Riot that water image is not okay. Showing someone that seems to of drowned does not feel right. Who was okay with that and why? I understand the artistic meaning but that's bad, really bad.
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BLACK REALM GOD2 votesthe eyes are closed for a calming effect and because if it wasnt for that screen lux wouldnt blink once the entire clip. it's very artistic. idk if you've never seen drown victims or what, but that is not what a person looks like when they're drowning or have drowned. even immediately after doing so. drowning is asphyxiation. in other words it causes the skin to turn purple and the veins to swell.
Knalxz1 votesThey've never had a problem with people not blinking before, I doubt this was the one that set them over the edge. Hell, not even Kat blinks in the new assassin login screen so I have to say that doesn't carry much weight. Though the calming affect is a good point despite there being other ways to accomplish this.I doubt the artist is lazy or a amateur so it wouldn't be hard to do so when you compare it to a drown victim.
While on the topic of that the clear reason why she doesn't simulate an actual drown victim is that league isn't exactly realistic and two it'd be pretty hard to make that be something nice to look at.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesyes, but blinking isnt needed when the model is so far away and always has the same personality. this artwork is supposed to show the differences between the forms including their personalities. one of the easiest ways to do that is by adjusting how the eyes appear. any anime artist can tell you that the eyes make all the difference when drawing art. the same thing is true in real life. eyes show you a persons feelings and personality quite clearly for those who know what to look for. if she was a drowning victim she'd be slightly horizontal and float-ish at the very least. instead what im seeing is a woman who is at peace inside of a body of water as if it is her home.
Knalxz1 votesThen what about Ivern's intro. The cameras right on his face he he never blinked.
Also I find it hard to believe anyone without context would see that as her just happily lying at rest in her home. I know this because I showed the image to cousin before I made this post and the decision. He thought she was someone who died and when I explained the elemental he gave his opinion that it just looked like someone who'd drowned and feels wrong.
I said if a normal person thinks that's what it looks like, what'd happen if the people who over react will think and tried to catch it before it got out
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesiverns login screen WAS creepy because the eyes didnt blink. i felt like i was being stared at. they halfway flicked a little and it was really really uncomfortable. i think that was the vibe they wanted to go for though. since he's the guardian of the forest and all so it's like... "im watching you >.>"
i still stand by the idea that they changed her eye positioning and such for an easy way to express the different personalities. it's a lot better than having a load in screen that constantly repeats phrases over and over again in different personalities. making her blink was just natural once they paid that much attention to the detail in her eyes.
correct. anyone without context would probably be like "HEY THAT LADY DOESNT HAVE RED HAIR SO SHE ISNT ARIEL SOMEONE NEEDS TO SAVE HER!". is that the artists fault? no. then again i go back to the crucifix and say the same thing. the same thing can be said about a lot of art. that mind set is why a lot of greek art isnt covered in public school anymore. perverts got excited and had to make it clear to everyone else that the "disturbance in the force" they were experiencing was obviously not their fault.
the bottom line is that if the person is drowning and you know that because the artist says so - it's still their art. if you dont like it then dont associate with it and it will eventually disappear if no one else likes it.
until we know for sure that it's a woman who's drowning then you're just overreacting. people who overreact shouldnt be given the power to make decisions. it's dangerous.
Requiemsfire2 votesOh boy, here we go.
Astôlfo1 votesWhere?
Knalxz1 votesSurrender at 20, I'll put a link in the OP. It was just weird seeing Lux as if she'd just drowned.
Astôlfo1 votesI mean I don't think it's supposed to be drowning. She still has the 'up-down' movements of breathing. Maybe she's just able to channel through the water now and breath in it, like a water spirit would?
Knalxz1 votesWell, you do need to be breathing to drown but anyways it's just off putting since this is the image they choose out of all the endless possibilities.
Flaherty1 votesShe's smiling and her mouth is like a foot away from the surface of the water. How on earth do you think it looks like she's drowning/has drowned?
Knalxz1 votesDo you seriously think this is the best image to represent that she's a water elemental? If so then why isn't the fire element buried in a volcano? When I look at that image it looks like a woman who bumped her head and feel into the water not someone enjoying a cool swim.
Flaherty1 votesIt doesn't matter if it's the best or not, that's not relevant to what you said. You said the water one looks like she has drowned which is an absurd thing to say and it looks like you're getting upset for the sake of getting upset.
