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Dear jungler, from an ADC main.

Mimy··26 votes·3,157 views

I have read your pleas on the board and I hereby promise to no longer take your jungle camps.

(I only really took golems if I was being lane bullied and the enemy laners deny me CS. If I am not able to get out from my turret, golems seem pretty tempting..)

Other then that I never really took other jungle camps. But I have noticed that many people do take your camps, and I won't take your golems anymore.

The only other thing I would like to say is, I know you need like the first couple of reds, but if there is ever a time when your willing to give me red, Ping me and then ping the red buff signaling you're giving me the red buff, otherwise I will leave it alone. Some junglers have done this I was confused my frist time but I picked up what they were saying pretty quickly. Most junglers don't usually say/ping anything..

But, what if there was a chance me and the support could snatch the enemies red buff? Is that free game?

Usually if me, the support, and the jungler are tanking enemy red buff I usually back off on the last few hits and see if the jungler takes it, and if they start to leave it alone I know that's the signal to go for it.

Also.. in botlane..

Idk im a little ehh on some things...

I know some people are like "If jungler gets the kill dont tax"

Idk.. if either you get a double kill, we both get one kill, or I get a doublekill or in other rare cases the support takes a kill.... or 2.... o-o lol

I guess what im saying is... **Would it be best to push for botlane turret if both the enemy botlaners die? ** I guess it depends on the situation..

most junglers come in, gank(Get/give kills, or just scare them off lol), tax, and leave... and sometimes im like "But I really just wanna get this turret already.. T-T" If we kill both botlaners...

Anyways... Tell me what you think. :3

57 Comments

Trick1F16 votes

At first I thought this was going to be a troll thread. But props to you mate.

As a jungle main I would say a lot of this is fluid and subjective. The jungler really does need his camps, especially gromps for the tanks after cinderhulk/5.5 patch. As for red buff, unless the jungler is literally carrying the game the buff usually goes to the adc right as the laning phase is starting to end. Enemy red buff is ALWAYS up for grabs unless it's a lvl 1 invade.

Taxing the lane is weird to me. I still don't believe in it much as a jungler. It's one thing to last hit while a solo laner is backing, but you'll find that taxing really comes down to the individual views of the jungler each time.

As for pushing the lane, I always think in solo queue it's a good idea to push the lane if you 2-0 the enemy bot lane. More global gold and more control over dragon.

Hope this helps!

Mimy1 votes

I guess it's play style. Everyone is different. But usually all junglers tax lane. Tho if you don't I'm sure your team is sometimes very greatful

Chessburger1 votes

Depends on what you think taxing is. If the jungler ganks, gets the kill, most of the time it's really beneficial to fast push the wave into tower so that the enemy loses a wave and the wave resets. If the jungler comes and ganks and the enemy uses a summoner they sometimes take like 3 last hits for their trouble and are on their way. If they come and just last hit for no reason without an objective take being in mind then they're just douches. (or you stole 2 of their side camps and they can't do anything because you've forced them into being extremely time inefficient.)

AbodyHUN6661 votes

On I usually take cs from the lane if the laner would miss it, or when we want to push it onto the tower, and sometimes I spam some skills on Zac to regain some health. Otherwise I don't really tax.

ZylotheWolfbane3 votes

It kinda depends on the jungle champ, for all of those situations. Some junglers really need/love having red buff for themselves, so they can actually use it better than the ADC in most cases, so they can chase better. Usually the jungler will take red buff for himself consistently until the teamfights start becoming really heavy, and people group more. In a teamfight situation the ADC usually uses the red buff better. So once people start grouping, you can generally start asking for red buff. If you can get to the enemy's red buff safely? The ADC should take it, because the jungler can take their own red buff.

As for pushing lanes/towers with junglers, certain junglers do it better than others. People like Xin, Jarvan, Vi, and Master Yi are extremely good at taking towers, so if you're jungler is one of them, and you get a double kill bot lane, ask them to help push tower, especially if dragon is down. If dragon is up you should do that instead of course, but if it's down, take the tower. Some junglers, especially tanky junglers aren't as good at taking towers, Zax, Nautilus, Sejuani, they aren't strong tower pushers, so unless the tower is already at less than 50% or so HP, then it might be better to just invade their jungle some, or even 3-man roam mid, try to get a kill there, and maybe take mid turret with 4 people.

