Views on this new stupid noob strategy for play: (ADC/supp/jg/mid/solo)?

dalphy08·Mar 24, 2015·1 votes·4,926 views

Post all your views on this new crap method of playing that has flooded the ENTIRE GAME. I personally support ANY strategy a person would have to offer, but not like this. People have been blackmailing others for too long with reports and other abuse into playing that r%%%%%ed childish strategy of 1 going top, 1 going middle, 2 nazi-sorted champions going bottom and 1 going jungle.

And the worst part is, THEY ALL ALWAYS SUCK. They never watch lanes, the jungles are worthless, and the bottom champions wouldn't know how to move out of the way of a truck if they were staring at it going 1 mile per hour for 30 minutes straight.

REAL League of Legends and other RTS games do not force others to conform to your worthless crap strategy, I've been Tribunal punished because of you stupid bully kids (these bully kids also work for Riot Games clearly) reporting people who don't use your juvenile strategy. This game has been around since before you even had a computer, IDK where the hell you came from.

Post your views here!

73 Comments

DeloricVIMar 24, 20157 votes

There's a reason that this is the setup that pros use. It's designed so that you have a good mix of damage types and sustain. Mid provides ap burst, the marksman provides ad burst, top or jungle usually provide sustain because they're tanks. The support is there usually to provide an interrupt or other cc of some kind. I'm not saying it's perfect, and that it doesn't fall apart if someone feeds, but it usually does what it's supposed to.

That being said, each role has a job, and I'm not always certain that everyone knows what those jobs are.

Junglers are mainly there to secure objectives and occasionally help you win lane, and in that order. Their priority is making sure that your team gets the objectives, not just the kills. Kills are good and can lead to better objective control, but too many people don't use their gold advantage to get objectives.

The reason bot lane is ADC and a support is because the ADC is very squishy, and marksmen have the highest late game output, so it's best to get them fed as much as possible as quickly as possible. You also don't want to run a solo lane against a duo lane. Go ahead, try telling your support to go help mid when you're Vayne trying to take on Blitz and Graves. You won't have a good time unless the other team is vastly inferior to you.

The reason that there's only one person on mid and top is because a) that's who's left over, and b) it helps take advantage of all sources of gold on the map. That's another responsibility of the jungler, to get gold advantage from the spawning jungle creeps without affecting the income of the people in lane. The reason that certain types of champions are chosen for certain kinds of positions on the map is deliberate as well. Bursty caster champions go mid because it's shorter than the other two lanes and you can easily take your damage to either of the other lanes via roaming. Also, if you die, you have less ground to cover to get back into the game. Top is usually given to a tank because tanks are supposed to have high sustain, high survivablity and generally go back to base less often. The two on bot lane are there because, with two of you, you can better protect each other.

I hope I've made it clear why things are the way they are; with this knowledge, I hope that you'll see better what each role should do and why, and maybe make you a better player in the process (because I presume you didn't know this to begin with). Most players don't necessarily understand this, and that's why many games fall apart at lower elo, and those problems with "feeders" you seem to be having probably extend from this or lack of technical skill. The way you can make up for this is to be the person that can carry a game by yourself. In most cases, you're probably not using this setup correctly. For instance, you can trace back why you lost and what you may have been able to do to stop it. If you're mid and you lose, you might go, "I lost because top lane fed." Then you can go back and ask yourself: "Could I have stopped that from happening?" The answer may very well be yes. If you're mid, why didn't you roam? Most midlaners have a way to push lane in their kit, so you could have probably pushed the wave and helped top out if they were struggling. Don't always do this because sometimes there really is nothing you can do to help, or providing this help would ultimately cause more damage than good (e.g. you can't push a wave, and you're pinned down to your tower; towers are objectives and objectives are more valuable than kills).

DrathTurtle314Apr 3, 20151 votes

Mid provides ap burst

Zed and Talon would like a word

There's a reason that this is the setup that pros use ... You also don't want to run a solo lane against a duo lane

Explain why pros do lane swaps all the time please, deliberately setting up 1v2's bot with a 1 v 1 top lane while the support roams with the jungler.

These comments being made, I don't think you've succeeded in your goal.

The "meta" that OP is calling a "noob strategy" is what I believe you were trying to explain, and runs a little deeper than what you've stated.

Bot lane gets the most gold, therefore marksmen go bot because that gold translates to items which in turn translates to damage.

Mid lane gets the most experience(being a solo lane with, generally speaking, heavy wave clear), so you want a champion to go mid if they scale well with level. In addition to this the wave clear brings in money for items.

Top and Jungle usually provide a team fight front line because someone needs to and we have established that the bot lane marksman has item scaling damage and mid needs damage to roam to the side lanes.

