.

I do know what it takes.

I've hosted minecraft servers before Kappa

But actually I know what it takes to host servers and other things. And obviously yes it isn't a easy process. But through enough money at it and it works.

As much as i want to say, Riot has so much $$$. We have no idea what Tecent takes from them or the shareholders.... or their chineese warlords.

So we can never actually know.

But I can tell you one thing, if they can migrate it over to the east. That time and effort could have been just put into multiple servers instead.

Davy Crockett1 votes

My only problem would be for dedicated servers is this: we get two NA servers in the US, and we have people going from coast to coast, why do we have to pay 20$ to transfer our account over?

S2C2Xd9KOy1 votes

you don't? even with this server coming up their giving the opportunity for people to free transfer to the new na server that live in na but have been playing on a different server for connection reasons.

Davy Crockett1 votes

I don't think you understand... I'm talking about having two servers such as "NA East" and "NA West" like in Europe. For people who have a country that's geographically speaking the size of a continent, and people move back and forth, connection could potentially be terrible to play while on the East coast when your account is on West server and vice versa.

Laustin Space2 votes

Real talk I don't understand why they are simply moving the servers so far east. You would think they would pick somewhere more central so the west coast doesn't now have to deal with what the east coast did prior to the move. :/

Davy Crockett1 votes

cuz the internet's infrastructure in chicago is really strong there? keep in mind west coast will go up 20 ping from say 30 and gets normalized with east coast and more stability at the cost of lower ping for east coast. im not an internet guru that can explain it, but thats riot;s explanation

Lugg1 votes

I am in Nevada and my ping is basically doubling from 40-50 ms to 85-95ms. I have VERY fast internet and I'm closer than the coast.

Jubbinaut2 votes

Yeah, you're geographically closer, but you're more than likely being routed back to SF or LA before getting to the big backbone lines - which means you're gaining extra hops.

Meanwhile, someone already on the coast already routes through there to begin with - no "bonus" gains there.

Jubbinaut10 votes

Simply put, they're doing it because of traffic.

Physical distance is only the smallest factor in determining ping. The largest is "hops," or how many routers/servers/whatevers the packet has to pass through to get from A to B.

Placing the servers in a more geographically central location may do a great deal to minimize the average physical distance between the server and clients, but it would likely increase the number of hops required for most players.

By putting the servers in Chicago - already a central hub for internet traffic - they're actually reducing the average hops required for far more players than they would in any more geographically central location. Here's an example backbone map, illustrating this, and there's plenty more to be dug up with a quick Google search.

IWipeForward1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Laustin Space,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=wfBJZ99m,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-08-24T20:57:08.398+0000)

Real talk I don't understand why they are simply moving the servers so far east. You would think they would pick somewhere more central so the west coast doesn't now have to deal with what the east coast did prior to the move. :/

I highly doubt you'll have the 100 ping I had here in SC. lol.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I agree. The fact that Europe, the second smallest continent on this Earth, has more servers than NA (more dedicated servers, the LAN server does not count), is ridiculous. Hell, South America has THREE SERVERS! THREE OF THEM! THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! And yet North America, the third largest region in playerbase (I think), has one server.

ElJanitorFrank1 votes

I dunno, your analogy doesn't make sense to me. It's not a case of shooting you somewhere else.

Both sides are going to be relatively even now, to say that west coast got screwed in the deal is a little silly, honestly. Their ping will be the same as mine currently is (as I live in Illinois) and I have never noticed input lag when playing at my 67 ping unless it was inconsistent.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Korea and EUW are both bigger servers than NA. Even with the EUNE server the EUW server still has almost 1 million more players than NA...so I think 1 server is completely fine.

MAN OF INTELLECT1 votes

For me though, I feel that NA covers a much larger area - all of USA and many areas of Canada. Honestly, the distance that the servers have to carry all this data is far greater than in Europe or Korea. By ten times.

Sucks for me too, since I live in Portland :(

53872273_DEL1 votes

Considering both EU servers are in Amsterdam, they spilt off.. I have a theory Put the main server in Dallas and then have 2 splits in say florida and portland

NA:

                                                                                          MAIN 
                                                               WEST                                       EAST

What the main server would do is where all the activity is started from main and whatever east/west server summoner chooses it will go from their ISP to EAST to Main..that way minimal salt and no favoritisim,,

Jubbinaut1 votes

But... that's actually more hops for most people than just having the server in Chicago. It would exacerbate the problem, rather than solve it.

moomoomilkUwU1 votes

This is totally true.. But I mean the NA server move is better for everyone. I live in New Jersey so you can probably guess the horrible lag I get XD but since Chicago is like near the center of America, it actually won't be so bad for West Cost. they won't lag as bad as we have and will have around the same oong as the East Cost now that it will be pretty balanced out. And honestly, west coasters should not even be complaning (not saying all of you guys are, ik it's a small minority) because now less of their teammates will lag and have AFK issues. It will actually make everything better for everyone imo.

DerpSteve1 votes

Well, more in relation to the server move. I'm in the military stationed in Hawaii. As it stands now I get anywhere from 85-100 ms. By moving the servers to Chicago i imagine the game will be largely unplayable. I don't claim to be super competitive or even good at the game, but if I'm looking at 130+ ms ping it's a very big deal. This change might completely alienate an entire (albeit small) group of players. I haven't tested my ping in other regions, but free transfer aside, I lose the ability to play with my friends.

Real talk..... IT'S ABSURD THEY DON'T HAVE A USEAST AND USWEST!

Jubbinaut1 votes

As weird as this sounds... depending on where and how Hawai'i connects to the rest of the US (and I won't even pretend to know that), the move may still be good for you - or at least not significantly worse.

Plastic Mem0ries1 votes

{quoted}

As weird as this sounds... depending on where and how Hawai'i connects to the rest of the US (and I won't even pretend to know that), the move may still be good for you - or at least not significantly worse.

Well, for people in Hawaii or Alaska, we got screwed. I would love NA East and NA west. Then I could retain my 70 ping. Now I have 150, unfortunately ;c.

S2C2Xd9KOy1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/tips-tricks/Me5r4viE-psayou-can-check-what-your-ping-will-be-with-the-server-move-right-now

DerpSteve1 votes

Useful, thank you.....but confirmed my fears :(

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