Mimy2 votes

Ah yes. I forgot that every jungle is indeed different. This is all very wonderful advice. I'll try to keep this in mind for future games.

Trick1F1 votes

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Ah yes. I forgot that every jungle is indeed different. This is all very wonderful advice. I'll try to keep this in mind for future games.

Yeah, it definitely depends on the jungler. My teammates are either worshiping my God-like carry or cursing me as a noob jungler. Usually one of the two :P

Mimy1 votes

Well you can't carry every game. Everyone has bad games now and then so I try not to get mad at my team because I know how it is..

There are games where I can go 25/2 as an adc...

Then there are other games were alls I do is feed feed feed....

A game where you always have a chance to do good or bad, sitting on a high horse one game and then getting put back in your place the next. xD

Dr Rammus3 votes

Ok Rammus

Mimy1 votes

Alright

ReiAngel2 votes

I say hell yes! If your jungler just came bot lane and the enemy bot laners are gone then go for it!! That's a wee (reduced to like 150g) bit more gold in your teams pockets and one less turrent to push. As long as u guys have some vision in blue jungle side i think all would be good. :)

I also try not to take anything from my jungler (if on the rare occasion im forced away from my support role) unless i ask. Unless they have the red buff already from taking the enemy's, then i take ours to ensure the enemy jungler doesn't come and take it.

Mimy3 votes

Ah so your a support main? Good on you. And as an adc main.. thank you for keeping us safe. Even if we do stupid things. Haha but like the other guy said. When you get both botlaners. Tower or dragon The ultimate queation.. lol

M0RDEKA1SER2 votes

I main Udyr Jungle. Honestly, I keep dragon as my top priority. I'll only gank if there's more than 1:30 left on dragon. Less than that, I'm setting up wards and killing the scuttlebug.

Reason being? I except people to be able to hold their lanes and do it well. I also expect them not to overextend into the enemy turrets so that the enemy jg can gank them. As long as a match is going the standard way, I'll have 2 dragons down before most Jg have even taken their first. By the time they come looking for it, it's on it's second respawn timer.

After I get that second dragon, I'm a little more trigger-happy. With the first two buffs, you should have no problem pushing the towers yourself, but I'll be more likely to come help.

I've recently come to the conclusion that all Udyr is good for is jungling, so I've started branching out and trying other champions. Had to go back a little ways to find some matches where you'll see I'm rather objective focused.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1762660980/214711465?tab=overview

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1760898072/214711465?tab=overview

Mimy1 votes

Usually I don't expect junglers to come in often, I just usually leave it up to them..

But if im getting bullied at botlane, their jungler has ganked us at leadt 2-3 times.. I may be pinging my turret asking for assistance. xD

Because sometimes it take one gank to just get you going if you're having a tough time..

Getting those early dragons, is really helpful because as an ADC, you get that attack boost(First dragon) early, it may be just as helpful as getting a small gank because that perhaps allows me to out damage the other carry. So If I have a BF sword with that first dragon, and they only have a pickaxe.. Oh yea... time to engage.. Granted its a good situation..

junglerboy161 votes

Yeah, sometimes one gank is all it takes, but sometimes spending time ganking a losing lane is wasted time. Junglers as a whole have to make decisions about that kind of thing moment to moment throughout the match; "Is this lane winning? Would ganking get them to win harder?" and "This lane is losing, would ganking get them caught up or is it a lost cause and I should focus the lane that's ahead already?".

Most of the time though, unless you're playing a really strong sustain+powerclear jungler, you need to gank bot lane and then go to drag, because soloing it is usually too risky/time consuming, in which case the ADC should be glad to help with drag after a gank, to get them even more ahead.

aaronconlin2 votes

When jungling, if I don't need red I give it to the ADC if they can afford to leave lane for it. As far as pushing if you get a double kill, that depends on the situation. How low are the three of us (if all three survived), where is the enemy jungler? Where is the enemy mid? Would it be better for you to stall and continue to farm a winning lane or push and start roaming? Is dragon up? Most times I'd rather get help with dragon than push a tower if I know you'll be able to continue to win lane

Mimy1 votes

I forgot dragon! That's right. Good to secure that and get the tower when I can.

