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Would you punish? A question of morals I suppose

WeedTits·11/4/2014, 6:40:17 AM·2 votes·956 views

Let's say you're in a ranked game. Everything is going well, but you notice your Ziggs already seems to have a temper on him, jumping everyone's case on every little thing. A gank that burns a flash but doesn't result in a kill still isn't good enough for him. He rages on your jungler. Your top lane gave up first blood, he's raging on your top laner. Your bot lane is losing, he's raging on your bot lane. Now you're a support main, so you're a pretty chill guy. You avoid toxicity as much as possible. You don't want to argue with this guy, you don't want things to get any worse, but you're pretty much forced to play with this guy. Or are you? Let's say that about 20 minutes in, the game is looking bleak. You're almost positive this is going to be a loss. Not because of the scores, but because of the attitude of the team. You're playing Thresh, and this Ziggs sees you miss a hook. He flips it, goes off on his rant. And then, something happens. Suddenly, your whole team decides it's your fault that this game is going south. Somehow, your top laner gave up first blood because of you, the support, in bot lane. Somehow, you're the reason the ganks didn't work top and mid. Somehow you're the reason your ADC has half the cs of theirs. Even though this Ziggs was berating everyone on the team, they somehow all turn against you. Why this happens, I don't know. Maybe they just want the Ziggs to stop berating them, so they hop on board with the Ziggs to help him scapegoat someone. At in the end, it always comes down to the entire team jumping one person's case. Now sometimes, yeah if a person goes 0/7, they've really put a lot of weight on the team. But is this really the proper solution to it? What does berating that person accomplish? I'll tell you. They go afk. They leave. They get up, and walk away from the computer. Because they don't feel that they should have to put up with this kind of crap. It's against the rules to flame, and it's against the rules to afk. But the afkers get punished far more than the flamers. And yet, they're only going afk because of the flaming.

Would you punish a player for going afk in a game where every single one of his teammates is flaming him? Why or why not? What are your thoughts on this? Why should people be forced to play with rude and toxic players?

13 Comments

BastionKross11/4/2014, 2:55:17 PM4 votes

Absolutely. Your team can be the most obnoxious, toxic, nasty, immoral swine that walks the face of this planet and several others. But you WILL play with them. You're not obligated to listen to their ranting, that's why the mute button exists. You're not obligated to let them keep being jerks, that's why the report option is there. But you ARE obligated to be a team with them until the game ends. That's the summoner's code you agreed to follow.

No exceptions.

Featherztorm11/4/2014, 6:47:29 AM3 votes

Yeah, because that person can easily mute everyone. Case solved. You play the game.

WeedTits11/4/2014, 6:49:37 AM2 votes

Would your opinions of that change if the flamers were TELLING you to go afk and leave?

My main point is that this is a team game. 5 people that have to work together to accomplish anything. What goes through a flamers mind to make them think that berating someone will in any way accomplish anything good? If they're mad because they are losing the game, they should take actions that would help to win it. But then, that's logical thinking, and most people are not logical thinkers. And a mute button will not prevent actions in game. If you're a jungler and your mid hates you, and he decides to follow you around your jungle taking everything you attack, while completely ignoring his lane, how are you supposed to deal with this? Why SHOULD you have to deal with this? I don't want to play a game with a team like this. I'd rather afk and go do something else. And if I get banned for that, then there's something seriously wrong with this game. If this is how it works, it becomes less "how good are you at league" and more "how much crap can you tolerate". League should not be a test of your endurance to people with negative attitudes. It's a game. Meant to be played for fun. And when the game is no longer fun, I should be able to walk away from it without being punished for doing so.

"Just mute" is never going to work. Muting them will not prevent toxic action in-game, and often times will result in a report itself for not communicating with the team. This is a poor, very overused argument.

Drunk Rummate11/4/2014, 3:43:00 PM2 votes

Would you punish a player for going afk in a game where every single one of his teammates is flaming him? Why or why not? What are your thoughts on this? Why should people be forced to play with rude and toxic players?

