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PSA: Stop the Witch Hunts

A Liberal··17 votes·1,119 views

Please stop calling out specific rioters in posts?

Lyte, CertainlyT, Morello, Meddler, ect. ect, should not have to deal with all of your guys's petty arguments.

How would you like it if you couldn't even participate in the community that you had such a large impact on creating because the minute you show up in the boards you are immediately bombarded by insults. I literally just saw somebody call Lyte uneducated, and another call him a "Hypocritical lying bitch". The community on large complains about the "Radio Silence" on issues, and I would take a gander a majority of that is because it seems none of you people can have a civilized and educated discussion without degrading into insults and finger pointing.

Why is this necessary? You wouldn't post somebody who upset you in a game's name on the boards asking for people to join into a circle jerk of hate, so why do it to Rioters? What is the goal of this? They won't lose their jobs, they won't change their opinions, all you are doing is turning them against us as a community more and more. This attitude is exactly why they don't talk to us on here, we can't handle it.

Seriously guys, maybe if we stopped trying to blame everything on one person, disregarding the fact that Riot Games is a HUGE team of developers, and no one person has complete control over anything, they might actually come on and discuss things with us once in a while.

TL;DR: Rioters are people too, show some compassion and treat them as such.

24 Comments

Arcade Andrew4 votes

Morello and Cert T are actually really good at their job and awesome, lyte? He's good at what he does, but sometimes I feel he doesn't listen to the community, he just does something and never listens to feedback or throws it out as an idea first meddler is alright, although I don't see him post much

Gunslinger7444 votes

You did not just say CertainlyT is good at what he does. Go to the time out corner.

Arcade Andrew2 votes

Down vote a post on a thread that says you should stop bashing rioters, yet upvote a guy that says he sucks at his job... Ok than

Trylobyte3 votes

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You did not just say CertainlyT is good at what he does. Go to the time out corner.

CertainlyT's job is to design champions with new, unique mechanics. He does that exceptionally well. They're not always released in a balanced state, but that's not his fault specifically - There's a whole chain between 'concept' and 'release.'

Boulderox2 votes

game artist here :D

the pipline isn't only this way but probably something like this: goes down through concept > kit discussion and tweaks > to modeling the 3d in game asset, to texturing the character > rigging the character (give it bones), to animating the bones > sound > ability effects > to coding into the game/engine so that every asset works and runs fine > bug fixes > release.

Dextix LT1 votes

They are NEVER in a balanced state, and he makes broken champions. Look at ekko, at tahm (before buffs). These are unique but not broken champs.

Trylobyte1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dextix LT,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=bR0PitEO,comment-id=0001000000010001,timestamp=2015-10-16T16:52:26.594+0000)

They are NEVER in a balanced state, and he makes broken champions. Look at ekko, at tahm (before buffs). These are unique but not broken champs.

Tahm Kench complaints were in vogue as recently as last week and Ekko had a boatload of them when he came out before Tank Ekko got nerfed.

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He tends to design "new, unique mechanics" by the dozens and tries to fit them all into one champion. Resulting in such classics as Yasuo Kalista Thresh

There's no consideration for "maybe this combination is just a little oppressive." or "Now X just does Y's job but 10x better". He's like a child on a sugar high.

"He's a superhero that shoots lasers that blow up the earth and then make a black hole that destroys the universe but he can survive and he's also faster than light and he can see sound and hear colors and he can kill any bad guy in one hit and then he becomes infinitely more powerful and and and"

That's CertainlyT's champion design process.

Thresh is a staple of bot lane, but he's not OP by any stretch of the imagination. He's pretty much become the 'boring average' that other supports get compared to. He still sees a lot of play, though, largely because he's a very safe champion who has good utility on a low budget. It's hard to go wrong picking Thresh.

Darius was trash-tier for a long time until the Juggernaut rework, which I'm pretty sure CertainlyT wasn't responsible for (as he was reworking Fiora). Numbers were high on release but that got nerfed and without those numbers his kit wasn't enough to save him.

Zyra is generally agreed to be crap.

Yasuo has his ups and downs. He was generally agreed to be weak on release, then he got buffs, then he exploded, then he got nerfs, then he calmed down again... He still hasn't settled, and he does well when he has a team comp built around him, but on his own he isn't the enormous problem a lot of people think he is. Blind-pick him in ranked, see how much your team hates you.

