I want higher penalities. Am I in the wrong?

Remnar·May 13, 2015·6 votes·1,069 views

So,

I was really thinking hard about this, and I really feel like penalties should be harsher for leavers. Is it wrong of me to wish they get banned sooner? I mean, I'm certainly not perfect, but the amount of people I see leave hasn't dropped since the discussions about the penalty system upgrade. I guess I'm just tired of hearing people say "stuff happens."

No, not really.

I've been playing this game a long time, over 3 years, and the amount of "random" things that have come up and prevented me from finishing a match can be counted on one hand.

Sigh.

I just wish people would actually dedicate time to matches and not say things like "Hey, we gotta finish this match in like 2 minutes, I forgot I have to go to a dinner." It's like, no, eff you, stay and finish this, and if you don't, I hope your food gives you salmonella.

Am I a bad person?

45 Comments

VyckyMay 13, 20153 votes

There are some cases where penalties need to be in place to deter people from activities that others deem wrong. But how harsh is up to debate.

I'll take a real life example; States in the USA with the death penalty have a higher crime rate than those without the death penalty. This reflects a more imprisonment or harsher sentencing style than those states without the death penalty which may instead concentrate on rehabilitation.

I'm not saying that harsher punishments won't work, but a reform style may work better where emphasizing that 9 other players are affected if you leave rather than increasing the severity of the punishment.

LegendaryLemurMay 13, 20151 votes

Or maybe people prefer death to imprsonment.

disregardableMay 13, 20152 votes

I've been playing this game a long time, over 3 years, and the amount of "random" things that have come up and prevented me from finishing a match can be counted on one hand.

...Nope, that's definitely a "you" thing. This client is glitchy as all get out. I've spent several hours dealing with permissions issues where the game would literally not let me load in because, why? Windows needs updated when it literally worked an hour ago? Clicking "Run as Administrator" didn't work for some reason? There are the times where the game constantly thinks you have a firewall issue and you need to flush your DNS 30 times and pray it works.

Even if you didn't live with parents that refuse to accept that your game doesn't have a pause button, and even if you've only had 5 major storms that knocked out your wifi in 3 years, I refuse to believe this client hasn't fucked you over at least 30 times.

RemnarMay 13, 20152 votes

I've had issues with the client, yeah, but honestly it always happens before I can even start a match. It's been ages since the client has actually messed with me in game. Perhaps I am being too harsh then. :/

EleshakaiMay 13, 20151 votes

The majority of leaves are not 'intentional leaves' so the penalty system can't do anything about them except force them to quit the game entirely. It's a futile endeavor to try to 'reduce leavers' because most people don't CHOOSE to leave a game. Most people leave due to circumstances outside of their control... either bugs, connection issues, or emergencies.

SmokedAlmondsMay 13, 20152 votes

Ive played this game for like 5 years and have never considered AFKs to be a serious problem but I am pretty much always in favor of increased punishments in this game. At least increase the rate in which they ramp up, the early punishments being small are ok. They allow people to carry on with their behavior for far to long. Part of that is just the speed of the punishment system, which is definitely improving. If you can catch people with small punishments right after a match or in the same day they would be much more effective than "you have done a bunch of stuff over the last month that isn't good so heres your punishment"

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The majority of leaves are not 'intentional leaves' so the penalty system can't do anything about them except force them to quit the game entirely. It's a futile endeavor to try to 'reduce leavers' because most people don't CHOOSE to leave a game. Most people leave due to circumstances outside of their control... either bugs, connection issues, or emergencies.

Does it really matter why they left though? the effect is the same. Punishments for frequent "emergencies" or DCs is just telling you that you need to be more considerate when you deciding if you are going to queue. If you are leaving enough to get punished because of emergencies or disconnects you need to stop playing until you fix your problems.

EleshakaiMay 13, 20151 votes

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Ive played this game for like 5 years and have never considered AFKs to be a serious problem but I am pretty much always in favor of increased punishments in this game. At least increase the rate in which they ramp up, the early punishments being small are ok. They allow people to carry on with their behavior for far to long. Part of that is just the speed of the punishment system, which is definitely improving. If you can catch people with small punishments right after a match or in the same day they would be much more effective than "you have done a bunch of stuff over the last month that isn't good so heres your punishment"

Does it really matter why they left though? the effect is the same. Punishments for frequent "emergencies" or DCs is just telling you that you need to be more considerate when you deciding if you are going to queue. If you are leaving enough to get punished because of emergencies or disconnects you need to stop playing until you fix your problems.

I don't want to get into a huge discussion on this because I've beaten this horse far beyond death...

but I was just explaining WHY the OP hadn't noticed much of an improvement despite the new system. Because no system can ever fix the problem because the problem isn't occuring BY CHOICE so thus there's nothing people can do about it.

I've never considered someone leaving a problem unless it was done in rage(and no, I've never been punished for leaving). Never bothered me otherwise because I feel that life is far more important than the game and should be treated as such, and I think anyone who IS bothered by that has an unhealthy level of obsession with the game and should probably take a break from the game but I won't go further into why I feel that to be the case because that's not the point of the thread.

SmokedAlmondsMay 13, 20151 votes

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I don't want to get into a huge discussion on this because I've beaten this horse far beyond death...

but I was just explaining WHY the OP hadn't noticed much of an improvement despite the new system. Because no system can ever fix the problem because the problem isn't occuring BY CHOICE so thus there's nothing people can do about it.

I've never considered someone leaving a problem unless it was done in rage(and no, I've never been punished for leaving). Never bothered me otherwise because I feel that life is far more important than the game and should be treated as such, and I think anyone who IS bothered by that has an unhealthy level of obsession with the game and should probably take a break from the game but I won't go further into why I feel that to be the case because that's not the point of the thread.

Its not about obsession. It is about respecting other peoples time. Every time you leave or DC from a game you just wasted at least 20 minutes of 9 peoples lives. It actually has a far greater effect on people who play less because that afk might be ruining the only game they were going to have time to play.

Shit happens, theres no reason to rage at someone who afks. I just sit back and let the system judge if it is happening too often.

EleshakaiMay 13, 20151 votes

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Its not about obsession. It is about respecting other peoples time. Every time you leave or DC from a game you just wasted at least 20 minutes of 9 peoples lives. It actually has a far greater effect on people who play less because that afk might be ruining the only game they were going to have time to play.

Shit happens, theres no reason to rage at someone who afks. I just sit back and let the system judge if it is happening too often.