Support goes bot with a marksman to provide him protection in lane and to harass the enemy marksman. They don't take CS because the items they need to be effective are fairly cheap early and later they should be getting gold from team fight assists.

Anything you would like to add or question me on would be well accepted. I know that I don't know everything about this game and I honestly don't know if what has been described above is the best way to do things, but it is what is currently popular.

DeloricVIApr 5, 20151 votes

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and would like a word

Explain why pros do lane swaps all the time please, deliberately setting up 1v2's bot with a 1 v 1 top lane while the support roams with the jungler.

I was just doing the gist of the common strategy; most people that try to say that this meta setup shouldn't be set in stone don't even understand the basics, and they've just been doing what they've been told. It didn't turn out to be the case here, but the basics can sometimes answer a lot of questions. I don't remember who it was, but there was someone who addressed people that want to break the meta but end up failing really hard: "Before you start trying to think outside the box, make sure that the original box is filled in," I believe it was.

The reason some people use Zed and Talon is because of the shut-down potential that they have. If used correctly, they can be perfectly valid (along with Yasuo). Zed in particular is notoriously "safe" as many of his moves are relatively low risk, which usually translates to free poke/harass. It's just that someone has to crank out some AP damage so everyone on the other team doesn't build a thornmail and just say "GG, bro." Usually, if someone goes AD mid, someone else on the team has some type of ap going, or they have a plan to just rush the other team down. In soloqueue, these champions are mostly used to stomp people early, so they can more quickly get fed and contest objectives; if they're fast enough, no one will have the gold to start building armor, and not to mention... it's soloqueue. You know half of these people are building from a guide anyways.

As for lane swaps, sometimes they know that they have a counter pick. It happens to me in soloqueue sometimes. Nasus sees Teemo with teleport, Nasus goes mid instead, and someone like... Akali goes top or something. Or, sometimes they know the enemy's expecting a certain champion and not seeing that champion can sometimes throw opponents off their game. Sometimes they pick really goofy champions for that reason. Who expected someone to actually do something with Urgot mid or Lulu top/adc? (before someone did it in the lcs, of course.)

As for that alternative strategy of 1v2 bots and a roaming support, I don't know exactly how popular this strategy is. Obviously, it's something that you don't want to do in soloqueue, because any ADC who's not in on it will probably die because they didn't know about it. If they do roam with the support, I could see it in cases where they want to counter jungle the enemy (starve the enemy jungler by taking their camps). If you have two champions taking your creeps, you can't really contest that; those wolves aren't worth dying over. The thing would be that you would have to babysit bot lane a lot because any bot lane worth their salt is going to be zoning the solo adc really hard, meaning they won't have a good time cs'ing and will have to be really careful not to feed kills.

DrathTurtle314Apr 5, 20151 votes

When I mentioned lane swaps, I was specifically talking about putting the ADC in the top lane and putting your top laner bot vs the enemy bot lane. CLG is particularly good at these types of lane swaps and the only reason I brought it up at all is because you mentioned the pros with regard to the normal strategy. However, if counterpicked, it can be effective for the two solo laners to initiate a lane swap as well, and this is how I understood your definition of lane swaps.

To address the statements about Zed and Talon, this is why Rumble and Maokai are popular in the top lane, amumu does a good job of compensating for the lack of mid lane magic damage in the jungle, as do nidalee and fiddlesticks.

The WhamboozlerMar 24, 20154 votes

Guys, by now it's pretty obvious that the OP is either trolling, metally challenged, or so stubborn in his "I smart, u all dum" mentality that he cares not for logic, evidence or even other people's opinions on the matter. My guess is troll. Stop feeding the troll.

DeloricVIMar 24, 20152 votes

I wasn't kidding that it's almost entertaining to keep watching what kind nonsense he comes up with, but I guess you're right. It's probably best to let it die and drop off the face of the forums.

TeemoJenkinsApr 3, 20153 votes

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DrackolusMar 24, 20152 votes

Oh, another ragey post. I take it that getting banned has been your plan all along? In which case, you're doing a great job!

GaleWinUnleashedMar 24, 20152 votes

Actually, judging from his recent posts, his goal appears to be quite the opposite; he is trying to counter the punishments he's received so far. He's doing a rubbish job of it, though. His extremely aggressive and offensive manner of speech, and frequent use of ad hominem attacks, make him extremely unlikable, while also further supporting his chat restriction. Actually, a chat restriction seems like quite a lenient approach in this case; it seems more like a formality before a permanent ban. There's enough narcissism evident in his posts that he seems extremely unlikely to reform, being unable to admit his own flaws and mistakes.

dalphy08Mar 25, 20151 votes

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Actually, judging from his recent posts, his goal appears to be quite the opposite; he is trying to counter the punishments he's received so far. He's doing a rubbish job of it, though. His extremely aggressive and offensive manner of speech, and frequent use of ad hominem attacks, make him extremely unlikable, while also further supporting his chat restriction. Actually, a chat restriction seems like quite a lenient approach in this case; it seems more like a formality before a permanent ban. There's enough narcissism evident in his posts that he seems extremely unlikely to reform, being unable to admit his own flaws and mistakes.

