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Stop surrendering

WyvernEgg··5 votes·925 views

Seriously stop. No ones learning anything when you keep surrendering at 20

@Riot. Make it so if you agree to surrender a game you can't play for the next 15 min.

33 Comments

Deep Terror Nami7 votes

I surrender @ 20 for all the latest League related information.

WyvernEgg1 votes

Not funny

Deep Terror Nami7 votes

Yes it is.

WyvernEgg1 votes

Whatever

Blade of Justic5 votes

As far as I'm concerned, surrendering should be at 10 and not 20.

As such, no, I'm not going to surrender a game where we're down 2 towers and they're ahead by 5 kills.

But dammit, I don't want to play a game where we're down by 5 towers and they're ahead by 2 dragons and 15 kills.

The only thing I'm learning from this is that I queued up with the wrong people.

WyvernEgg2 votes

I wonder what would happen if riot removed surrender vote for a few monthes

Blade of Justic3 votes

{quoted}

I wonder what would happen if riot removed surrender vote for a few monthes

You'd likely see toxicity shoot through the roof and win rates dropping through the floor.

WyvernEgg1 votes

And then those toxic people would be banned for being toxic. and then maybe we could actually play with people who try.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

How would win rates drop through the floor? One of the teams has to win; the rates will not change at all...50% win and 50% lose.

Blade of Justic1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=i5oEYh9p,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2015-09-15T03:37:07.780+0000)

How would win rates drop through the floor? One of the teams has to win; the rates will not change at all...50% win and 50% lose.

People's individual win rates would drop. Not global win rates.

People would go on tilts.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

That would be balanced out by the people winning the games they lost. Idk how you're assuming people tilt when they can't surrender, but it would be evened out either way.

Blade of Justic1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=i5oEYh9p,comment-id=000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-15T03:46:26.824+0000)

That would be balanced out by the people winning the games they lost. Idk how you're assuming people tilt when they can't surrender, but it would be evened out either way.

I can tell you that mine would drop at the very least.

Would be safest not to play for fear of being tempted to dance at baron, leave the game, or (best case scenario) try but ultimately fail when the game starts to go downhill.

LoL's "You win as many games as you lose" system isn't as perfect as people would like to believe.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

You don't even play Ranked, so it's easy for you to dis the imperfect system. It's much more accurate in Ranked play.

Blade of Justic1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=i5oEYh9p,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-15T04:24:34.494+0000)

You don't even play Ranked

And thank god for that.

Blood pressure would be through the roof.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

It's probably not as bad as you think. You should at least do the 10 placement matches for this season so you can get your icon and border.

Blade of Justic2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=i5oEYh9p,comment-id=0002000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-15T04:28:56.224+0000)

It's probably not as bad as you think. You should at least do the 10 placement matches for this season so you can get your icon and border.

Nope. People don't judge your plays/calls/opinions when you're unranked.

Thanks but no thanks.

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

People would win and lose more games based on their gameplay rather than their perception of where the game was headed.

WyvernEgg2 votes

That's all I ask

LaceUp231 votes

Don't forget that we have to sit in games with afks.

illusydara2 votes

I don't know what to do here. I want to upvote the first line, but downvote the second. =/

WyvernEgg2 votes

Then make a comment saying what you thi-- oh wait....

illusydara1 votes

LOL

For the record; I almost never vote for surrender because I think we'll lose. I do it when multiple people are being so friggin toxic that I just hate playing with them and want a new game ASAP. Also, people that want to surrender don't bother me; people that get pissed when they can't surrender and try to sabotage the rest of the game bother the hell out of me.

It's really good advice (the first part =P). Comebacks happen, and to me it feels like you're robbing the enemy of the victory they earned when you take the cowards way out. I'll close with a quote from one of my favorite books:

Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit into Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day.

WyvernEgg1 votes

So then when you surrender those toxic people wont be in the Q for awhile. doesn't that sound great?

illusydara1 votes

....but...

...

STOP TRYING TO LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION!

I choose to invoke my 5th amendment rights...

WyvernEgg1 votes

Heck if you have enough toxic people on your team they'll all pick yes and you pick no and you wont get the punishment so you can keep playing. and if they decide to be stubborn jerks and afk at base or feed until the games over then you can actually report them.

Dragfin2 votes

{quoted}

Seriously stop. No ones learning anything when you keep surrendering at 20

@Riot. Make it so if you agree to surrender a game you can't play for the next 15 min.

I like that idea. Let them have their surrender option but they do not get to que up for the next 15 minutes and the wait goes up like the dodge wait. Maybe then people will stop abusing the surrender button and actually work to get better at the game so the scenarios these idiots give as reasons to surrender never happen in the first place.

WyvernEgg1 votes

Maybe I went overboard with 15 min. make it like.. 5-10 min

Fowus1 votes

they could learn something more useful instead of wasting their time working for nothing but a loss

WyvernEgg1 votes

Surrenders shouldn't just be thrown around like they are. I just want people to think twice about giving up. Maybe just put what I suggested in ranked games and not normals. I'm really sick of people spamming surrender votes when everyone else thinks we can win. and then the constant spam of surrendering just destroys everyone's focus.

LaceUp231 votes

Then stop feeding.

WyvernEgg1 votes

What if I'm winning and want to learn how to close a game? but the enemy keeps surrendering. So then when I finally get an enemy that wont surrender in a game that matters. I don't know how to close the game and they end up winning because of it.

LaceUp231 votes

Except that doesn't happen often enough at all to even be an issue...so no.

WyvernEgg1 votes

Man I wish I was playing in your games then

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