Again, not going to get into a huge discussion, but if you find your time wasted because someone left, that's obsession.

If you let that ruin it, you're getting into obsessive territory.

SmokedAlmondsMay 13, 20151 votes

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Again, not going to get into a huge discussion, but if you find your time wasted because someone left, that's obsession.

If you let that ruin it, you're getting into obsessive territory.

that's not an obsession its just a fact. I set aside time to play league. league is played 5v5. when someone leaves the game is over and that time was wasted.

If you enjoy yourself in a 4v5 that's your business, I don't and I don't think most people do either.

EleshakaiMay 13, 20151 votes

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that's not an obsession its just a fact. I set aside time to play league. league is played 5v5. when someone leaves the game is over and that time was wasted.

If you enjoy yourself in a 4v5 that's your business, I don't and I don't think most people do either.

I enjoy the game, doesn't matter he circumstances. If you don't, you might want to reconsider what you really like. 4v5 has no impact on me, I can still improve, I'm still playing the game, it's still fun. If you don't like the game, don't like improving, etc... what do you like? Winning? Then there are easier ways to get that that won't come with so much wasted time.

SmokedAlmondsMay 13, 20151 votes

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I enjoy the game, doesn't matter he circumstances. If you don't, you might want to reconsider what you really like. 4v5 has no impact on me, I can still improve, I'm still playing the game, it's still fun. If you don't like the game, don't like improving, etc... what do you like? Winning? Then there are easier ways to get that that won't come with so much wasted time.

There is nothing meaningful for me to improve in a 4v5. also just to be clear, I feel the same about 4v5s regardless of whos team the afk is on. Winning isn't necessarily a requirement of enjoying the game but I do want to win. To me there's just no point in an unbalanced game. I wouldn't play monopoly if someone started with extra money. I wouldn't play poker if some people got extra cards.

Like I said its about respecting other people and their time. If there is any meaningful chance that you will have to leave a game or you are ever queuing hoping your connection problems goes away then at best you are inconsiderate, at worst you are selfish and disrespectful. Its also not about individual afks. Shit happens, everyone has things happen. I have, and probably will again. This is about people who constantly leave or play when their connections or computers suck. There was a similar thread who thought leaverbuster was a problem because he kept getting penalties because he had 2 newborne babies. Are babies more important than league? obviously yes. But having to take care of a baby is not some surprise responsibility. A baby waking up and you absolutely needing to go take care of it in a given time period is not some kind of surprise, its to be expected. Its not that people shouldn't do w/e else instead of league, its that they need to take 3 seconds to figure out if they can actually play out a game.

EleshakaiMay 13, 20151 votes

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There is nothing meaningful for me to improve in a 4v5. also just to be clear, I feel the same about 4v5s regardless of whos team the afk is on. Winning isn't necessarily a requirement of enjoying the game but I do want to win. To me there's just no point in an unbalanced game. I wouldn't play monopoly if someone started with extra money. I wouldn't play poker if some people got extra cards.

Like I said its about respecting other people and their time. If there is any meaningful chance that you will have to leave a game or you are ever queuing hoping your connection problems goes away then at best you are inconsiderate, at worst you are selfish and disrespectful. Its also not about individual afks. Shit happens, everyone has things happen. I have, and probably will again. This is about people who constantly leave or play when their connections or computers suck. There was a similar thread who thought leaverbuster was a problem because he kept getting penalties because he had 2 newborne babies. Are babies more important than league? obviously yes. But having to take care of a baby is not some surprise responsibility. A baby waking up and you absolutely needing to go take care of it in a given time period is not some kind of surprise, its to be expected. Its not that people shouldn't do w/e else instead of league, its that they need to take 3 seconds to figure out if they can actually play out a game.

There are a TON of things you can improve in a 4v5. Challenge is what makes you improve, and there's nothing more challenging than being put at a huge disadvantage. That FORCES you to play at your best if you want even the slightest chance of victory.

In fact, I'd wager someone who played NOTHING but 4v5s for a year but took them seriously would probably improve ten times faster than someone who just played 5v5s because they'd have a constant challenge. Overcoming that would require everything of them.

IF you don't think you can improve in a 4v5, you're just kidding yourself.

But really... I think your attitude is utterly pathetic. The fact that you consider someone leaving a VIDEO GAME to be DISRESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME genuinely disgusts me. It's one thing if they leave simply to get away from their team, that's obviously disrespectful due to the intent. I'm sorry, but I can't help but feel really bad for humanity if people who take gaming so seriously are the norm.... and this is coming from someone who has been writing about gaming in their spare time as a hobby for four years now. Gaming is a huge part of my life, but holy fuck man... how pathetic does it sound to say 'you're a parent of a newborn child. FUCK YOU STAY OUT OF MY GAME BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LEAVE!' BEcause that is what you're saying. Right there, reduced down to its most basic form. And that is an absolutely SICKENING attitude. And this is why I didn't want to get too deep into it... because I knew if we did you'd say something like this that would absolutely disgust me. It's such a fucking horrible attitude I can't even FATHOM how you can say it with a straight face, are you REALLY that horrible of a person?

SmokedAlmondsMay 13, 20151 votes

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There are a TON of things you can improve in a 4v5. Challenge is what makes you improve, and there's nothing more challenging than being put at a huge disadvantage. That FORCES you to play at your best if you want even the slightest chance of victory.

In fact, I'd wager someone who played NOTHING but 4v5s for a year but took them seriously would probably improve ten times faster than someone who just played 5v5s because they'd have a constant challenge. Overcoming that would require everything of them.

IF you don't think you can improve in a 4v5, you're just kidding yourself.

But really... I think your attitude is utterly pathetic. The fact that you consider someone leaving a VIDEO GAME to be DISRESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME genuinely disgusts me. It's one thing if they leave simply to get away from their team, that's obviously disrespectful due to the intent. I'm sorry, but I can't help but feel really bad for humanity if people who take gaming so seriously are the norm.... and this is coming from someone who has been writing about gaming in their spare time as a hobby for four years now. Gaming is a huge part of my life, but holy fuck man... how pathetic does it sound to say 'you're a parent of a newborn child. FUCK YOU STAY OUT OF MY GAME BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LEAVE!' BEcause that is what you're saying. Right there, reduced down to its most basic form. And that is an absolutely SICKENING attitude. And this is why I didn't want to get too deep into it... because I knew if we did you'd say something like this that would absolutely disgust me. It's such a fucking horrible attitude I can't even FATHOM how you can say it with a straight face, are you REALLY that horrible of a person?