Knalxz1 votesDo you really think I just came here just to be upset, what would that accomplish? I was about to head to the PBE, checked at surrender at 20 for any updates and I saw the login and this. This has nothing to do with Triggernation or whatever, it's just a general concern with a woman appearing to of drowned on the front screen of the game. and asking for something to be done.
If I a person who typically hates the who change this shit that happens every other day sees a problem with this, you don't think anyone else will?
Flaherty1 votesWe live in such a pc society that some people feel they need to be upset by something so they find anything and twist it to make it seem offensive which is what you're doing. The general "concern" you have for an artistic depiction of a fictional video game character which is not offensive or suggests anything you're saying it does makes absolutely no sense.
Knalxz1 votesYou are aware that what you just said is a doubled edged sword right? Not only can I just say that people aren't sensitive enough and that the artistic nature of the image makes it worse and that you saying it doesn't mean means artistic perception has fallen but I'm not because it wouldn't solve anything. It'd just be me vs you which these kind of situations never end. It'll just become a shouting war.
So will you see a bit of logic and just agree that this could of been done far better then it currently has been?
Flaherty1 votesNo I'm not going to agree to something that is blatantly wrong. You're being offended by something that isn't offensive and continue to argue over something so stupid instead of being offended by things that actually matter. Let's say the artist did intentionally make her drowning and dead, why should he/she change it because someone finds it offensive?
Knalxz1 votesWhen did I ever say I was offended, what the hell is wrong with you? Am I being trolled right now? Man it's been awhile since you guys have stepped up your game.
Also you're saying someone shouldn't something that is offensive? I'd think alot of people wouldn't like to see a statue of jim crow black man getting whipped by a white man. I think alot of people would demand for a change if something like that pops up.
I don't understand the logic behind what you just said.
Flaherty1 votesWhy would you say anything unless you were offended/found it offensive? Where did I say "you shouldn't put something that's offensive"? The answer is nowhere did I say that. Now you're putting words in my mouth and getting offended by things I didn't even say and you're questioning MY logic?
Knalxz1 votesIs it really so hard to believe that i can have an opinion on something without being triggered by it? I saw this image and just thought it wasn't okay for what the game is. I wasn't offended by it I just thought it wasn't appropriate.
That cannot be something hard for you to grasp otherwise you really would be a troll.
Also I have no idea what you're quoting in your post because I don't see that anywhere in mine. I never said you said anything you're putting words in my mouth that you're saying I put in yours. I don't even know what to call this situation.
Flaherty2 votesIn the fire one it clearly shows she's in the middle of a fire from all the sparks and fire bits floating around her, so she must be suffocating because of the lack of oxygen inside the middle of that fire.
Knalxz1 votesThere's a huge difference from having embers tickle your nose and having a body of water over your head. That thing behind her is just apart of her attire.
Even the transition from Water to Light appears to be as if she's coming back to life.
Flaherty2 votesPeople go underwater when they swim, most people underwater are not drowning and most people who are drowning don't look calm and relaxed. Opening your eyes does not equal coming back to life.
Knalxz1 votesCertainly but the way she opens her eyes is like she's just been revived, and that's ignoring the implication of her dying then returning to the light.
Flaherty1 votesPlease explain how it looks like she is being revived. I genuinely want to know because all I see is someone waking up.
Knalxz1 votesYou're trolling me aren't you? Okay, yeah, I'll just stop feeding you.
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesshe's not being revived. that an animation reset. it's something we see commonly with gifs. the light form gets a transformation just like fire and water but the problem with it is that the light forms "birth" has to happen in a way that captures the audiences attention on its own and welcomes the player into the league of legends client as well as also covering up the left over images in the water background. the explosion of light only reminds you of something holy because of your mind subconsciously linking the light explosion and the glowing aura to an image of something like an angel or spirit when it doesnt actually represent that at all.
the reality is that you are upset because of a work of art that you've judged from the point of your beliefs and culture as opposed to having an open mind to accept it as someone elses interpretation of a situation.
if someone showed you a picture of a woman dressed in white with red stains on her clothes sitting in a dark room with her hair draped over her face that doesnt necessarily mean anything negative - it could be a poorly timed photo taken by a woman having bad hair day that just spilled ketchup on her dress that accidentally got posted or it could be a photo from a kidnapping victim murder.
like this
http://cdn.kickvick.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/misleading-photos-10.jpg
whatever you think is going on in a photo doesnt matter because until the person who created that art tells you why it's the way it is then it is just you guessing. now one thing i want to point out is that yes this is a photo of a baby with giant feet, but even i dont know what's going on in the photo. maybe the baby is actually gifted with huge feet. maybe the dad is hiding under the covers. maybe it's photoshopped. my point is that you cant get offended at drawings because of how they look.
there are two sides to that argument obviously and there is a video that was very cleverly made to illustrate both sides which i would gladly give you the link to if i wasnt worried about getting into trouble for it. just go to google and type in Whitest kids you know elephant drawing. as some reassurance that it isnt some weird site im going to tell you that the whitest kids you know is a tv show that used to come on IFC which is a mature satire show involving lots of little skits and shorts similar to what dave chapelle used to do on comedy central a while back. one of the more popular members of the cast is trevor moore who you might recognize. you can find videos of it on youtube.