S H A Y C 02 votes

When i jungle i dont mind if they take some of the minor camps, just dont take my blue/red without asking...that hurts me as a jungler. I depend on the health from the red and the passive buffs for ganking, and for god sakes if im diana jungle get the F off my blue...if i dont offer it to you, assume its mine for the remainder. If the enemy blue is up, you can have it and i will swoop in ward the crap out of the area and help you take it.

Besides that, as another jungler side note, leave the raptor camp alone ffs! The jungler needs the raptor buff to clear wards and have more successful ganks...just dont touch it....ever. take the wolfs, krugs, hell even the gromp i can live without mid to late game, but guys...raptors...MINE! you no touchy!

Mimy1 votes

Big props to you who can jungle. It's my most hated role. And I didn't know raptors did that. I don't jungle. But with that buff it seems important for junglers.

S H A Y C 01 votes

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Big props to you who can jungle. It's my most hated role. And I didn't know raptors did that. I don't jungle. But with that buff it seems important for junglers.

Yeah its a pretty big deal. Its fine for anyone to take a small camp here and there, no biggy..but from a pure math perspective it equates to less gold for the team. Jungle items give them an extra like 30gold for large monster kill and that includes the scuttle crab. so while you may need it, and its ok if you do, in the end the jungler will gain so much more for it.

As another aside i have been working on a new jungle style, i started with shyvanna and i think it may be possible to do it with reksai or any other energy/manaless jungler.

Jungle Support:

with shyvanna i am able to tank the blue, give away my first blue, run straight to red and give away my first red...and then proceed to hit level 3 back safely and continue gifting every buff i can get people to take..for some reason when i do this they dont want them..go figure. With shyvanna insane point and click power farming its easy for me to do this and then counter jungle for buffs of my own.

In the end the only problem i see is that...its shyvanna :( her ganks arent very good and doesnt add too much to the team imo

Mimy1 votes

Omg

I wanted to try that kind of support jungle before. But with me being so bad at jungle I got daunted away from it. Sad to hear shy vans isn't a strong gaNker. Perhaps this might work with other tank ppl due to cinderhulk?

S H A Y C 01 votes

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Omg

I wanted to try that kind of support jungle before. But with me being so bad at jungle I got daunted away from it. Sad to hear shy vans isn't a strong gaNker. Perhaps this might work with other tank ppl due to cinderhulk?

I was considering reksai like this as a tank jungler...his ganks are much better and has nice cc for team fights along with some sustain in and aoe clear in the jungle.

Messaiga2 votes

This is actually a well thought out post. Coming from somebody who constantly plays jungle (and riding a certain scarecrow that gives free wins) these would be my thoughts on what you said:

About taxing, I only do that if I didn't get the kill and even then I take like maybe 1 or two CS (I forget a lot). It is extremely beneficial to have your jungler help push the wave though so if they get CS while doing that they probably aren't there for the XP or gold (more so to deny the enemy XP and gold). Turrets are also very good to get if you can kill it early as it massively increases your dragon control and global gold.

With red buff I'll give any red buff after the 2nd red to my ADC (so long as they aren't doing horribly). I like the first two usually because it enhances clear speeds, HP regen, and the slow on-hit is great for ganks. Afterward if the ADC needs it (or I think they do) then I'll ping them if they are within a reasonable distance. Its easier to do this on the blue side than red side.

With jungle camps... I'd prefer it if people don't take them. Unless I'm ahead, then my farm from the jungle means a lot to me (I don't care much if you take Gromp or Krugs if I start at the top side at the very beginning since they will be up again by the time I get to farming around there) and it will be a large chunk of my gold and XP income. I can understand if you need like one camp to finish an item but taking more than one camp when there is a minion wave nearby is just kind of selfish in my opinion.

Lastly (as a comment to my own personal experience) I find that the best way to help make bot laners understand this (and any laners in general), I just need to be polite and straight-forward toward them. Jungle's a role about getting your team to trust you more than anything, you carry your teammates so that later they can carry you. If you end up pissing everyone on your team off cause somebody stole one or two jungle camps then you will likely lose due to break down of communication. Likewise, if your laners get mad because you take a few CS while pushing the wave for them (or even rushing the turret) then a similar thing will happen and nothing will get accomplished.