It doesn't even really have anything to do with the game. I take commitments seriously. Being responsible for taking care of a baby is not some small chance to have to leave, you are almost guaranteed to have to leave. Queuing up in that situation is being selfish, it is putting your time above 9 other peoples time. That isn't just what im saying that is what riot is saying. The reason for leaving is completely irreverent, if you are leaving enough to receive those punishments you need to adjust what you consider an acceptable chance of having to leave a game.

EleshakaiMay 14, 20151 votes

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It doesn't even really have anything to do with the game. I take commitments seriously. Being responsible for taking care of a baby is not some small chance to have to leave, you are almost guaranteed to have to leave. Queuing up in that situation is being selfish, it is putting your time above 9 other peoples time. That isn't just what im saying that is what riot is saying. The reason for leaving is completely irreverent, if you are leaving enough to receive those punishments you need to adjust what you consider an acceptable chance of having to leave a game.

Yep. You're a sickening individual with no concern for others who considers his chance of victory and his GAME to be so important that he'd rather deny others any chance of fun at all than have to put up with the slight chance he might be put at a disadvantage for the occasional game. Got it. Done with you. There's no redeeming this attitude. It's why I quit the game, I can't support Riot ENCOURAGING this type of disgusting behaviour.

The ULTIMATE selfishness is what you're displaying. You're saying this individual - who is already going through something very stressful - should sacrifice ANY CHANCE OF HAVING FUN because it MIGHT inconvenience you a bit. And then you claim they're selfish for wanting to have something to distract them during this time.

SmokedAlmondsMay 14, 20151 votes

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Yep. You're a sickening individual with no concern for others who considers his chance of victory and his GAME to be so important that he'd rather deny others any chance of fun at all than have to put up with the slight chance he might be put at a disadvantage for the occasional game. Got it. Done with you. There's no redeeming this attitude. It's why I quit the game, I can't support Riot ENCOURAGING this type of disgusting behaviour.

The ULTIMATE selfishness is what you're displaying. You're saying this individual - who is already going through something very stressful - should sacrifice ANY CHANCE OF HAVING FUN because it MIGHT inconvenience you a bit. And then you claim they're selfish for wanting to have something to distract them during this time.

How am I the selfish one in this situation?

You have 1 guy who is wasting 9 peoples time. They are being selfish, they are putting their own time above 9 others, that isn't an opinion, that is the definition of selfish.

If you want to argue that it's not that big of a deal or something I could see that, but I don't know how you can say that isn't being selfish.

This isn't me vs a guy who afked 1 time. This is the community vs people who leave frequently.

EleshakaiMay 14, 20151 votes

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How am I the selfish one in this situation?

You have 1 guy who is wasting 9 peoples time. They are being selfish, they are putting their own time above 9 others, that isn't an opinion, that is the definition of selfish.

If you want to argue that it's not that big of a deal or something I could see that, but I don't know how you can say that isn't being selfish.

This isn't me vs a guy who afked 1 time. This is the community vs people who leave frequently.

It isn't. Because LEAVING SHOULDN'T BE WASTING YOUR TIME. You are STILL PLAYING THE GAMe. They're not FORCING YOU TO SIT THERE DOING NOTHING FOR AN HOUR. You are STILL playing the game, jsut in a bit more of a challenging situation.

If you don't enjoy playing the game, it's your own damn fault for choosing to play it. But that person not being there is just an excuse for you to let your real opinion slip out: you don't REALLY enjoy the game. Stop lying to yourself and admit it. If you really enjoyed the game, that person being there WOULDN'T MATTER to you. You'd just have fun playing it.

The realtiy is you chose to waste your time when you chose to play a video game. I love gaming - hell, I recently took up streaming and I used to be a HUGE raider in WoW(one of the first 10 kills on the original Nef, for example), but I acknowledge that every minute I spend and every minute I spent there is a waste of my time. It is time I chose to waste in pursuit of fun, but it is STILL time wasted. How it is wasted is no different regardless of the situation in the game I play. When I play something like Skyrim that is incredibly boring, sure... it feels worse - but it was still my choice to waste my time playing it, so I don't get upset at Bethesda for releasing such a crappy game. But if I am playing somethign I enjoy, every minute I waste is WORTH being wasted. And I am glad I was able to do so. But it was still wasted.

So no. That person leaving doesn't 'waste 9 peoples time' because THEY CHOSE TO WASTE THEIR TIME BY PLAYING. Just like you and I choose to waste our time by writing on these forums. And I choose to waste my time by streaming. It's all time wasted. No time wasted is more valuable than any other time wasted. It's all wasted. Some mgiht be more enjoyable than others... but if you made the choice to play something that you don't really enjoy - something that can be so easily 'ruined' for you as by someone having an emergency... then it is your own fault for doing something you don't really enjoy.

SmokedAlmondsMay 14, 20151 votes

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It isn't. Because LEAVING SHOULDN'T BE WASTING YOUR TIME. You are STILL PLAYING THE GAMe. They're not FORCING YOU TO SIT THERE DOING NOTHING FOR AN HOUR. You are STILL playing the game, jsut in a bit more of a challenging situation.

If you don't enjoy playing the game, it's your own damn fault for choosing to play it. But that person not being there is just an excuse for you to let your real opinion slip out: you don't REALLY enjoy the game. Stop lying to yourself and admit it. If you really enjoyed the game, that person being there WOULDN'T MATTER to you. You'd just have fun playing it.

The realtiy is you chose to waste your time when you chose to play a video game. I love gaming - hell, I recently took up streaming and I used to be a HUGE raider in WoW(one of the first 10 kills on the original Nef, for example), but I acknowledge that every minute I spend and every minute I spent there is a waste of my time. It is time I chose to waste in pursuit of fun, but it is STILL time wasted. How it is wasted is no different regardless of the situation in the game I play. When I play something like Skyrim that is incredibly boring, sure... it feels worse - but it was still my choice to waste my time playing it, so I don't get upset at Bethesda for releasing such a crappy game. But if I am playing somethign I enjoy, every minute I waste is WORTH being wasted. And I am glad I was able to do so. But it was still wasted.

So no. That person leaving doesn't 'waste 9 peoples time' because THEY CHOSE TO WASTE THEIR TIME BY PLAYING. Just like you and I choose to waste our time by writing on these forums. And I choose to waste my time by streaming. It's all time wasted. No time wasted is more valuable than any other time wasted. It's all wasted. Some mgiht be more enjoyable than others... but if you made the choice to play something that you don't really enjoy - something that can be so easily 'ruined' for you as by someone having an emergency... then it is your own fault for doing something you don't really enjoy.

time you enjoy wasting, isn't wasted.