Kalista is annoying as hell but not especially overpowered. I think she's more of a champion that most people simply don't know how to deal with because of her different movement pattern and playstyle.

Rework Fiora came out strong in the numbers department, but that's the balance team's fault, not his. The ultimate was poorly-implemented and that's being fixed - Maybe now Fiora will have to put herself at risk to get the most out of it instead of popping it just for the heal.

Dextix LT1 votes

Their inbalance was in numbers. CertainlyT champions inbalance is in their kits which are broken. Look at Thresh. You can remove all damage from him, and still his utility would keep him one of the best supports in the game.

There is a difference when a champ has unbalanced numbers and kits. The first one is natural and changes with the meta, it is easy to fix. The second one is the fault of the creatir, and the only way to fix a broken kit, is a rework, which is hard.

Dextix LT1 votes

Thresh Is a staple because hes the best. The only thing he doesnt have is a heal, which can be fixed with 1 item. If he wasnt the best we would see a lot more support champions on bot lane, not only threshes in almost all of the games. His overloaded kit is what made him broken.

Darius Was never trash tier, he countered and still counters about 90% of all melle champions because of his kit. Again, his broken kit allowed him to counter a whole champion class!

Zyra His first champion, the only reason she is not good is because of outdated plants and all the manners of bugs she still has while it is also paired with really bad numbers.

Yasuo His kit is overloaded. The only way to ever make him balanced was to make his numbers utter shit, but even that wasnt enough. He single handedly counters almost all skillshot mages.

Kalista Her passive is broken. And again, you know why she isnt the top dog anymore? Because of her number changes. She single handedly counters any melle champs and skillshot champs.

Do you see a pattern here? CertainlyT champions kits are made in a way that theycould counter an ENTIRE CLASS of champions. The only way to keep those champions in balance is to make their numbers utter shit so that only a REALLY good player could utilize them.

The kits are obiviously a problem, toxic and impposible to balance.

Trylobyte1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dextix LT,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=bR0PitEO,comment-id=000100000001000100000001,timestamp=2015-10-16T17:36:27.675+0000) Do you see a pattern here? CertainlyT champions kits are made in a way that theycould counter an ENTIRE CLASS of champions. The only way to keep those champions in balance is to make their numbers utter shit so that only a REALLY good player could utilize them.

The kits are obiviously a problem, toxic and impposible to balance.

You know who counters melee champions even harder than Kalista? Vayne, with her tumble, stealth, knockback, and Silver Bolts. Or maybe Caitlyn with her self-knockback, traps, and enormous range. How about Tristana with her rocket jump and buster shot? Or Ashe and her free perma-slow? And those are just ADCs.

If pre-rework Darius were more of a counter to all melees then why didn't we see him more when champions like Irelia and Maokai were more in vogue? Why didn't we see him being used to counter notorious menaces like Riven? Maybe because he sucked out of lane and didn't offer as much to the team?

Yasuo, from what I've read and seen, is not a great pick unless he has help from his team. If you can dodge his Qnado then he can't use his ultimate, and he's a super-fragile melee on top of that. I don't doubt that he's irritating, but so is LeBlanc, and she'll kill you a whole lot faster. People kill her, people kill him, it's all good.

It's almost like CertainlyT realizes the game isn't balanced around 1v1 matchups.

Dextix LT1 votes

Even vayne counters melle champs less. Vayne doesnt have a slow, and neither can she tumble every second, also even her blots are capped, and her cc is situational. Caitlyn has only 1 long cd "dash" and traps are super easy to avoid. Tristana has only 1 long cd "dash".

Caitlyn and Tristana, while they have better range and are overally safer, cannot kite as kalista can. They can run away from a target, but when they need to stick to a target they have a problem, kalista doesnt.

About darius. You just proved that his design is flawed. He was useless out of lane, but in lane, he was unstoppable. Tell me, is that how a non toxic champ should be? It creates toxic environment for the team that darius is in and the enemy he is playing against.

All of his champions are "fun" to play but hell to play against.

Yasuo is not a god right now because he was made to have shittiest numbers in the universe just to keep him away from the game, again, it shows that his kit is broken because it needs him to be nerfed to the ground not to be op. You cant dodge his qnado because he can easily e/q and there is no way to dodge a knockup like that. Super fragile? Shield that can be proced 3 times and a winwall to block ALL projectiles say no.