TL;DR When everyone cooperates instead of getting mad due to misunderstanding, you're going to get more accomplished with less sacrifices.

Mimy2 votes

Full agreement on that communication thing!

Also helps to keep a level head and not get too angry at your team.

and this may just be a girl thing but.. state your feelings sincerely and sometimes people listen and surprise you. :)

Rivvy1 votes

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I have read your pleas on the board and I hereby promise to no longer take your jungle camps.

(I only really took golems if I was being lane bullied and the enemy laners deny me CS. If I am not able to get out from my turret, golems seem pretty tempting..)

Other then that I never really took other jungle camps. But I have noticed that many people do take your camps, and I won't take your golems anymore.

The only other thing I would like to say is, I know you need like the first couple of reds, but if there is ever a time when your willing to give me red, Ping me and then ping the red buff signaling you're giving me the red buff, otherwise I will leave it alone. Some junglers have done this I was confused my frist time but I picked up what they were saying pretty quickly. Most junglers don't usually say/ping anything..

But, what if there was a chance me and the support could snatch the enemies red buff? Is that free game?

Usually if me, the support, and the jungler are tanking enemy red buff I usually back off on the last few hits and see if the jungler takes it, and if they start to leave it alone I know that's the signal to go for it.

Also.. in botlane..

Idk im a little ehh on some things...

I know some people are like "If jungler gets the kill dont tax"

Idk.. if either you get a double kill, we both get one kill, or I get a doublekill or in other rare cases the support takes a kill.... or 2.... o-o lol

I guess what im saying is... **Would it be best to push for botlane turret if both the enemy botlaners die? ** I guess it depends on the situation..

most junglers come in, gank(Get/give kills, or just scare them off lol), tax, and leave... and sometimes im like "But I really just wanna get this turret already.. T-T" If we kill both botlaners...

Anyways... Tell me what you think. :3

Junglers are subpar non-thinkers and will not understand this message. They'll dive the enemy ADC and feed them 5 kills and blame it on you.

Mimy12 votes

Silly goose. Not all junglers are bad. And even if they are they try. You can't get better at a role unless you practice :)

Rivvy1 votes

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Silly goose. Not all junglers are bad. And even if they are they try. You can't get better at a role unless you practice :)

Junglers will always be subpar.

MasterSeth202510 votes

This guys entire profile is posts about how bad jungle mains are and that they should just "suck it up and counter jungle or something"

Sinlaire3 votes

As a Jungler Main my opinion of justifiable lane tax comes in 3 forms:

  1. defending ally turret from a creep wave that is currently or imminently dealing it damage.

  2. Pushing creep wave into enemy tower in an attempt to TAKE said tower. not just lane shoving. this penalizes bot as it leaves them overextended for enemy jungle and leaves them CS'ing under enemy tower until it neutralizes to mid lane again.

  3. shaky ground but; after successfully setting up a gank but NOT getting the kill as the jungler. They get kill gold. i get a minion or 3 for setting up your kill. if the creep wave is somewhere in the middle and you die as adc, i leave the wave to the support an be on my way.

because the support has no major lane shoving potential and without the adc, they dont need to worry about feeding the adc while they respawn nor about pushing the lane too far. it helps them much more to be left the lane than for you to take it in tax even though you opened up a trade instead of a gank.

so for #3. Gank = Tax. Trade = No Tax

junglerboy161 votes

Say that again after you get fed 10 kills by ganks. Or watch the LCS and see how the Jungler is usually the shot-caller, playmaker, and has the highest impact in the whole game. Maybe the rank you are playing at you just run into bad players, but guess what? I'm a jungle main, I'm not always perfect, but I have seen more than my fair share of "subpar non-thinkers" in mid lane, bot lane, top and support, and I myself am a very logical, calculated person.

Please have the decency not to make ungrounded and hateful generalizations, all it does is make you look like you don't have any brain cells to spare on the topic at hand, while insulting many other people needlessly.

Rivvy1 votes

{quoted}

Say that again after you get fed 10 kills by ganks. Or watch the LCS and see how the Jungler is usually the shot-caller, playmaker, and has the highest impact in the whole game. Maybe the rank you are playing at you just run into bad players, but guess what? I'm a jungle main, I'm not always perfect, but I have seen more than my fair share of "subpar non-thinkers" in mid lane, bot lane, top and support, and I myself am a very logical, calculated person.