If you want to enjoy playing out a 4v5 that's on you. I don't, and in my experience neither do most people.

I enjoy playing this game, this game is played 5v5. As far as I'm concerned the game ends when someone leaves and there is no more enjoyment to be had.

again, this isn't about me vs some guy who left a game I was in. This is about people who frequently leave or knowingly queue up knowing they have computer/connection problems just hoping they don't impact their game.

EleshakaiMay 14, 20151 votes

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time you enjoy wasting, isn't wasted.

If you want to enjoy playing out a 4v5 that's on you. I don't, and in my experience neither do most people.

I enjoy playing this game, this game is played 5v5. As far as I'm concerned the game ends when someone leaves and there is no more enjoyment to be had.

again, this isn't about me vs some guy who left a game I was in. This is about people who frequently leave or knowingly queue up knowing they have computer/connection problems just hoping they don't impact their game.

If you let it impact you, you have problems. No offense, but its true. You're letting it bother you, you're giving up an opportunity to improve, to have fun overcoming a challenge, etc.

It's your fault, nobody else's. You are making a decision that is making you not have fun. Just like if someone sucks, you make the decision to let that bother you, or if the enemy team is stomping you, you choose to let that bother you as well.

Your choice. Entirely.

And it's indicative of an unhealthy mindset.

Nevermind, not replying again. This is one timewaste I am going to choose NOT to continue. Have a good day, hopefully someday you stop being so egocentric.

SmokedAlmondsMay 14, 20151 votes

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If you let it impact you, you have problems. No offense, but its true. You're letting it bother you, you're giving up an opportunity to improve, to have fun overcoming a challenge, etc.

It's your fault, nobody else's. You are making a decision that is making you not have fun. Just like if someone sucks, you make the decision to let that bother you, or if the enemy team is stomping you, you choose to let that bother you as well.

Your choice. Entirely.

And it's indicative of an unhealthy mindset.

Nevermind, not replying again. This is one timewaste I am going to choose NOT to continue. Have a good day, hopefully someday you stop being so egocentric.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree that not enjoying uneven games being my problem. But, it seems obvious that it is not just my problem but rather most peoples problem. So it really is everyones problem because its something riot has to do something about.

I'll admit though that your hyperbolic disgust over this is mildly amusing. I've never seen someone so adamantly on that side of afk topic before.

EleshakaiMay 14, 20151 votes

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I wouldn't necessarily disagree that not enjoying uneven games being my problem. But, it seems obvious that it is not just my problem but rather most peoples problem. So it really is everyones problem because its something riot has to do something about.

I'll admit though that your hyperbolic disgust over this is mildly amusing. I've never seen someone so adamantly on that side of afk topic before.

Okay you baited me, but I wanted to clarify. I'm not on that side of the 'afk topic' I'm on that side of the 'all afks are equivalent' topic. I am in favour of punishing people who leave in a disrespectful way(ragequit/afk for no reason/etc.). But people who leave due to circumstances beyond their control should not be punished. It wasn't their choice to leave. People should be punished due to intent, not accident. Even accidental death isn't punished the same as intentional.

SmokedAlmondsMay 14, 20151 votes

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Okay you baited me, but I wanted to clarify. I'm not on that side of the 'afk topic' I'm on that side of the 'all afks are equivalent' topic. I am in favour of punishing people who leave in a disrespectful way(ragequit/afk for no reason/etc.). But people who leave due to circumstances beyond their control should not be punished. It wasn't their choice to leave. People should be punished due to intent, not accident. Even accidental death isn't punished the same as intentional.

I don't really disagree with that. But at some point you are just being reckless by queuing. Like my previous example of having a baby. that isn't a circumstance out of your control. That is just a matter of time. Lightning striking your house and knocking out your power is out of your control. Queuing when you are responsible for a baby that can and will wake up at some point is not.

Maybe to say a game is instantly ruined or wasted for everyone when there is an afk is an overstatement for some people. But I think pretty much everyone agrees afks make the game worse. It is negative, the only thing really in question is how negative you view it. There isn't like a bunch of people forming a petition for a 4v5 mode cause they love it so much.

My point is that if you are leaving, or DCing enough to get a punishment you need to change something. Maybe you need to clean up your PC. Maybe you need to get in touch with your ISP. w/e. Maybe you just need to spend an extra 3 seconds before you play to consider if you really have enough time to play a game. But SOMETHING needs to be changed otherwise you are just going to be continuing to diminish the experience of a lot of players.

EleshakaiMay 14, 20151 votes

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I don't really disagree with that. But at some point you are just being reckless by queuing. Like my previous example of having a baby. that isn't a circumstance out of your control. That is just a matter of time. Lightning striking your house and knocking out your power is out of your control. Queuing when you are responsible for a baby that can and will wake up at some point is not.

Maybe to say a game is instantly ruined or wasted for everyone when there is an afk is an overstatement for some people. But I think pretty much everyone agrees afks make the game worse. It is negative, the only thing really in question is how negative you view it. There isn't like a bunch of people forming a petition for a 4v5 mode cause they love it so much.

My point is that if you are leaving, or DCing enough to get a punishment you need to change something. Maybe you need to clean up your PC. Maybe you need to get in touch with your ISP. w/e. Maybe you just need to spend an extra 3 seconds before you play to consider if you really have enough time to play a game. But SOMETHING needs to be changed otherwise you are just going to be continuing to diminish the experience of a lot of players.

Except that isn't what you're saying.

What you're saying is this: "If your life and situation isn't 100% ideal for playing League of Legends, quit the game entirely. I don't care what your situation is, if it might inconvenience me, you should quit."

And I'm saying that's a horrible mindset. Simple.

It's not irresponsible to play a video game while you wait for your kid to wake up. You DESERVE to have a break. You have a fairly stressful life. Taking care of a small child is NOT EASY. What you're basically saying is that if a person has a kid, they should just stop playing LoL entirely. That's unbearably selfish. And you're claiming it is selfish of them to want to be able to spend the hour while their kid naps having fun. HOW DARE THEY! What a horrible person they are, wanting to enjoy themselves for an hour while their kid sleeps. What a horrible, selfish person. Pathetic, really.