Yes, I would. You can mute people. It's wholly within your power to ignore them completely.

In the scenario you just described, the best course of action would have been to mute ziggs and anyone else who felt it necessary to put you down, and report them for negative attitude at the end of the game.

There are some rude people in this community. While they are a minority, it's a vocal minority and so it seems like there's more of them. Unless we give accurate and consistent reports, the problem won't go away. Riot has given us the tools to moderate our own community, it's our job to use them.

disregardable11/4/2014, 6:46:44 AM2 votes

There is this thing called a mute button. I know it's not ideal or "perfect" (sometimes people will harass in different ways, etc) but 90% of the time most of your frustration will be gone after you mute your toxic team. Flamers should be punished as much as AFKers, but flamers are not an excuse to AFK. I'd rather have you mute everyone and play it out than leave.

The Mormonator11/4/2014, 6:48:54 AM2 votes

Yes

Eawaf11/4/2014, 5:49:20 PM1 votes

I would not punish. @BastionKross. If they are "the most obnoxious, toxic, nasty, immoral swine that walks the face of this planet and several others." I would absolutely refuse to play with them, wish them ill and run circles around the nexus at base.

I would judge this team unfit to win. And i would not aid them any longer. Who am i to judge you say? Lol i could care less about the consequences beyond the game at this point, If the behavior of your team is as you say OP. Leave them to their fate, accept your punishment and know that you played your part in assuring their loss. In that, there is some solace.

Mecha MaIphite11/4/2014, 10:16:39 PM1 votes

Never, ever give up on a ranked game. It doesn't matter if your team is cancer, people can throw really one-sided games (as I have seen on numerous occasions). Just today, I had a player who picked Fiora into a Pantheon, which is a bit questionable on its own, and blame a farm jungler for refusing to camp her lane. She left because she lost her own lane, despite the fact that literally every person on our team outscaled the respective champ on the opposing team for late game.

Of course, you may not be as cancerous as her, but it's basically the same concept; don't give up, because all you'd be doing is condemning you and your teammates to a loss. Ranked games are the games that count, so there is no reason to quit even if all odds seem to be stacked against you.

Kashedbowl11/4/2014, 10:52:28 PM1 votes

I think that afk reports do not go to the tribunal. they go to an automatic system called leaverbuster. so i guess depending on how that system works will you get punished or not..

Jubbinaut11/5/2014, 12:09:33 AM1 votes

Whether or not I would choose to punish is irrelevant. Leaverbuster handles afks, and it's an automated system. Furthermore, it's a system that seeks out habitual leavers - those that do so with some consistency or regularity - rather than those for whom leaving is an unusual or isolated incident.

So, unless the player in question already had a history of leaving under his belt, he wouldn't be punished when leaving that single game. And if he did, then his punishment wasn't merely for leaving that game, but for all the games he had left prior as well.

Eawaf11/5/2014, 2:31:07 PM1 votes

@BastionKross. Without a system in place that easily lets me know that my report has meant something. There is nothing currently available that lets me know my report has meant anything or been used.

I don't have much faith in Rito to punish in general. I don't even like the way Riot punishes. It is what it is, vigilante w/e. At that point in the game, consequences for one's actions are accepted as worth it.

I'm giving the Original poster an option for what he/she can do during the actual game. I'm giving the original poster an option to take action against the offending party as the action is happening. Will punishment be an outcome of these actions? That is a possibility.

If the poster is anything similar to me, i don't get any solace, any vindication, any satisfaction from turning in a report at the end of the game. It's still that empty void of impotent rage that i have no outlet for.

The only relief I've gotten when I've encountered games like the OP has is to act like I've described before. Where i have a modicum of control. It helps take the edge off.

As far as comments go, yeah thank you! I'm still not familiar with forums in general and especially this new forum xD. I didn't use the feature you described this time because i was to busy reading the other content of the post xD.