Please have the decency not to make ungrounded and hateful generalizations, all it does is make you look like you don't have any brain cells to spare on the topic at hand, while insulting many other people needlessly.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50283301#matches "i'm a jungle main"

junglerboy163 votes

What's your point? I don't get it.

If you're questioning that I main jungle just because I have recent matches in ARAM and some other roles, then you are even less perceptive than I thought. Guess what? I let people who calls role first play it. If somebody calls jungle I'm not just gonna dodge the queue because I main it, because they could very well also be a jungle main. It's called being polite, and a lot of the time it lets my whole team cooperate better together. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Kapppaccino1 votes

{quoted}

What's your point? I don't get it.

If you're questioning that I main jungle just because I have recent matches in ARAM and some other roles, then you are even less perceptive than I thought. Guess what? I let people who calls role first play it. If somebody calls jungle I'm not just gonna dodge the queue because I main it, because they could very well also be a jungle main. It's called being polite, and a lot of the time it lets my whole team cooperate better together. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Where are the people like this in my champ select?

junglerboy161 votes

The best way to guarantee that there is always someone like this in your champ select is to be that person. It goes a long way towards teamwork if you are friendly, even if you get no response and have to communicate via pings alone.

Kapppaccino1 votes

{quoted}

The best way to guarantee that there is always someone like this in your champ select is to be that person. It goes a long way towards teamwork if you are friendly, even if you get no response and have to communicate via pings alone.

I always fill .-. The few times I wanna play something I actually wanna play I ask for it and someone instalocks :( In the last month I've probably been able to call top lane like twice .

Sinlaire1 votes

must be hard to be you then. due to your earlier statement in which you claim "Jungler's will always be supbar" the use of always means that by definition, there are zero exceptions to the rule stated within the sentence in which it was used. which means that even as, and most especially as, a person whom has just claimed that they are "jungler main" and provided proof of which, you have now just included yourself in the blanket statement saying that all junglers are sub par from which there is no escape.

May the Lords of League some day smile upon you when you finally learn how to play on par the the rest of us decent folk and not as some pitiable jungler.

junglerboy161 votes

He was actually posting a link to my match history because I had said I was a jungle main and my match history has a lot of recent matches in ARAM, mid, and ADC along with jungle, which made him assume I was lying (which makes no sense).

Summonerrr 11 votes

Communication OP.

All joking aside, good communication as to what camps the jungler wants to take and which one's he's OK'd you to take, enemy jungle as a FFZ or not, etc. is important.

I enjoy games where junglers are very active in lanes and rotate out camps to carries that can use them more than games where the jungler is super passive about roaming, teamfighting, etc.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

Then you'd like my Rammus. Hit lvl 3, start ganking, and never stop. Rito nerfed the Powerball Cooldown specifically to stop me from killing top then immediately going mid to kill that too, I need to wait a bit. Less up time in between ganks they said...

Immobile Carry1 votes

With my main being Kog'Maw I know how tempting golems are when you are trapped under turret... so instead of taking the camp all the time when I find myself in this position, I only take it half the time. You know, to help out half the junglers. :)

DorkunedAuras1 votes

I would tell you as a non-jungler is to make sure you're aware of the types of junglers and who likes what camps. Because each camp gives a buff when smited, each jungler wants something different. I'll roll over each then talk about who likes them for reference.

Krugs: every 6 AAs against monsters will stun for 1.5 seconds. Super useful for champs like MasterYi, Warwick, and Udyr who hardfarm the jungle early, though they don't get much use from this later one. This is probably the best camp to take once laning is over, as the buff isn't useful in fights.

Raptors: Single use oracles for spotting out a ward. DO NOT TAKE THIS WITHOUT ASKING!!! This gives us assistance while ganking, so they can spot wards, helps later on for cleaning out wards, and is always a useful buff. PLEASE LET US KEEP THIS, IT HELPS THE TEAM SO MUCH!!

Wolves: Releases a little spirit into the jungle that gives vision and chases enemies. This one is fairly ok to take, though the free ward is super nice to help spot out when enemies are invading. I'd say don't take if the enemy might invade, more forgivable a take if you're controlling the enemy and map well.