It's fucking horrible. It is why I consider you to be a reprehensible individual. Because you don't see anything wrong with the statement of "If you have a small child, you shouldn't spend the time they're napping playing your favourite game to unwind" or "If you live in a community that has an unstable power grid, you don't deserve to play League of Legends" or "if you have a relative with an illness who may need your assistance, quit the game" or any other number of situations that could elad to LoL being someone's primary stress relief but who might need to leave the game.

Horrific.

SmokedAlmondsMay 14, 20151 votes

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Except that isn't what you're saying.

What you're saying is this: "If your life and situation isn't 100% ideal for playing League of Legends, quit the game entirely. I don't care what your situation is, if it might inconvenience me, you should quit."

And I'm saying that's a horrible mindset. Simple.

It's not irresponsible to play a video game while you wait for your kid to wake up. You DESERVE to have a break. You have a fairly stressful life. Taking care of a small child is NOT EASY. What you're basically saying is that if a person has a kid, they should just stop playing LoL entirely. That's unbearably selfish. And you're claiming it is selfish of them to want to be able to spend the hour while their kid naps having fun. HOW DARE THEY! What a horrible person they are, wanting to enjoy themselves for an hour while their kid sleeps. What a horrible, selfish person. Pathetic, really.

It absolutely is selfish to spend that time knowing there is a good chance that you are going to negatively impact 9 people. Ok, having a kid is hard and stressful ect. Everyone has their own stuff. What if that game they have to leave to take care of their baby is someone elses only chance to play that day or week. Now they just lost the 1 game they were going to get to enjoy to something that had nothing to do with them. You are literally defining selfish. A Person with kid wants to enjoy them selves and doesn't care if that they are going to negatively impact others when they inevitably have to leave games.

It's fucking horrible. It is why I consider you to be a reprehensible individual. Because you don't see anything wrong with the statement of "If you have a small child, you shouldn't spend the time they're napping playing your favourite game to unwind" or "If you live in a community that has an unstable power grid, you don't deserve to play League of Legends" or "if you have a relative with an illness who may need your assistance, quit the game" or any other number of situations that could elad to LoL being someone's primary stress relief but who might need to leave the game.

Horrific.

All of those situations they shouldn't play league of legends. They wouldn't meet the minimum requirements to play the game which includes the ability to reasonable guarantee an hourish of uninterrupted time. It's unfortunate for them but w/e situation they are in is their own problem it is not fair to the rest of the players to make it their problem. If everyone treated the game like this there would almost never be 5v5 games from start to finish.

EleshakaiMay 14, 20151 votes

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It absolutely is selfish to spend that time knowing there is a good chance that you are going to negatively impact 9 people. Ok, having a kid is hard and stressful ect. Everyone has their own stuff. What if that game they have to leave to take care of their baby is someone elses only chance to play that day or week. Now they just lost the 1 game they were going to get to enjoy to something that had nothing to do with them. You are literally defining selfish. A Person with kid wants to enjoy them selves and doesn't care if that they are going to negatively impact others when they inevitably have to leave games.

All of those situations they shouldn't play league of legends. They wouldn't meet the minimum requirements to play the game which includes the ability to reasonable guarantee an hourish of uninterrupted time. It's unfortunate for them but w/e situation they are in is their own problem it is not fair to the rest of the players to make it their problem. If everyone treated the game like this there would almost never be 5v5 games from start to finish.

I can't believe you can say that with a straight face. Well, i guess I've been wrong the whole time... there actually ARE individuals who are completely hopeless. Damn.

SmokedAlmondsMay 14, 20151 votes

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I can't believe you can say that with a straight face. Well, i guess I've been wrong the whole time... there actually ARE individuals who are completely hopeless. Damn.

its easy. There are 10 people, 1 of them is causing problems for the other 9.

You want to tell the 9 to suck it up. I want to tell the 1 to consider the other 9.

EleshakaiMay 15, 20151 votes

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its easy. There are 10 people, 1 of them is causing problems for the other 9.

You want to tell the 9 to suck it up. I want to tell the 1 to consider the other 9.

No, it's easy: I think that one person being forced to completely give up their pastime is far more severe than an incredibly minor inconvenience to 9 other people(and it IS incredibly minor, no matter how you spin it... at WORST it's ~20 minutes of you having slightly less fun than otherwise). I think it is absurdly selfish to weigh your minor inconvenience as greater than his giving up what might be his favourite pastime.

I think you're a reprehensible and absurdly selfish human being who has been spoiled rotten by a society that hasn't taught you respect and has let you weigh this game at such an absurd level that you value it above others.

And it is people like you who have made me abandon my former assertions that this community isn't so bad... because the community is apparently FULL of brats like you. I won't thank you for proving me wrong because I wish you hadn't... but I will never again defend the LoL community. Because it is full of enough people like you who think that this game is so important that them being inconvenienced is such a severe crime that they should deny someone access to the game over it. MOBA Communities really ARE the worst cesspools humanity has to offer.

SmokedAlmondsMay 15, 20151 votes

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No, it's easy: I think that one person being forced to completely give up their pastime is far more severe than an incredibly minor inconvenience to 9 other people(and it IS incredibly minor, no matter how you spin it... at WORST it's ~20 minutes of you having slightly less fun than otherwise). I think it is absurdly selfish to weigh your minor inconvenience as greater than his giving up what might be his favourite pastime.

I think you're a reprehensible and absurdly selfish human being who has been spoiled rotten by a society that hasn't taught you respect and has let you weigh this game at such an absurd level that you value it above others.

And it is people like you who have made me abandon my former assertions that this community isn't so bad... because the community is apparently FULL of brats like you. I won't thank you for proving me wrong because I wish you hadn't... but I will never again defend the LoL community. Because it is full of enough people like you who think that this game is so important that them being inconvenienced is such a severe crime that they should deny someone access to the game over it. MOBA Communities really ARE the worst cesspools humanity has to offer.

You cant have it both ways. It cant be a minor inconvenience for the 9 players to be unable to play a real game while being reprehensible to even suggest that the person causing the problem should be unable to play. Its also a lot more than 9. I am talking about chronic afkers not someone who left a single game.

To the rest, I dunno what you are on about. The fact the you would be have such feelings about someones differing opinion of chronic afkers is almost amusing.

EleshakaiMay 15, 20151 votes

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You cant have it both ways. It cant be a minor inconvenience for the 9 players to be unable to play a real game while being reprehensible to even suggest that the person causing the problem should be unable to play. Its also a lot more than 9. I am talking about chronic afkers not someone who left a single game.

To the rest, I dunno what you are on about. The fact the you would be have such feelings about someones differing opinion of chronic afkers is almost amusing.