CertainlyT makes unbalanced and toxic kits to play against.

A Liberal1 votes

Ekko was pretty OP on release

Dextix LT1 votes

His numbers were, not his kit.

A Liberal1 votes

True, although I would take to say that the only "Imbalanced" CertainlyT champions based solely on kit are Yasuo, Kalista, and Thresh. Darius and Zyra are healthy, (Well Darius as CertainlyT had originally designed him), and the fiora rework just had some overzealous numbers.

It should be noted that Yasuo and Thresh were easily balanced (And are in a healthy spot right now)

Really the only champion I still feel is "imbalanced" is Kalista, and shes healthy for the game, just not healthy for herself IMO. While she has some cool mechanics, it would have been better for Martial Poise and Oathsworn to be on two separate champions. They've gutted her pretty hard (90% AD AA ratio Kalista item 3070 ) so right now she isn't overpowered, but she seems a little mutilated.

That said, there are plenty of other champions who have been extremely hard to balence, whom one buff can send skyrocketing into god tier just because of the sheer power in their kit, including but not limited to:

Akali Cassiopeia Elise Evelynn Irelia Janna Kassadin Kayle Leblanc LeeSin Nidalee Olaf Riven Ryze Sona Soraka Veigar Yorick Zed Zyra

Dextix LT1 votes

Im sorry? Darius is healthy? Before his rework his counterplay was "dont get close to him", you call that a healthy design?

And no, yasuo and thresh are not in a good spot, their kits are still broken. You know the reaso why yasuo lost popularity? Because his numbers were made utter shit just because of his kit. Thats why he is balanced. And thresh is still the best support in the game. You can make his abilities have 0 damage and he would still be one of the best supports in the game, and you want to tell me that overloaded kit is balanced?

Gunslinger7442 votes

He tends to design "new, unique mechanics" by the dozens and tries to fit them all into one champion. Resulting in such classics as Yasuo Kalista Thresh

There's no consideration for "maybe this combination is just a little oppressive." or "Now X just does Y's job but 10x better". He's like a child on a sugar high.

"He's a superhero that shoots lasers that blow up the earth and then make a black hole that destroys the universe but he can survive and he's also faster than light and he can see sound and hear colors and he can kill any bad guy in one hit and then he becomes infinitely more powerful and and and"

That's CertainlyT's champion design process.

Wicked Waffle1 votes

You mean... One Punch Man?

CertainlyT's champions, however annoying and overloaded, require a lot of skill to play. As such, they also have very high outplay potential, as well as ability to be outplayed yourself. Without CertainlyT in LoL, the game would be much more boring. However, CertainlyT does have his faults, like not taking in consideration other champions and "healthy" mechanics, but that just makes him more unique as a game designer.

Gunslinger7441 votes

I did actually have One Punch Man in mind, great manga/anime. As for CertainlyT, well I don't like him one bit so you know, I guess it's a person to person thing.

HentRex3 votes

Well said.

Sincarnation2 votes

This Detix dude just hates those champs and puts their balance on CertainT. He creates cool kits, its the balance team's job to make the numbers work. The only champion he has made with a shitty/flawed design kit wise is Kalista, she couldve/shouldve been a cool tag team marksmen. Now hopping rend machine is her identity.

Dextix LT1 votes

Well maybe is CertainlyT actually didnt fck up for once and created a BALANCED unique champion people wouldnt hate him?

But nooo, its our fault he creates the most broken champs in the game, yeah?

A Liberal2 votes

https://i.imgur.com/tyTc1Nl.jpg

Dextix LT1 votes

Lyte, CertainlyT, Morello, Meddler, ect. ect, should not have to deal with all of your guys's petty arguments.

So, for those who didnt get my point.

If CertainlyT would create balanced champions people wouldnt hate him and wouldnt call him out in posts.

But Riot apologists like you guys, always think that the community started hating on its own for no reason and you want us all to love those guys even though they fck up all the time.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

The problem is they don't really have supporters. They have a lot of haters, a lot of people that don't care, but not many supporters. So they get bombarded by the haters and the people that don't care, well, don't care. The haters are only a fraction of the boards but that fraction is the fraction that posts on their comments instead of skimming over it.

Its not that we all hate them, its that we don't care and the ones that do care hate them.

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