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Riot pls. This new system of your is r%%%%%ed. You've RUINED 14 games for 126 players+me

Silient··3 votes·2,184 views

I was a jerk in a couple games. Nothing huge, but I was flaming my team. (I do feel your new system is overzealous in this regard, but that is beside the point.) I don't play normals. I was pissed off to learn I have to play 14 of them. My MMR is normals is apparrently not the same as my ranked. Infact its off by about a thousand? No one had fun in these games. no one. A few people made jokes, but this isn't funny. This is stupid, and your system shouldn't allow it. The one diana game is an anomoly. Explained later When you take a look at my match history below, keep in mind I didn't put any special effort into any of them. I pretty much just mashed keys and killed things. My team afked in some of them. My team fed hard in most of them. It didn't make any difference at all. Riot pls. This is 126 players game experience RUINED. and quite frankly, these games are boring.

On another note. I have a chat restriction for like 36 games. Holy crap. I cant talk in champ select or post game lobby either. Just says connecting. Is that related? It caused that one diana loss. I couldn't see chat, picked diana mid. Afterwards someone pissed that I took something that they called locks in annie, and Q's every single minion in my lane. solo adc ragequits. fun times. couldn't do anything that game lol.

http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/Silient/matches http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/34329314

34 Comments

Rustling Bush5 votes

"I was a jerk in a couple games. Nothing huge, but I was flaming my team. " your mmr is something you ruin on your own, want it fixed? stop dying so much and maybe you'd be able to win.

Silient1 votes

My normal MMR is low from days back when I was level 29. When I hit 30 I stopped playing normals. I'm not complaining about my ranked mmr. Did you look at my match history?

Rustling Bush3 votes

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My normal MMR is low from days back when I was level 29. When I hit 30 I stopped playing normals. I'm not complaining about my ranked mmr. Did you look at my match history?

i am and all i'm seeing is large amount of deaths and little assist, understandably everyone has bad games, but from what i'm staring at, its seems relatively constant. if you had 14 games ruined, don't entirely blame it solely on your low mmr or those people, blame yourself for not being able to carry your own games, if your getting pair up with low elo people, then your also most likely getting paired vs low elo people in normals.

Silient1 votes

dude. theres a 39/7 and a 33/3 in there. And they aren't even weird.

I went on a losing spree and got pissed off, that's how I ended up restricted. I'm talking about the normals

Eleshakai2 votes

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dude. theres a 39/7 and a 33/3 in there. And they aren't even weird.

I went on a losing spree and got pissed off, that's how I ended up restricted. I'm talking about the normals

be aware that players not on your friends list usually only see ranked when they look at your match history. So most of us can't see your normal games.

Silient1 votes

Click Lolskill then.

Eleshakai1 votes

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Click Lolskill then.

No thanks, their security is pretty bad. I'd prefer not to have to worry about the viruses they unwittingly distribute from time to time, but you're welcome to use them.

Silient1 votes

Okay then. You could always check in client. normals show there.

Silient1 votes

or this. http://i59.tinypic.com/rw1mk7.png

Drackolus4 votes

I got punished for my behavior and I don't like it. I'm gonna mention some other people that could conceivably have suffered so that I look like the good guy, and not mention the other half of the players in the game that got ahead, because that would show that I'm really just mad that I have to suffer the consequences for my actions. Also, I learned absolutely nothing from this experience and will absolutely need to have more punishments later.

Silient1 votes

Not really. This isn't really a punishment for me. Its just a swarm of pentakills. Its a bit boring, but thats about it. It ruins the game for everyone else though. It's simply not fair to be pairing golds with bronze 5 players.

Drackolus2 votes

I'm going to act like I was totally unaffected by the punishment so that Riot thinks that this was a wasted effort, thereby convincing them to not give me that punishment anymore. Hopefully, nobody will notice that I specifically said that I was "pissed off" that I had to play 14 non-ranked games. Also, try to brag some more so I sound like a threat to the balance of the game to try to scare Riot into doing what I want, disregarding the fact that all of those other players have been carried and had the enemy team carry against them before and will see it again and probably forgot about all these games in less than 24 hours.

Silient1 votes

I don't like to play normals. My punishment isn't the point I'm trying to make here. A 3 day ban would have been almost identical in terms of punishing me. And no. someone going 33/3 is not the norm in bronze 5.

Drackolus1 votes

My psychology tactics aren't working! I'll just reference the well-known problems with matchmaking as a straw man and arbitrarily attribute the results to my punishment. The fact that I was paired against bronzes really only proves that matchmaking sucks, and WHY I was in normal's matchmaking is totally irrelevant to that point. But if I mention a logical argument, then it will make my illogical argument sound logical. Checkmate, athiests.

Silient1 votes

Is there some reason you are being a jerk? Or some reason you can't reply normally? It's no Straw man. (False cause is the fallacy you were looking for by the way. And its not that either.) I hardly think I am unique as a player who does not play normals. since normals MMR is seperate from ranked, when these ranked players are forced to play normals, they will utterly dominate. This problem is inherent with this current system. Granted, the two MMRS could just be linked, but I'm not sure that makes sense either. There is no need to come here and insult me.