This person leaving the game doesn't deny you the ability to play it. There is no factual difference between a 4v5 and a 5v5 in terms of actual gameplay. You can perform EVERY action that is a part of the game AND it is even still possible to win.

The only difference is a subjective 'I find it more fun', that's not 'denying you the ability to play the game' at all. You are trying to DENY the ability for ANYONE who has any form of adverse situation from playing the game AT ALL. That is a completely different magnitude, and the fact that you don't see it is why I find you reprehensible and selfish beyond all reckoning.

SmokedAlmondsMay 16, 20151 votes

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This person leaving the game doesn't deny you the ability to play it. There is no factual difference between a 4v5 and a 5v5 in terms of actual gameplay. You can perform EVERY action that is a part of the game AND it is even still possible to win.

The only difference is a subjective 'I find it more fun', that's not 'denying you the ability to play the game' at all. You are trying to DENY the ability for ANYONE who has any form of adverse situation from playing the game AT ALL. That is a completely different magnitude, and the fact that you don't see it is why I find you reprehensible and selfish beyond all reckoning.

it denies me the 5v5 game that I chose to play. Whether or not I should like playing a 4v5 is irrelevant.

I'm telling them they don't meet the minimum requirements to play this game, which they don't.

To put it another way. I spend a significant amount of time, effort, and money to make sure that I can reliably play this game. I do this because I respect the game and its players and while I don't hold everyone to the high standard I hold myself to, I do expect a minimal amount of effort and consideration from other players.

EleshakaiMay 16, 20151 votes

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it denies me the 5v5 game that I chose to play. Whether or not I should like playing a 4v5 is irrelevant.

I'm telling them they don't meet the minimum requirements to play this game, which they don't.

To put it another way. I spend a significant amount of time, effort, and money to make sure that I can reliably play this game. I do this because I respect the game and its players and while I don't hold everyone to the high standard I hold myself to, I do expect a minimal amount of effort and consideration from other players.

which is exactly what I was saying. You're obsessed and you expect everyone to be.

SmokedAlmondsMay 17, 20151 votes

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which is exactly what I was saying. You're obsessed and you expect everyone to be.

I don't consider myself obsessed at all, but either way I definitely don't hold everyone else to my own standards.

I have around 1 leave per 500 games. Maybe slightly more if you count short DC's and reconnects like I'm pretty sure leaverbuster does. I would say about 1 in 100 is acceptable.

This isn't just my view, its pretty close to riots actual policies. I don't know what their exact guideline for percentage of games left but its at least in the ballpark of what I think. Riot is just a little less blunt about it most of the time for obvious reasons.

EleshakaiMay 17, 20151 votes

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I don't consider myself obsessed at all, but either way I definitely don't hold everyone else to my own standards.

I have around 1 leave per 500 games. Maybe slightly more if you count short DC's and reconnects like I'm pretty sure leaverbuster does. I would say about 1 in 100 is acceptable.

This isn't just my view, its pretty close to riots actual policies. I don't know what their exact guideline for percentage of games left but its at least in the ballpark of what I think. Riot is just a little less blunt about it most of the time for obvious reasons.

Of course Riot wants people to be obsessed. Obsessed people spend more money.

You are absolutely obsessed. If you treat a video game with NO CONSEQUENCES WHATSOEVER to be so important of a commitment that a person leaving is a detriment to your experience and something they should be punished for, you're obsessed. If you cannot treat the game as being a pastime and not assign real-life level relevance to it(which is what you're doing right now), then you're obsessed. Sorry buddy, but if the shoe fits...

This is all so horrendously unhealthy of an attitude, and Riot is encouraging it so blatantly... it's ridiculous. I get it, it's good for their revenue if people are this obsessed... but man, it's not really ethical to encourage a bad habit like this.

Gaming is a hobby, nothing more. It is NOT a commitment, it's a source of entertainment(unless you're on an organized team and actually taking it seriously - at which point It becomes a team sport and a commitment, but that's a different story and doesn't apply to this since organized teams will punish delinquent members on their own). You're treating it like a job. That's obsession, and it's unhealthy.

SmokedAlmondsMay 17, 20151 votes

Queuing is a commitment of about an hour of time. If you cant reliably commit an hour of uninterrupted time then you simply don't meet the minimum requirements to play the game.

Someone leaving diminishes everyone elses experience. I might consider it worse than some maybe even most but no one wants to be in a 4v5.

It is a hobby, but its not a solo hobby. What you do effects other people. Just because its a game or a hobby doesn't mean it doesn't require minimal commitments to participate.

I'm not here raging. I don't think people who leave a game are evil people who deserve to die(which is what your responses suggest you think). I just think its disrespectful to queue without being reasonably certain you can play the whole game.

Alternative to the punishments I would be fine if they wanna just throw people who leave a lot in their own "leavers queue" where they can play with other people who think its fine to leave.

EleshakaiMay 17, 20151 votes

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Queuing is a commitment of about an hour of time. If you cant reliably commit an hour of uninterrupted time then you simply don't meet the minimum requirements to play the game.

Someone leaving diminishes everyone elses experience. I might consider it worse than some maybe even most but no one wants to be in a 4v5.

It is a hobby, but its not a solo hobby. What you do effects other people. Just because its a game or a hobby doesn't mean it doesn't require minimal commitments to participate.

I'm not here raging. I don't think people who leave a game are evil people who deserve to die(which is what your responses suggest you think). I just think its disrespectful to queue without being reasonably certain you can play the whole game.

Alternative to the punishments I would be fine if they wanna just throw people who leave a lot in their own "leavers queue" where they can play with other people who think its fine to leave.

No... queuing is deciding you want to have some fun playing League of Legends. joining a team is a commitment.

Yep, you're obsessed. Every word you're saying is just proving it more and more. No, I don't think you want them to die, but I think you wouldn't give a shit if someone who had a stressful and unpredictable life were driven to suicide by losing their favourite pastime, because it'd be one less leaver to ruin your games. There's a difference between wanting people to die and simply NOT GIVING A SHIT about people. You are the latter. The game is more important to you than people. Your experience is more important than them having a fun pastime. You really just don't care who is hurt by your desire for a '5v5 game' and your absurd obsession with this game.

You're Riot's ideal customer: You are obsessed with the game, and you don't care who you have to step on to get your 'ideal gaming experience' with the game, because people don't matter. Only the game does.

But of course, you're going to deny this because you're not only obsessed, but you're also in DENIAL of this obsession. And that's the saddest part.