No, you are not qualified to evaluate a person. That's why you cannot say I am "aggressive" or have an "offensive" manner of speech, just because you were offended does make me offensive. That exhibits a lack of ability to figure out what 1+1 is. Just thought id letcha know! You have too much frustration to evaluate who gets a permanent ban or not as you are still too young to play video games; let alone actually communicate to others. Be very careful what ideas you put into the people's heads on this forum.

GaleWinUnleashedMar 25, 20153 votes

I'm merely evaluating based on what clues there are in front of me, which are unlikely to be enough data to provide an accurate picture. Perhaps you're an incredibly awesome person to know and talk to.

But there's not a shred of evidence supporting that anywhere in your dozens of posts and comments I happen to have read so far.

I'm smart enough to know that much of this same stuff applies to me. I'm often overly analytical, which tends to make me very difficult to like, particularly when the only medium of communication is text. It's difficult to change my mind, so a poor first impression usually forms the basis for any sort of relationship for quite some time. To help counter this, I attempt to take emotion out of the equation when responding to any situation, which has an unfortunate side effect of making me seem very cold.

Moving on, though. A clear explanation of why I dislike you: The one thing about you that really rubs me the wrong way is your tendency to resort immediately to personal attacks, rather than addressing the points being made. Having read the comments on a few of your posts, these attacks are often your first reaction to any disagreement, and are not limited to me in particular. These sorts of attacks against an arguer, rather than the argument, are logical fallacies known as ad hominem attacks. They attempt to discredit the person in order to distract from the topic itself, which is typically a sign that the attacker does not have a solid logical response. Ad hominem attacks do not belong in reasoned discussion.

This tendency, combined with your refusal to admit any such flaw, is what is making you so wildly unpopular on these forums. League of Legends players evidently do not take kindly to those that attempt to place all of the blame on others without acknowledging any of their own mistakes or flaws.

dalphy08Mar 25, 20151 votes

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I'm smart enough to know that much of this same stuff applies to me. I'm often overly analytical, which tends to make me very difficult to like, particularly when the only medium of communication is text. It's difficult to change my mind, so a poor first impression usually forms the basis for any sort of relationship for quite some time. To help counter this, I attempt to take emotion out of the equation when responding to any situation

We do not care.

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known as ad hominem attacks. They attempt to discredit the person in order to distract from the topic itself, which is typically a sign that the attacker does not have a solid logical response. Ad hominem attacks do not belong in reasoned discussion.

This tendency, combined with your refusal to admit any such flaw, is what is making you so wildly unpopular on these forums. League of Legends players evidently do not take kindly to those that attempt to place all of the blame on others without acknowledging any of their own mistakes or flaws.

That is not what an ad hominem attack is known as. And, they do belong in a reasoned discussion. If you don't believe that, you're probably living in a communist lifestyle. In which case, ta.

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I attempt to take emotion out of the equation when responding to any situation

And, ya failed! You're angry.

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This tendency, combined with your refusal to admit any such flaw, is what is making you so wildly unpopular on these forums. League of Legends players evidently do not take kindly to those that attempt to place all of the blame on others without acknowledging any of their own mistakes or flaws.

I do not make mistakes.

GaleWinUnleashedMar 25, 20152 votes

That paragraph pointing out some of my own flaws was a preemptive effort to truncate your list of supposedly viable ad hominem targets. Whether or not it was effective, I can't be sure.

Ad hominem attacks are perfectly fine, yes. But only when there is a logical reason to doubt the credibility of the arguer in question. Merely disagreeing with the arguer is not a valid grounds for this type of attack, not without logic to back it up. Can you explain why my definition of an ad hominem attack is wrong? I paraphrased what I remember the definition to be, but I can instead direct you to a dictionary definition if you would prefer.

And finally, no, I am not angry. No one on this forum has the capacity to actually make me angry, though you may congratulate yourself on getting closer than most. I am merely slightly annoyed (and simultaneously amused) that all attempts at logical discussion are being thrown out the window without explanation. You have now graduated to the straw man fallacy, attempting to drag particular portions of what I said out of context, in order to "defeat" them there and distract from the original topic.

dalphy08Mar 25, 20151 votes

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Whether or not it was effective, I can't be sure.

And that is why, your view is not held very highly in this discussion yet.