Drackolus1 votes

I admit, there is no good reason to be a jerk. I have a reason, being that logical fallacies frustrate me, but getting mean is entirely pointless, especially since logical fallacies are an everyday thing and I'm certainly not innocent of having them myself. I'm sorry. And you're right, I was trying to use a false cause. Straw man is entirely different. My mistake. But I maintain that it IS a false cause. Your initial assertion is that your rank ban directly caused 14 bad normal games for everyone. The bad result that you're pointing out is caused by matchmaking's inability to match players of equal skill. It has nothing to do with WHY you were playing normals. You could have just one day decided to take advantage of it to get some easy wins by willingly playing 14 normals. You could say that it wasn't exactly a terrible punishment, seeing as most people are alright with destroying a couple teams (though 14 games of no challenge is boring. That's why most players don't play bots for very long), but it does still stop you from doing what you primarily wanted to do (ranked), and even then, that just means poor implementation, not a poor concept of punishment. If matchmaking worked well and you were matched with players of similar skill level, then it would have done exactly what riot wanted - made you do something that you felt was a waste of time because it didn't give you any progression to encourage an improvement in behavior. I'm sure I'm not the first to think of it, but I have thought for a while that normal matchmaking could be based off the higher of your ranked or mmr, but that gets a little murky with unranked players with high mmr. Not a perfect solution, but I think it's better than matching gold players against people who legitimately are bronze skill level.

Silient1 votes

The problem is that the people with such a huge disparity between normal and ranked MMRS have it because they do not play normals, this new system forces them to play normals, so it definitely contributes to this problem.

Drackolus1 votes

It redirects to an already existing problem. If they have no plan to fix matchmaking, I see why the punishment wouldn't work. But it seems more logical to me to fix matchmaking directly, thereby indirectly fixing the fact that the punishment actually hurts other players. Of course, turning off that particular punishment in favor of another is definitely easier than reworking the entire matchmaking system. It would be nice if a Rioter could give us some numbers on this issue. Like, how often do we even see players with huge MMR differences in normal game, how many normal games are generally carried by a player that is vastly more skilled than the rest (that would be REALLY hard to tack down, since kills aren't a perfect indicator), etc. It does stand to reason that many players with higher ranks have low normal mmr just due to the fact that they don't play unranked very often (that's how they got high ranks in the first place). It's like having an alt, but for normals - you have a ton of practice that isn't being counted for in matchmaking. Can't really know for sure how much of an impact it has until you see some real numbers. This can't be the only case.

Maybe it's the wine talking, but I see your point. I hope a Rioter can come down from the heavens and throw an opinion or something at us. At least confirm or deny that it's a common enough occurrence to really be worth considering.

Silient1 votes

A riot comment on the issue would shed some light. But I tend to believe I'm not a special snowflake.

P0DEFrkK353 votes

There is never a reason why you should even be angry when playing Normal games. Seriously.

Silient1 votes

its no fun when you are vs a 33/3 tryn at 23 minutes?

P0DEFrkK351 votes

Big deal. Are you losing anything out of it? Are these losses in normal queue affecting your life? Apparently so.

Silient1 votes

I was the 33/3 tryn.... I'm saying that it was no fun for the people I was playing with or against.

P0DEFrkK351 votes

I can't believe that you're even frustrated about such a thing.

Silient1 votes

Its not fun to have to go through games and see over one hundred people have a miserable time and know its your fault.

Yulen Xoshxius1 votes

If you are not in ranked, you could mess around a bit or try out new build ideas/tactics I guess.

Silient1 votes

I could I suppose. But I'm pretty sure I could go AP talon and still crush these games. The skill difference just isn't fair. I've played almost 15000 games since I was at this level. Its just not cool.

OhBoyItsaMegaman2 votes

Today I learned that losing a game really hard means that the game was ruined—sorry, "RUINED". This actually gives me some insight into the toxic player mindset, as every time someone is 0/2 by 7:00, you can't help but be upset at the person who's RUINING your game.

Silient1 votes

There is a difference between going 0/2 at 7:00 and your ENTIRE team being killed the second you step out of your base. Seriously, I towerdived and pentakilled in some of these games pre 20 minutes.

Sachabot2 votes

You could have just grabbed some people on your friends list and done a bunch of Ultimate Bravery challenges. Used it as CS practice. Whatever. This is nothing to get pissed over. Bored? Yeah, I can see bored. But you're there as a PUNISHMENT, not to train you or challenge you. If you don't wanna deal with this, then don't flame and get yourself into this situation. Maybe take a break so you don't go on tilt next time?

Silient1 votes

People like me don't have friends. Lol.

Aerothal1 votes

rekt

Dryditch1 votes

I guess their system is working. Or are you not annoyed enough by this penalty to not flame your team?

Silient1 votes

I'm not trying to make any point about its effectiveness on me. I'm merely pointing out for every version of me that they punish, 126 players will have their game ruined.

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