Edit: here are a few examples of the types of people you think 'don't deserve to play League of Legends':

Volunteer Firefighters. They're always on call. They could have to leave at any moment. But nope, these people - despite saving lives - don't DESERVE to play League of Legends. Any type of doctor working at a hospital(surgeon/etc.). Again, they're almost always on call. In case of a REAL emergency, most hospitals can and will call in any doctor that is needed. Saving lives, doesn't deserve to play LoL. Because you MIGHT have to ruin one of SmokedAlmonds games to go save a life. Caregivers to elderly or severely ill people. They're usually on call as well. Sorry, you've decided to devote your life to helping people, so you don't DESERVE to play LoL. SmokedAlmonds says so. You're just not worthy. (not to mention parents of small children, husbands/wives with spouses that have any sort of severe illness, children whose parents don't have good health, etc. etc. etc.)

Yep, you're a real good individual denying these horrible people League of Legends. Good for you. Fighting the good fight!

SmokedAlmondsMay 17, 20151 votes

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No... queuing is deciding you want to have some fun playing League of Legends. joining a team is a commitment.

Yep, you're obsessed. Every word you're saying is just proving it more and more. No, I don't think you want them to die, but I think you wouldn't give a shit if someone who had a stressful and unpredictable life were driven to suicide by losing their favourite pastime, because it'd be one less leaver to ruin your games. There's a difference between wanting people to die and simply NOT GIVING A SHIT about people. You are the latter. The game is more important to you than people. Your experience is more important than them having a fun pastime. You really just don't care who is hurt by your desire for a '5v5 game' and your absurd obsession with this game.

You're Riot's ideal customer: You are obsessed with the game, and you don't care who you have to step on to get your 'ideal gaming experience' with the game, because people don't matter. Only the game does.

But of course, you're going to deny this because you're not only obsessed, but you're also in DENIAL of this obsession. And that's the saddest part.

Edit: here are a few examples of the types of people you think 'don't deserve to play League of Legends':

Volunteer Firefighters. They're always on call. They could have to leave at any moment. But nope, these people - despite saving lives - don't DESERVE to play League of Legends. Any type of doctor working at a hospital(surgeon/etc.). Again, they're almost always on call. In case of a REAL emergency, most hospitals can and will call in any doctor that is needed. Saving lives, doesn't deserve to play LoL. Because you MIGHT have to ruin one of SmokedAlmonds games to go save a life. Caregivers to elderly or severely ill people. They're usually on call as well. Sorry, you've decided to devote your life to helping people, so you don't DESERVE to play LoL. SmokedAlmonds says so. You're just not worthy. (not to mention parents of small children, husbands/wives with spouses that have any sort of severe illness, children whose parents don't have good health, etc. etc. etc.)

Yep, you're a real good individual denying these horrible people League of Legends. Good for you. Fighting the good fight!

You are so far off base its hilarious. I would absolutely care if they killed themselves. But you are to focused on individuals. There are million of people who play this game and you have to interact with a lot of them to play this game. The game isn't more important than people, the 9 people are just more important than the 1.

It has nothing to do with deserving to play the game or not. It has to do with having the ability to play without negatively effecting other people. Ragers and trolls don't deserve to play this game. People who can't put an uninterrupted hour of time together simply don't meet the minimum requirements to play. In fact I have had to care for my uncle who had a stroke and the medication he was on shortly after was triggering some very severe ptsd. You know what I don't do at times when im responsible for him? queue for league.

For some reason you have read my strong feelings about a topic and draw the incorrect conclusion that im obsessed. There are certainly times ive been obsessed with games. WoW in particular. In my earlier days of league it would have also been pretty accurate. But not now, not even close. I've averaged like 1 aram game a day for the last couple weeks. I have only 1 summoners rift game since mastery came out and It was probably several weeks before my last one before that. This has nothing to do with obsession.

EleshakaiMay 17, 20151 votes

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You are so far off base its hilarious. I would absolutely care if they killed themselves. But you are to focused on individuals. There are million of people who play this game and you have to interact with a lot of them to play this game. The game isn't more important than people, the 9 people are just more important than the 1.

It has nothing to do with deserving to play the game or not. It has to do with having the ability to play without negatively effecting other people. Ragers and trolls don't deserve to play this game. People who can't put an uninterrupted hour of time together simply don't meet the minimum requirements to play. In fact I have had to care for my uncle who had a stroke and the medication he was on shortly after was triggering some very severe ptsd. You know what I don't do at times when im responsible for him? queue for league.

For some reason you have read my strong feelings about a topic and draw the incorrect conclusion that im obsessed. There are certainly times ive been obsessed with games. WoW in particular. In my earlier days of league it would have also been pretty accurate. But not now, not even close. I've averaged like 1 aram game a day for the last couple weeks. I have only 1 summoners rift game since mastery came out and It was probably several weeks before my last one before that. This has nothing to do with obsession.

Minimum requirements for LoL:

2 GHz processor 1 GB RAM (Windows Vista and 7 users will want 2 GB of RAM or more) 8 GB available hard disk space Shader version 2.0 capable video card Support for DirectX v9.0c or better Windows XP (Service Pack 2 or 3 ONLY), Windows Vista, Windows 7, or Windows 8

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752654-Minimum-and-Recommended-System-Requirements

Time doesn't seem to be listed. Stop making up minimum requirements to suit your needs. It's another sign you're obsessed. Obsession doesn't mean playing all the time, it means that you award it far more importance than it actual deserves in your life.

SmokedAlmondsMay 17, 20151 votes

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Minimum requirements for LoL:

2 GHz processor 1 GB RAM (Windows Vista and 7 users will want 2 GB of RAM or more) 8 GB available hard disk space Shader version 2.0 capable video card Support for DirectX v9.0c or better Windows XP (Service Pack 2 or 3 ONLY), Windows Vista, Windows 7, or Windows 8

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752654-Minimum-and-Recommended-System-Requirements

Time doesn't seem to be listed. Stop making up minimum requirements to suit your needs. It's another sign you're obsessed. Obsession doesn't mean playing all the time, it means that you award it far more importance than it actual deserves in your life.

Those are just the minimum specs required to physically run the software at an acceptable level. Not everything that is required to play.

I don't put all that much importance on the game at all. When I have responsibilities that prevent me from being sure I can complete a game I just don't play and it isn't a big deal. You are simply wrong.

EleshakaiMay 17, 20151 votes

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Those are just the minimum specs required to physically run the software at an acceptable level. Not everything that is required to play.