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Ad hominem attacks are perfectly fine, yes. But only when there is a logical reason to doubt the credibility of the arguer in question. Merely disagreeing with the arguer is not a valid grounds for this type of attack, not without logic to back it up. Can you explain why my definition of an ad hominem attack is wrong? I paraphrased what I remember the definition to be, but I can instead direct you to a dictionary definition if you would prefer.

No, I cannot explain it because I don't feel like it half-pint. And you are not qualified to say who is "merely disagreeing".

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No one on this forum has the capacity to actually make me angry, though you may congratulate yourself on getting closer than most.

Don't lie. And it is not no one clearly if you said "closer than most." as there are other people included when you say "most". So you are saying they have the capacity. Not a very good trait!

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I am merely slightly annoyed

So you are angry. And everything you had written there in that paragraph is entirely wrong.

GaleWinUnleashedMar 25, 20152 votes

I consider "angry" to be rather more extreme than annoyed. Even so, it's not affecting how I choose to react. I was unclear in how I stated that no one has the capacity to make me angry. So I'll clarify; No one has the ability to make me angry enough that I allow it to cloud my judgment. My anger would be "cold" rather than "hot", if that makes sense.

I may dislike, hate, loathe a person or idea, but I will never react based on that emotion. It will not disrupt my logical approach to everything. If we consider that to be a scale of some sort (dislike, hate, loathe), no one has yet gotten past "dislike".

On a different topic, why am I a "half-pint" now? I was starting to enjoy the insinuations of stupidity; it's so rare that anyone thinks that of me that it's really quite funny.

TrídentApr 3, 20152 votes

If you say the meta sucks and is for noobs, I'd like to see your strategy.

dalphy08Apr 3, 20151 votes

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If you say the meta sucks and is for noobs, I'd like to see your strategy.

It doesn't matter what you'd like.

TrídentApr 3, 20152 votes

Rammus ok

dalphy08Apr 3, 20151 votes

(no offense)

dalphy08Mar 24, 20151 votes

Oh okay, I'm not going to read any of that though!

But yeah...I guess that's your view. Still stands that its a noob strategy though. Do post your views people! As this has been an ongoing issue where many bother others for the fact they don't follow this strategy 100% all the time by their rules.

DeloricVIMar 24, 20153 votes

Have you ever heard of a "reply" button? It makes it a lot easier to organize posts so that people can tell who you're talking to.

I'm pretty sure "all of that" is referring to my long post, all considered. If you're not going to read through and understand why the PROS came up with this strategy and why the "Noobs" follow the PRO-DEVELOPED STRATEGY, then I'm sorry but I can't give your opinion any respect. I'm all about finding new metas and new tactics, but when you won't even look at why the original worked, then I can't really respect your opinion on the matter. It's true that it has become the go-to strategy for noobs to quickly get into the game, but those newer players don't really become good until they look at the bigger picture and understand why it works. When they do, they usually want to follow it all the more.

Now, I really don't want to come across as "toxic" or like I'm raging, but when you just totally ignore evidence that this strategy has more merit than you give it credit for by not even bothering to read it, that's a little insulting, in my humble opinion. I know it's a lot, but you can't even skim it?

lol

dalphy08Mar 24, 20151 votes

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Have you ever heard of a "reply" button? It makes it a lot easier to organize posts so that people can tell who you're talking to.

I'm pretty sure "all of that" is referring to my long post, all considered. If you're not going to read through and understand why the PROS came up with this strategy and why the "Noobs" follow the PRO-DEVELOPED STRATEGY, then I'm sorry but I can't give your opinion any respect. I'm all about finding new metas and new tactics, but when you won't even look at why the original worked, then I can't really respect your opinion on the matter. It's true that it has become the go-to strategy for noobs to quickly get into the game, but those newer players don't really become good until they look at the bigger picture and understand why it works. When they do, they usually want to follow it all the more.

Now, I really don't want to come across as "toxic" or like I'm raging, but when you just totally ignore evidence that this strategy has more merit than you give it credit for by not even bothering to read it, that's a little insulting, in my humble opinion. I know it's a lot, but you can't even skim it?

lol

Chronological view is the most basic and logical form of viewing a forum thread since the 1980s. You need to get with da times fool.

And why would I need to read through to understand "why" they came up with that buffoon plan, if I already know? My wife and I are both reading and we failed to see the part saying I asked why they use that strategy.

EDIT: And to add, it is NOT a pro strategy. You have no qualification to call it one or to believe it's one because you don't know any profs.

DeloricVIMar 24, 20152 votes

The chronological view doesn't give me notifications when someone replies to my comments, and this forum defaults to most popular comment. Not everyone will have it in chronological view, so your comment may be moved to where it doesn't make sense to anyone viewing it in the default mode.