Knalxz1 votesWhen I mentioned her being revived I was talking about her eyes obviously being closed then how the transition makes her eyes reset then adjust to the screen as if she'd just been revived. The other part was just poking fun.
To the other points, I'm just confused. So you are aware that by your logic this means that nothing anyone says anything about a piece of art matters unless the artist confirms it despite art for literally hundreds and some cases, thousands of years having people decide what it means without context from creator.
Also what if the Rioter does confirm that she's meant to of drowned, then what?
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesi'll reply to each point separately to help make my points clearer
about the eyes. when someone jumps into a pool of water they usually either wear protective covering over their eyes or they close their eyes to keep them from becoming damaged by the contaminants of the water. if they dont their eyes become bloodshot and red. if the water is bad enough it could be possibly permanently damaging. now im not saying that is the reason why they're closed. im saying that that is a possible reason. there are a few other reasons why her eyes could be closed as i've stated above such as it allows her to blink, it gives a calmer and more majestic appearance which contradicts the fire image of openly piercing eyes. each individual form has its own personality and you can see that in the video from the eyes. eyes are a way to see into a persons inner feelings and get a truer understanding of their character. the screen has her open her eyes so she can reset for the normal look of the light image and re-position inside of the burst of light which hides the blue background from view long enough for the images re-positioning to go unnoticed or at least feel natural.
to point number two - those people are what one would call an art snob. the idea of art is that it does 1 of 2 things it represents a personal aspect of the creator and/or it represents a common aspect shared among society that is easily related to. when an artist creates a piece of art and everyone and their grandma starts trying to tell the artist what they think the art represents usually what happens is even if the artist had a completely different approach to the art than what is expected to prevent the snobs from losing interest the artist will agree and sell the artwork to whoever wants it as whatever they've decided it is because that's what artists have to do to survive and profit. if you've ever heard of a starving artist or have seen those cliche representations of artists as some stuck up person that is always telling people they're fools because they cant see the differences between maroon and magenta or whatever - those are representations of what happens when an artist stands up for their artwork. usually the outcome is they're not successful or their art starts to become scorned. the correct way to enjoy art so that doesnt demean an artist is to ask them what the artwork represents and accept it for what it is. if you cant relate to what they're saying then the art isnt for you. the reason for artists to become more popular after their death is because once they die they cant complain when someone tries to tell them they're wrong. the most famous art pieces are in fact the ones without definitive reasoning and are left to interpretation.
if the person who created this video confirms that she's meant to have drowned then what right have you to change anything about it? would you want people to control what an artists creates or would you want to allow an artist to create something that is actually noteworthy? imagine if someone had prevented any artist from drawing or designing the image of jesus mounted to the cross. imagine if horror movies werent allowed to be... horrific.
what you can do is refuse to associate yourself with the artwork if it offends you. in other words dont buy it. if it sales poorly because of the drowning then the company that hired the artist will look elsewhere for their art. then the artist will either stand up for themselves and say yes i create works that embody reality or they'll succumb to their need to survive and adapt to a new art form that is accepted. i for one think it's a great animation that does exactly what it needed to do. promotes hype for elementalist lux.
xxxDogmanxxx1 votesWHY DID THEY LEAVE NATURE OUT OF THE LOG IN SCREEN?!
Knalxz1 votesUnsure, it easily could of served better.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesonly the artist knows,but possibly because fire and water allowed them to show polar opposites which was good enough of a representation of the different personalities and themes. if the other personalities of the other forms were added it might have become too hard to distinguish the forms other than just the color which would have defeated the purpose of showing any forms at all.
bad arcade kitty1 voteswhat's wrong with showing off some pretty drowned girl, i dunno
ValyrianBlade1 votesI agree... her eyes should have been open while under the water. Blink or something maybe. It could look like she has drowned, and frankly that's not really appropriate. I'd imagine there are some people that would have a PTSD due to that.