I don't put all that much importance on the game at all. When I have responsibilities that prevent me from being sure I can complete a game I just don't play and it isn't a big deal. You are simply wrong.

If you didn't put importance on it, it wouldn't bother you if someone left.

You're simply in denial.

Again: You weigh 9 people's INCREDIBLY MINOR INCONVENIENCE over 1 person's GIVING UP THEIR HOBBY ENTIRELY FOR LIFE.

That's a pretty big gap in importance. Sorry, I don't see how that could even be argued. But you manage. Because you're in denial. And you don't give a shit about people, just the game.

SmokedAlmondsMay 17, 20151 votes

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If you didn't put importance on it, it wouldn't bother you if someone left.

You're simply in denial.

Again: You weigh 9 people's INCREDIBLY MINOR INCONVENIENCE over 1 person's GIVING UP THEIR HOBBY ENTIRELY FOR LIFE.

That's a pretty big gap in importance. Sorry, I don't see how that could even be argued. But you manage. Because you're in denial. And you don't give a shit about people, just the game.

I care abut the overwhelming majority. You have 1 guy who is responsible for the issue vs everyone else who did nothing wrong. I don't even disagree that it is worse for the person who can't play because they don't have time than it would be for the people who had some leave.

It's not about even about this game at all. If someone invented a new game that I was only going to play once ever I would feel exactly the same about anyone who agreed to play and quit.

It's your opinion that it's incredibly minor. I could just as easily say giving up a video game is incredibly minor. I mean who cares it's just a game right? Should be no problem to give it up.

It's still not about the game though and until you can grasp that you will never understand my position.

EleshakaiMay 17, 20151 votes

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I care abut the overwhelming majority. You have 1 guy who is responsible for the issue vs everyone else who did nothing wrong. I don't even disagree that it is worse for the person who can't play because they don't have time than it would be for the people who had some leave.

It's not about even about this game at all. If someone invented a new game that I was only going to play once ever I would feel exactly the same about anyone who agreed to play and quit.

It's your opinion that it's incredibly minor. I could just as easily say giving up a video game is incredibly minor. I mean who cares it's just a game right? Should be no problem to give it up.

It's still not about the game though and until you can grasp that you will never understand my position.

The greatest possible impact a leaver can have on you is a single loss. If anyone tries to argue that a SINGLE LOSS is anything but minor... they're obsessed.

Now, for a person who has a stressful life... their entertainment, their stress relief in their downtime... that can mean the difference between a mental breakdown and coping.

But it's not about the game, it's about the fact that you have no sense of scale. Your 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' focus is out of proportion.

If I said 'We can either cost 1 person every penny that they have or we can cost everyone in the city one dollar'... would you say 'well, the one guy doesn't matter, everyone else is losing with the latter... so the former is the clear choice!'

The expression 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' is only appropriate when scale is considered. And you're NOT considering scale here. It's that simple. You're AUTOMATICALLY taking the side of the many, without taking into account the fact that what the MANY are being inflicted with is so incredibly minor when the individual is sacrificing something far more significant. And you're refusing to ACKNOWLEDGE that what is being given up - AT MOST A SINGLE GAME - is incredibly minor. Which is why I call you obsessed.

SmokedAlmondsMay 17, 20151 votes

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The greatest possible impact a leaver can have on you is a single loss. If anyone tries to argue that a SINGLE LOSS is anything but minor... they're obsessed.

I dont personally care about the stats loss at all. I care about my time I had to spend not playing 5v5. My opinion of afks is exactly the same even if they are on the enemy team and give me a free win.

Now, for a person who has a stressful life... their entertainment, their stress relief in their downtime... that can mean the difference between a mental breakdown and coping.

Everyone has their own shit to deal with. Ya all those things are true, but theres more than just the 1 guy. What happens when his leave interupts the only game some other stressed out person was going to be able to play?

But it's not about the game, it's about the fact that you have no sense of scale. Your 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' focus is out of proportion.

If I said 'We can either cost 1 person every penny that they have or we can cost everyone in the city one dollar'... would you say 'well, the one guy doesn't matter, everyone else is losing with the latter... so the former is the clear choice!'

The expression 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' is only appropriate when scale is considered. And you're NOT considering scale here. It's that simple. You're AUTOMATICALLY taking the side of the many, without taking into account the fact that what the MANY are being inflicted with is so incredibly minor when the individual is sacrificing something far more significant. And you're refusing to ACKNOWLEDGE that what is being given up - AT MOST A SINGLE GAME - is incredibly minor. Which is why I call you obsessed.

I do mostly agree with this. Except in this case it is just what a larger group wants, the 1 is the source of the problem. So no the scale is not important to me because the person that would be most effected is responsible for the problem so it doesn't matter that the others down sides aren't as bad. Even if everyone considered it a minor issue(which they don't) my response would be the same. and again, it is only minor to you, not to everyone.

This isn't choosing some unsuspecting player at random and sacrificing them to the internet gods so everyone else can have complete games. Its the person being most effected being the source of the problem. Everyone has their own stresses and problems, it is not right to let them effect others if it can be helped.

EleshakaiMay 18, 20151 votes

It's minor to anyone not obsessed in an unhealthy way with the game.

The problem is Riot is encouraging unhealthy mindsets like yours.

SmokedAlmondsMay 18, 20151 votes

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It's minor to anyone not obsessed in an unhealthy way with the game.

The problem is Riot is encouraging unhealthy mindsets like yours.

It's still not about the game so even if I am considered obsessed its not relevant.

Its about respecting other people's time.

EleshakaiMay 18, 20151 votes

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It's still not about the game so even if I am considered obsessed its not relevant.

Its about respecting other people's time.

Someone leaving has no impact on your time. At all. You are still spending the exact same time playing LoL. Well, maybre a bit less, since your team will likely surrender, so the person is SAVING you time possibly.

It is your choice to be bothered by them leaving, since they have no actual REAL impact on the game. It is only a matter of PERCEPTION that it affects it, and nobody can control another person's perception, so I don't see any reason in holding people responsible for another's deciding to let something negatively affect them.

If you choose to let something I do or say bother you, I am not going to feel responsible for that. If I do something that has a real factual impact on you, then absolutely... like if I were to ddos you and force you to disconnect. That is me having a real impact on you directly, since I caused YOU to have problems. But me leaving a game... the game continues, you can still play, you can still win... there's no actual real difference. The only difference is your perception. And since I have no control over that, I won't let myself take responsibility for your choice to let it bother you.