As for your arguments, I did my homework; there have been several metas before the current setup. If I recall, a European team at a worldwide event used the current strategy and it was so effective that it stuck and became the normal strategy, or so I read, and hear from players who were around during that season.

Also, considering that most people in diamond and challenger follow this pattern to this day implies that it's a pro strategy. I don't watch the LCS, but I'm pretty sure they also follow this strategy unless they need to alter it to counter certain team compositions. The reason I explained why it works is that people that question its effectiveness don't quite understand that. At the end of the explanation, I mentioned this. Most people, after knowing how and why it works, don't question it because the reasoning behind it is sound. I was using the "why" as a tool to explain that this strategy isn't a "juvenile strategy;" someone thought of this tactic, and no one's found a better one yet.

You also demonstrated that you don't understand what the Jungler's job is, which further enforces that you don't know how this strategy works. Being a jungle main, I know it's a very common misunderstanding, but watch some diamond 1 jungle guides; they usually make it abundantly clear that securing objectives is the main job of the jungler. Helping your allies win lane is only tangentially related to securing objectives. It can help secure objectives if you give the lanes a gold advantage, so it's generally a good thing to gank.

As for me not being qualified, I do not in fact know of any professors that teach a course in league of legends (I'm being facetious, so don't get too offended). You don't need to personally know a pro at league to watch a video or stream and see that people on actual diamond-ranked teams follow this strategy.

If freedom is something you want, then don't play a competitive team based game like a moba. RTS is very different because you don't have to coordinate very closely with other human players. The reason you got reported for not following the meta is probably because your team was not on board with the strategy you were going to use. This means that you aren't cooperating with them, which is part of "Real League of Legends;" working with your team. I don't care if you have the best strategy in the world; if your team won't follow it, it's worthless.

dalphy08Mar 24, 20151 votes

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The chronological view doesn't give me notifications when someone replies to my comments, and this forum defaults to most popular comment. Not everyone will have it in chronological view, so your comment may be moved to where it doesn't make sense to anyone viewing it in the default mode.

As for your arguments, I did my homework; there have been several metas before the current setup. If I recall, a European team at a worldwide event used the current strategy and it was so effective that it stuck and became the normal strategy, or so I read, and hear from players who were around during that season.

Also, considering that most people in diamond and challenger follow this pattern to this day implies that it's a pro strategy. I don't watch the LCS, but I'm pretty sure they also follow this strategy unless they need to alter it to counter certain team compositions. The reason I explained why it works is that people that question its effectiveness don't quite understand that. At the end of the explanation, I mentioned this. Most people, after knowing how and why it works, don't question it because the reasoning behind it is sound. I was using the "why" as a tool to explain that this strategy isn't a "juvenile strategy;" someone thought of this tactic, and no one's found a better one yet.

You also demonstrated that you don't understand what the Jungler's job is, which further enforces that you don't know how this strategy works. Being a jungle main, I know it's a very common misunderstanding, but watch some diamond 1 jungle guides; they usually make it abundantly clear that securing objectives is the main job of the jungler. Helping your allies win lane is only tangentially related to securing objectives. It can help secure objectives if you give the lanes a gold advantage, so it's generally a good thing to gank.

As for me not being qualified, I do not in fact know of any professors that teach a course in league of legends (I'm being facetious, so don't get too offended). You don't need to personally know a pro at league to watch a video or stream and see that people on actual diamond-ranked teams follow this strategy.

If freedom is something you want, then don't play a competitive team based game like a moba. RTS is very different because you don't have to coordinate very closely with other human players. The reason you got reported for not following the meta is probably because your team was not on board with the strategy you were going to use. This means that you aren't cooperating with them, which is part of "Real League of Legends;" working with your team. I don't care if you have the best strategy in the world; if your team won't follow it, it's worthless.

Great logic. Look at how far you've gotten in the world. ^ What an idiotic imbecile lol

EDIT: I decided to write a bit more!:

League of Legends is a Real Time Strategy game. Not a MOBA game. And I don't care what Euro trash you bring into the topic, the strategy is for stupid donkey noobs. You do not know what an implication is clearly, and you don't know what "follow" means either.

Bottom line, kiddies should not flame others for not following their strategy. I do not flame people for not following my strategy, I flame in game to those who deserve it.

DeloricVIMar 24, 20152 votes

I'm actually a software developer with a Batchelor's Degree in Computer Science with a dual minor in Creative Writing and Studio Art. I'd say I'm doing pretty well for myself, thank you very much.