Gromp: Deals a DoT effect to all enemies that attack the champion. Late game this can get above 200 damage. If you have a tank jungler, NEVER TAKE THIS FROM THEM. People like Rammus get so much damage off of this that they try to have that up as much as possible. If your jungler is something like MasterYi, then it's much more ok to take his because he doesn't play to take much damage, and doesn't really benefit from the DoT.

All in all, making sure you know the buffs can really help you make informed decisions on what to take if you have to take something (say 100 gold off of IE). Since I'm a Rammus main, I rarely clear my jungle, instead getting most of my gold off of ganks. I'm typically giving away blues from 2 onward, and I keep my reds for ganks until we start teamfighting where adc uses it best (though I never give buffs away to someone who I think will just die and give it away without getting good usage). I love my gromps and raptors, and the other two are useful but expendable. Just ask and I'll be glad to say yea or nay.

Partholonian1 votes

There is one time it's ok to take gromp when your jungler is a tank: when you know that they have just stolen the enemy's gromp. 2x raptors can actually be really useful if you find a ward with the enemy's raptor buff and then take your own too, but gromp doesn't stack.

Other than that, though, leave it alone.

P.S. If you want your jungler to stay for tower, target ping the tower. A lot of laners get upset when you push their lane, even if it's to take tower, so many junglers have learned not to push without the laner's permission (even if they think it would be helpful, it's not helpful if it starts your team fighting each other and not cooperating).

DorkunedAuras1 votes

(again, this perspective is coming from a Rammus main)

After a solid top gank, where the enemy dies, I almost always push out the lane and try to take the tower. In top more than any other lane, taking the tower frees up the laner to roam, so I like to try and get him to that point of roaming. I don't do this for a Nasus though, for obvious reasons. I also need all the gold I can get, as my jungle clear is hardly fast or good.

In Mid with a comparable gank, I usually just clear out and let the laner take the farm, as they're gonna carry us later, only going after the tower if it's low or they ping it.

In bot, I do the same thing, clearing out unless there's a good reason to go after the turret.

In any lane, if my laner is backing after the gank, I do take the wave to the tower to deny the enemy farm, unless I know my laner will TP right back.

Again, there is no universal rule for this kind of thing, just play it on a case by case basis.

Kapppaccino1 votes

Ehh. When I adc and I'm ahead I would actually rather have the turret up as long as possible. I'm guaranteed more kills when they keep coming back to lane. And it's a lot less riskier diving first tower then the second tower(more room to escape and less chances of getting ganked) only time I'll take tower is if enemy starts roaming or minions take it lol

ActuallyArrow1 votes

You leash me to get red buff early, I'll leash you to get red buff late.

bulldoggamer1 votes

The way i see it, as someone who plays adc and jung quite frequently, the little golem always free game, but if i'm building devourer's blade please leave the big one i need my stacks. Other than that if you feel like you need it more feel free to take any camps just be smart about it.

Budupops1 votes

first of all adc mains need to learn how to right click, just had a game where the adc did less damage than support http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1768635028/213915290?tab=overview

Mimy1 votes

Looked at your ADC's build, based off item placement they rushed shiv...

Could be why. haha

Shiv and or boots make horrible rushed items for ADCs

Budupops1 votes

lol just noticed she was running attack dmg glyphs and ms masteries, why does my bot always lose lane

DiamondAries1 votes

I for one never "tax" lane. I seriously think that it is a matter of it's not your lane, so don't take it. It's the same with the jungle camps and laners though. It's not your jungle, so don't take it (although, the enemy's jungle is everyone's jungle, so that's okay). The only time I will attack minions is:

  1. They died/recalled/ganked another lane so I will cover and stop lane from getting shoved by opponent

  2. There is a massive minion wave pushing a lane so I will deal with it if I am the closest

  3. I will help deal with the last couple of minions in a wave to speed up the pushing of the tower, which I will help with until the minions are gone. Even though I will attack them, I will always refrain from last hitting and stealing the gold.

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After watching Bard:Mountain I'll never call his E Magical Journey..
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63
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Grammar people on boards be like,
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53
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Saw this on Surr@20 and fliped out..
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How to farm down votes...
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