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Riot plz. Why cant we have a chat ban?

Silient··1 votes·977 views

So I just finally received what was probably my inevitable permanent ban. I do not feel a permanent ban is the proper way to deal with me, or people like me. as a profile for me: I do not flame a teammate simply for doing poorly. I do not flame teammates for unorthodox picks. I do not EVER attempt to intentional lose the game, or AFK (Although I do threaten to do both of these things)

I intentionally fed in a single game. One time, many months ago. It left a bitter taste in my mouth and has not happened since.

What I have problems with is two things. I have a hard time not responding to people flaming/ganging up on me (Which happens on a regular basis thanks to dynamic que) I just cannot at all relate to teammates who refuse to help me. (Junglers who wont gank my lane when I need help. Teams that let me be counter jungled relentlessly, and supports who just refuse to support are the big three.)

However. In all of these cases. The only thing I ever do is type. I never feed. I never ragequit. I never throw the game on purpose. I ALWAYS try to win.

given that. Doesn't it make much more sense to ban me from chatting than it does to just ban my account? Or at least give me the option to turn chat off in game by default? I'd much rather not see the chat, or have the ability to say anything.

As it stands, I will likely never get my account back, and its really going to suck. But that just doesn't seem like the right way to solve the problem. If I was banned from chat, I could still play. I could be a solid teammate, and I could still buy RP, and I would have no negative affect on the game whatsoever.

I'll post the chat logs from my ban on the bottom since people will ask for them.

Very similiar things happening in both games. I'm playing jungle vayne, and I'm getting invaded a lot. In game 1 the enemy bot lane keeps running up to gank me with their jungler, and all I can get from my team is "Go afk. Pick a real jungle. Not my job to support jungle. WTF GANK MY LANE. You suck. You are shit." etc.

Game two, I honestly don't think was that bad. I was making a serious effort to bite my tongue since it was one of my first games after my last suspension. Evidently not good enough.

> Game 1 > Silient: threeeessssshhhh > Silient: full ap > Silient: wtb bot lane > Silient: game is already over > Silient: shaco gonna invade all day and you guys are gonna ignore > Silient: 0% chance of victory > Silient: lmfao > Silient: not one single ward > Silient: this is literally impossible for me man. > Silient: didnt know you were all gonna be useless > Silient: ward lanes. > Silient: dont ignore me when he is in my jungle > Silient: I'm literally blaming you for things that you are doing > Silient: they are by definition your fault. > Silient: I CANNOT 1v1 him. > Silient: since you guys REFUSE to ward > Silient: it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to avoid him > Silient: .... > Silient: you see > Silient: we are on a team > Silient: you are supposed to help your team > Silient: is this really that hard tp grasp? > Silient: okay > Silient: how about this > Silient: help me > Silient: Or im leaving > Silient: There is no point > Silient: in me even playing if you guys are just gonna ignore me > Silient: I was 2v1 in my jungle level 1 > Silient: you dont even follow your own lane > Silient: I did as soon as cc wore off > Silient: I keep trying > Silient: shaco has been waiting for me every time > Silient: yep > Silient: every > Silient: fking > Silient: time > Silient: pro bot lane > Silient: cant even follow your lane > Silient: and talk so much shit. > Silient: paying attention to what? > Silient: shaco can just kill me any time he wants > Silient: and you guys don't even ward > Silient: ward? > Silient: respond when I ping 27 times? > Silient: I want you to ward your lanes > Silient: I cannot ward the whole jungle > Silient: its not even possibl > Silient: wtf you want me to do? > Silient: every time I come mid shaco kills me > Silient: or ashe and braum kill me > Silient: I CAME EVERY TIME > Silient: AND SHACO KILLED ME EVERY TIME > Silient: you guys totally ignore me > Silient: then just talk shit. > Silient: they just took me red > Silient: fk that shit. > Silient: doubt we ever get there > Silient: fk you > Silient: just leave me the fk alone ffs > Silient: its not even fair > Silient: you had your team with you ganking me at level 1 > Silient: I told my team you were coming > Silient: you should have died. > Silient: literally every single time except the one in the bushes by red I told them you were coming at least 25 seconds in advance > Silient: you should have been 5 manned every tsingle time > Silient: but thresh is all "its not my job to support jungle" > Silient: what teamfight? > Silient: lets just kill lux before we lose > Silient: lol im so fking behind > Silient: I really just don't understand people who refuse to help their team > Silient: I was 2-0 on my promos to gold lol > Silient: hi > Silient: notice the swain just walks away? > Silient: lol > Silient: like they don't even know vayne jungle is a thing > Silient: like I'm not even playing bad > Silient: there is just literally nothing I can do :/