A moba is a sub-genre of the RTS genre. By definition, all moba's are a form of an rts game. League of Legends is in fact both. If you actually looked up what a moba is, League of Legends is used as an example in most definitions, and that definition describes this game to a tee. It might have something to do with the fact that League and DotA pretty much founded the genre, but we night as well ignore that because it doesn't mesh with your point of view. I'm not going to go into the history of it, as you seem to lack the intention span or the willingness to read it. The more you post, the more you make this abundantly clear that you have no real interest in any view on the topic other than your own. I have yet to see any legitimate proof of any of your claims, while you demand proof and credibility from me, which I have. You just throw out insulting words that have no actual truth behind them. "What an idiotic imbecile"? Maybe this would have some impact if there were something that would show a flaw in my reasoning. It might mean something then, but as it stands these words are hollow. It's clear that you have no actual counter-arguments, only a growing repertoire of derogatory words and nothing more.

I'll tell you what, you get a team together that's willing to indulge you and try your mind-bending game-changing strategy, and we'll see what happens. You know this community latches onto anything that might give them the smallest advantage like lamprey eels, so if it's successful everyone will stop playing this "Euro trash" if you have a better idea.

Also, Imply: (of a fact or occurrence) suggest (something) as a logical consequence.

Logically, the FACT that people of high skill level (e.g. players in diamond elo) follow this strategy can lead us to the LOGICAL conclusion that the strategy is good. Also, FACT: pro's use this strategy. That's practically the definition of a pro strategy.

And I don't know what "follow" means? Really? I'm about 90% sure you're trolling me right now. I know you're not supposed to feed the trolls, but it's so entertaining to watch you dig yourself deeper with every reply. Please, do another; your flailing is absolutely adorable at this stage.

dalphy08Mar 24, 20151 votes

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I'm actually a software developer with a Batchelor's Degree in Computer Science with a dual minor in Creative Writing and Studio Art. I'd say I'm doing pretty well for myself, thank you very much.

A moba is a sub-genre of the RTS genre. By definition, all moba's are a form of an rts game. League of Legends is in fact both. If you actually looked up what a moba is, League of Legends is used as an example in most definitions, and that definition describes this game to a tee. It might have something to do with the fact that League and DotA pretty much founded the genre, but we night as well ignore that because it doesn't mesh with your point of view. I'm not going to go into the history of it, as you seem to lack the intention span or the willingness to read it. The more you post, the more you make this abundantly clear that you have no real interest in any view on the topic other than your own. I have yet to see any legitimate proof of any of your claims, while you demand proof and credibility from me, which I have. You just throw out insulting words that have no actual truth behind them. "What an idiotic imbecile"? Maybe this would have some impact if there were something that would show a flaw in my reasoning. It might mean something then, but as it stands these words are hollow. It's clear that you have no actual counter-arguments, only a growing repertoire of derogatory words and nothing more.

I'll tell you what, you get a team together that's willing to indulge you and try your mind-bending game-changing strategy, and we'll see what happens. You know this community latches onto anything that might give them the smallest advantage like lamprey eels, so if it's successful everyone will stop playing this "Euro trash" if you have a better idea.

Also, Imply: (of a fact or occurrence) suggest (something) as a logical consequence.

Logically, the FACT that people of high skill level (e.g. players in diamond elo) follow this strategy can lead us to the LOGICAL conclusion that the strategy is good. Also, FACT: pro's use this strategy. That's practically the definition of a pro strategy.

And I don't know what "follow" means? Really? I'm about 90% sure you're trolling me right now. I know you're not supposed to feed the trolls, but it's so entertaining to watch you dig yourself deeper with every reply. Please, do another; your flailing is absolutely adorable at this stage.

You seem like some typical stupid kid trash. You know nothing. League of Legends is a Real Time Strategy game, not going to repeat it.

And your stupidity is related to "e.g. players in diamond elo". Players in Diamond are not of high skill level. They fucking suck just like you. You are not qualified to say who has skill and who doesn't, therefore you can not make a logical conclusion about a strategy. So your fact is nonsense.

And the whole thing you wrote about "moba" and shit is all the same thing you're saying. You're a rambling stupid animal.

EDIT: And if you're stupid enough to think DotA isn't a rip off, you're a fucking juvenile fool. Worth nothing to this dicussion, go back to your stupid sesame street toys

Angry MonsterMar 24, 20152 votes

SInce Dota came out before LOL hard for it to be a rip off. Also some of the original DEVs came from DOTA to make league. Some other went on to make Dota2. League and Dota 2 are very different beasts.

Either way you do not know what you are talking about.

dalphy08Mar 24, 20151 votes

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SInce Dota came out before LOL hard for it to be a rip off. Also some of the original DEVs came from DOTA to make league. Some other went on to make Dota2. League and Dota 2 are very different beasts.

Either way you do not know what you are talking about.

I didn't say DotA ripped of of LoL, but you can say that they both feed off of eachother nonetheless. That is fact. DotA is a ripoff of a diff RTS game that only real gamers know...

DeloricVIMar 24, 20151 votes

Ripoff of an RTS game? You mean Sarcraft? Just because the original DotA used the same engine of Starcraft and was essentially a mod for Starcraft doesn't mean they ripped off the game. The current version of DotA has its own engine, as well. That being said, given the limitations they were working with, I'd say they did very well in making something new.

DeloricVIMar 24, 20153 votes

Again more meaningless assertions.

Did you know: Diamond players make up less that 1% of Riot's player base? To become diamond you have to win a lot of games. Needless to say, you have to be very good at the game to beat over 90% of the league of legends community that plays ranked, one might assume. In fact, I don't believe that you have the "authority" to say that diamond players suck. Can you beat them? Probably not, considering that you aren't challenger.

Now how can I disprove your meaningless assertions about me not knowing what a moba is.... oh, right, let me Google that for you.

Speaking of chronological view, you seem to be confused about which game came out first, league of legends or DotA. Allow me to clarify; the first DotA game was chronologically the first game to come out that was officially considered a moba. The first version of DotA was released in 2003, League of Legends originally released in 2009, so in case you also can't handle basic math on top of being incapable of researching your arguments, that's roughly 6 years later. Yes, DotA ripped off a game from half a decade in the future. It makes perfect sense. While you didn't explicitly say DotA ripped off league, it's hard to deny that the original DotA Came out before any other moba you may like to mention. I mean, seriously, look it up.

As I said, this topic is a gold mine... please, post more volatile, ill-informed nonsense... I need more screenshots.

Angry MonsterMar 24, 20152 votes

the Op is bronze 5, you need to keep it simple.

DeloricVIMar 24, 20153 votes

That's no excuse at all. I'm Bronze 5. That doesn't excuse me from having to inform myself about the game, and listen to others when they try to explain something to me that I didn't appear to understand.

Although I do appreciate the sentiment. lol

Nybx4lifeMar 24, 20153 votes

Don't insult Bronze 5 like that. I'm unranked and I understand better than that guy.

dalphy08Apr 3, 20151 votes

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Don't insult Bronze 5 like that. I'm unranked and I understand better than that guy.

Glad that you agree with me!

Nybx4lifeApr 3, 20152 votes

Sorry, I don't think I made it clear for you.

When I referred to "that guy", I meant the Original Poster, which would be you.

I'll summarize what other people said: -Wanna try something new, which would obviously be unpopular? Teambuilder or Custom matches. It gives you the freedom of having people who'll be fine with you working a new composition out the gate and not be angry because you think the standard lane setup is broken, for some reason. -Ignoring what the opposition says about your ideas does not help your cause. Take it in and give your rebuttal. And please, keep the insults and swearing to a minimum. You're old enough to play League? You're old enough to talk on a chat board with an acceptable level of maturity.

Final thoughts: Don't feel too sad. Your opinion is valid, although it is your opinion. Work on your presentation, and maybe people can agree with you more.

mvargusApr 3, 20151 votes

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-Ignoring what the opposition says about your ideas does not help your cause. Take it in and give your rebuttal. And please, keep the insults and swearing to a minimum. You're old enough to play League? You're old enough to talk on a chat board with an acceptable level of maturity.

You think the OP is old enough to play League? His posts remind me of some of the tantrums my niece and nephew threw when they were two and three years old, only those two were far more coherent. :P

Nybx4lifeApr 4, 20151 votes

And I bet your niece and nephew are capable of going diamond in League at that age. :)

But yeah, tantrums are never fun, no matter where it takes place.

dalphy08Apr 5, 20151 votes

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And I bet your niece and nephew are capable of going diamond in League at that age. :)

But yeah, tantrums are never fun, no matter where it takes place.

Ah glad that you side with me again :D

dalphy08Apr 5, 20151 votes

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You think the OP is old enough to play League? His posts remind me of some of the tantrums my niece and nephew threw when they were two and three years old, only those two were far more coherent. :P

Well to quote this,

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And I bet your niece and nephew are capable of going diamond in League at that age. :)

But yeah, tantrums are never fun, no matter where it takes place.

It looks to me like they're comparing kids to my greatness!! Indications are quite clear by the statement on their capabilities at reaching Diamond level (as a result of me having said that I'm well beyond Diamond level, as the whole thing reeks of positive direction towards me in a positive, agreeing way).

dalphy08Apr 4, 20151 votes

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Sorry, I don't think I made it clear for you.

When I referred to "that guy", I meant the Original Poster, which would be you.

I'll summarize what other people said: -Wanna try something new, which would obviously be unpopular? Teambuilder or Custom matches. It gives you the freedom of having people who'll be fine with you working a new composition out the gate and not be angry because you think the standard lane setup is broken, for some reason. -Ignoring what the opposition says about your ideas does not help your cause. Take it in and give your rebuttal. And please, keep the insults and swearing to a minimum. You're old enough to play League? You're old enough to talk on a chat board with an acceptable level of maturity.