> Game 2 > Silient: fml > Silient: I cannot solo > Silient: can you guys ward your lanes? > Silient: thats the 5th invade > Silient: its impossible for me to ward the jungle > Silient: has to many entrances > Silient: np > Silient: never coming top again actually. > Silient: actually though > Silient: you see > Silient: if you all ward your lanes > Silient: jungle is warded by default. > Silient: and then i can focus on sweeping and ganking > Silient: but you'd all rather flame me than actually try to win > Silient: shit. > Silient: that was my bad > Silient: w/e gg wp. > Silient: cant come back from this. You don't even want to try. > Silient: how was that bad? > Silient: she even wasted flash > Silient: and she was worth waaaay more gold than me > Silient: lol > Silient: im gold > Silient: nah man > Silient: you just let them invade for free all game > Silient: so ofc I'm gonna do bad > Silient: god dammit > Silient: cant even cast e before I die > Silient: god fking dammit man > Silient: im going to report you :D > Silient: for what > Silient: its pretty clearly not intentional lol > Silient: im doing better than thresh and jinx lol > Silient: No i didn't > Silient: barely went there > Silient: nope > Silient: i died to kha first > Silient: yep

11 Comments

Athina3 votes

General negativity, hopeless attitude toward the game and your teammates, and threatening reports. Perfectly viable for a punishment. I'm guessing that you already served your 14 day suspension, and should have been fully aware that permanent was next. Punishments work on a 4 tier system, and looks for frequency of negative behavior, not how negative it was (except in extreme circumstances).

Silient1 votes

I'm supposed to pretend that a game can be won when it cannot? When my team isn't even trying I just want to /ff and move on.

But this is really not the point here. What I am asking for is a chat ban. If all of my offenses are chat related (and they are) that solves the problem. Allows me to play the game. and lets me continue to make money for Riot.

Alternatively, I'll likely just end up turning my smurf into my main account and starting over. And there is no guarantee that I'll be any better at biting my tongue the second time around.

Imperial Red3 votes

And that's on you. Learn some self-control.

Silient1 votes

Maybe. It's probably going to continue to suck for me. Not saying I didn't do anything wrong.

I'm saying isn't a chat ban a better system? They are waaaay less likely to make a new account than they are to just play without being able to chat.

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

If what you're looking for is to keep getting chat restrictions instead of moving up to a ban eventually, they used to do this. However, it didn't work very well because people would use their limited chat to be abusive or move onto other forms of toxicity. If an account ban was "too harsh" for chat offenses, then the offenders need to stop before it reaches that point; if they don't then they clearly have no intention of reforming and Riot doesn't want them playing their game.

Silient1 votes

I'm not asking for a chat restriction. I'm saying there should be a chat ban. No messages. Nadda. None. And an option to make the chatbox not even appear. No messages every 7 minutes or whatever. Just none at all ever.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Riot doesn't do that because they want some chat available, but you can take it upon yourself to restrict chat on your own using various methods; Using keyboard software rebind your Enter key so you can't chat, move your chat box off the screen, or modify the config file to shrink it down to nothing.

Silient1 votes

It seems to me that no chat at all would be much better than just permanently banning an account. If you ban someones account there is nothing to stop them from making a new account and just being toxic all over. But if you simply ban them from chat, it seems to me that they would be much less likely to make a new account, because then they would have to start over, vs just being able to give up chat and keep playing.

scazzman1 votes

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If what you're looking for is to keep getting chat restrictions instead of moving up to a ban eventually, they used to do this. However, it didn't work very well because people would use their limited chat to be abusive or move onto other forms of toxicity. If an account ban was "too harsh" for chat offenses, then the offenders need to stop before it reaches that point; if they don't then they clearly have no intention of reforming and Riot doesn't want them playing their game.

my personal stance on this. if people flame. chat restrict them. if people ping spam. make it so they can no longer ping. only after that point. and if a person starts deliberately trolling or feeding. should a permaban be considered

Jetjoe1 votes

I actually think your chat was respectfully critical enough to not disturb a ban. But riot tribunal employees and their automated system are made by or are 3rd class workers sitting in a country like india, china, pakistan, etc etc.

In general league of legends can be translated to league of losers which consists of a large amount of sentimental people who cant handle criticism. I see you were at a silver I level which has slightly more intelligent folks than bronze but still alot of mentally "Slow" people.

I have been in the same shoes as you and received a chat restriction a week or two ago based on two games, calling people bronze. In your case you are trying to have a serious conversation. In that situation I would just love to egg the guy who banned me's house. But seeing that isnt possible your next best bet its to swear your heart out in a support ticket email.

Once youre done getting all that anger out of your system. 1. Quit league of legends because it is a seriously addicting game and at low elo all sorts of idiots. 2. Join league of legends again with a new account work your way up and just use the /muteall feature at the very beginning OR get rid of all chat and mute someone the minute they say something that makes u want to say something back. Then ping the shit out of them in an annoying manner. Take it as you punching them in the face a hundred times.

And enjoy the rest of the game. If it doesnt satisfy you enough, add them after game, tell them how you really feel, and dance around their body and make fun of them for not being able to report you.

Sarutobi1 votes

Sadly the chatlogs you show at least in my opinion show a sign of toxicity. With that said its definitely not permaban worthy off the bat, but if that was the next line of punishment for you then sadly it is what it is.

Like Nami said they had already did chatlog ban and it doesn't work. People will just use other methods to irritate people in the game usually trolling, and sadly this is why we have the tier of punishment. When people cannot act like civilize people there needs to be order. Looks how long it took to actually get some sort of punishment. I remember when I first started playing and things like this get unnoticed. Now that it's finally getting out people are complaining about it.

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