I know, and that is why I did not once speak immaturely.

{quoted} Your opinion is valid, although it is your opinion.

You aren't entirely qualified to say what it is, but I understand that you are agreeing with me (or trying to in some way), and that is good! But as for:

{quoted} Work on your presentation, and maybe people can agree with you more.

That is not the route to take for this. They are psychopaths, so the sooner someone with a correct brain comes that is looked up to by these random idiots tells them off....the sooner they stop spamming. They do not genuinely think I'm wrong, they're just typing randomly. For fun is all!

But yeah, IF they didn't agree with me, then you could say that the presentation wasn't good, but that would be way wrong. I do not make mistakes and never will.

dalphy08Apr 3, 20151 votes

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mvargusApr 3, 20153 votes

In what? I can guarantee it isn't in any game that you've mentioned here.

Perhaps you are "challenged" in some way, but we forgive that. You are so entertaining with your wild accusations and completely illogical statements.

I'm just glad that Riot doesn't ban you, without you, what would I do when I needed to laugh. But I can definitely say this of you. "Somewhere in the world, a village is missing its idiot" (only problem is they probably don't want him back. :P )

dalphy08Apr 3, 20151 votes

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In what? I can guarantee it isn't in any game that you've mentioned here.

Perhaps you are "challenged" in some way, but we forgive that. You are so entertaining with your wild accusations and completely illogical statements.

I'm just glad that Riot doesn't ban you, without you, what would I do when I needed to laugh. But I can definitely say this of you. "Somewhere in the world, a village is missing its idiot" (only problem is they probably don't want him back. :P )

Okay, but the whole point was not just to incur a laugh. I actually want to see people acting better. And I've never made a single illogical statement on this entire website.

gr8jobMar 24, 20154 votes

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Oh okay, I'm not going to read any of that though!

But yeah...I guess that's your view. Still stands that its a noob strategy though. Do post your views people! As this has been an ongoing issue where many bother others for the fact they don't follow this strategy 100% all the time by their rules.

You asked for someone's "views," and you refuse to read them? What exactly is your goal here? No one's going to agree with you. This is not a "noob" strategy. If you want to try new things, and there's nothing wrong with that (there ARE other viable compositions,) then find some friends to try it out with. Good luck with that though, with a dismissive attitude like you've displayed...

dalphy08Mar 24, 20151 votes

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You asked for someone's "views," and you refuse to read them? What exactly is your goal here? No one's going to agree with you. This is not a "noob" strategy. If you want to try new things, and there's nothing wrong with that (there ARE other viable compositions,) then find some friends to try it out with. Good luck with that though, with a dismissive attitude like you've displayed...

I didn't say I refused to read it. I read 100% correctly what that fool was trying to say. And it still even if I didn't read it, doesn't change the fact it's a noob strategy. It is a noob strategy, and there never will be any denying of that. And if you do, you're stupid.

I can't try a correct strategy because everyone reports me, and even others who try the correct strategy without the person even having done anything wrong. For example, a correct strategy of gameplay is to not spam flaming just because a person doesn't pick the role with the champion you're swearing at them to pick. Make sense?

JubbinautMar 24, 20152 votes

Want to try an off-meta strategy? Play Teambuilder. Build the comp you want with people who agree to try it ahead of time.

dalphy08Mar 24, 20151 votes

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Want to try an off-meta strategy? Play Teambuilder. Build the comp you want with people who agree to try it ahead of time.

How about no dickface?

JubbinautMar 24, 20157 votes

Seems strange that you insult me for recommending that you use the tool explicitly designed to fix the problem you're having.

"Man, fuck boards. It's impossible to get nails into them, it's such bullshit."

"You wanna put nails in a board? Use a hammer. It gives you more power while protecting your sensitive skin from the metal of the nail."

"How about no dickface?"

dalphy08Mar 24, 20151 votes

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Seems strange that you insult me for recommending that you use the tool explicitly designed to fix the problem you're having.

"Man, fuck boards. It's impossible to get nails into them, it's such bullshit."

"You wanna put nails in a board? Use a hammer. It gives you more power while protecting your sensitive skin from the metal of the nail."

"How about no dickface?"

I don't want to use Team Builder, and I don't care about that. I want to be unmuted.

mvargusApr 3, 20153 votes

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I don't want to use Team Builder, and I don't care about that. I want to be unmuted.

Angels will ice skate across the River Styx before you get unmuted at this rate. But keep believing its all due to some insidious and nefarious plan thought up by the Gnomes of Zurich. You are so much fun to read. :P