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Wish I could try playing at higher elo.

D33PSTAT3··4 votes·1,474 views

Sometimes I just wish there was a way that I could try to play in a Platinum or higher elo just to see how I would do. I'm only Bronze 2 currently but sometimes I think I'm better than that, like many others, and truly believe I belong in gold at least but there's a number of things that hold me back. No not the usual trolls or afks or bad game here and there, that's a given and is to be expected. I'm mainly talking about my internet and work/school schedule. You see I only have about 2 hours at most each night to play league.

I also have iffy internet that sometime decides that today my ping will be 100 above normal. I can't play when someone else is on the internet streaming video. That's how shitty my internet is. I have 2 other siblings who use the internet and I can never tell when they are about to watch netflix or youtube and I cant kick them off because my parents pay for it so obviously I have no right to decide who uses it. These two things make climbing extremely hard. I just want to try just once to play in a high elo game to put my money where my mouth is and see how well I perform, I know this is a pipe dream and will never happen unless I legitimately reach these elos but a man can dream cant he?

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City of Toronto4 votes

Sorry to break it to you, but you don't belong in gold.

I AM VBAD3 votes

u wouldn't like it

DeloricVI1 votes

I can sympathize quite a bit. I see people lose me the game because they do something that no player in platinum, gold, or probably silver for the most part, would consider in their right mind.

Ever have a support that tries to take the enemy's blue buff while they're all alive, missing, and none of the rest of the team are outside of the base?

Yup. Had players that bad. Like... wtf are they thinking? I mean, I know I'm probably bad, but I'm better than.... whatever that is.

disregardable1 votes

I was about to tell you to come to Bronze 5, where the teammates are so bad I wouldn't even judge someone for failing to steal blue- but apparently you already are in Bronze 5.

By the way, your KDA is horrendous. 4/8/11? Seriously? And your CS...

DeloricVI1 votes

It isn't all my team's fault, but in my defense when the other team is fed and my lane is breaking even, it's hard to stay alive when people decide to pop in. For instance, I'm breaking even in mid, the enemy can't roam because the wave is staying centered. If they leave, the lane will push way too far. I'm doing pretty well, but when the junger has 10 kills, 4 levels on me, and 3 more items? No matter how safely I play, I'm going to get wrecked if he decides to pay me a visit, especially if I'm playing a champion with a slow laning phase like Veigar. I do my best to play defensively when I hear other lanes getting fed, but there's a point to where it doesn't matter.

I also suppose that my cs might be a little low if I die a lot. Might be the reason.

Yeah, my positioning isn't best and I could do with warding a bit more, but I'm not making terrible choices like the ones I mentioned. They're not just "stealing blue," they're doing it under near-suicidal circumstances.

Not to mention half the time I'm a few steps ahead of people when it comes to making decisions. For instance first pick doesn't ban Katarina, so the enemy team instalocks her... naturally. She roams bot, picks up a double kill because bot lane 1) didn't listen to my 4 missing pings and 7 warning pings, and 2) didn't think it would be a great idea to build magic resist... because Katarina's going to stay mid until it's time for teamfights, right? After that my junger says "hey build magic resist," when I already build merc treads and void staff. And they wonder why I start to feed when Katarina has no resource, I have to manage my mana, she has 1 level and 2 items on me.

I see junglers that don't farm their camps all the time and wonder why their ganks suck... it's because you have like 27 cs at 13 minutes in. I jungle Sion and I do way better than that, so they can't just hide behind excuses when they're playing "real" junglers that have been jungled for like... ever.

Say what you will about my k/d/a, but that's not everything, and individual skill is not the only factor that contributes to k/d/a. Some of my best games were when I got pretty much no kills jungling as Sion, but got all kinds of assists going to get everyone else fed.

Sorry to rant, but I don't take kindly to personal attacks, when you don't actually know how I play the game, and base your opinion based on those three numbers.

Toastey1 votes

merc's into void is a terrible build path...

also, you don't seem to know the half of mid laning. there's a ton more to it than you've put down here. maybe you understand more. maybe you don't. simply "going even" in mid isn't an accomplishment, and it's not worth anything unless you're sure you scale better than your opponent. either that, or you're playing a supportive mid like karma or lux or lulu and you have a scaling hypercarry bot that you can peel for later after your damage falls off.

keeping the wave centred is BAD. don't do it. freeze it just in front of your turret if you want a safe farming lane. helps you zone too. if you want to back and return to lane, learn how to shove it and bounce it off their turret. if you want to roam, poke tower a lot and have your jungler trail you and help you ward.

if katarina roams, it's your responsibility to either follow her or to get a buttload of damage on her tower. if you cant follow and you're stuck farming, it's still not an excuse to start feeding her because she has a bit of a lead. you have to respect people's power spikes and to understand your own, knowing when you can win trades, when you need to give up CS, and when somebody can all-in you (or when you can all-in them). you can't just always play the lane the same way because you bought some merc treads and you have your wave sitting in the middle of the lane. also, if you're having mana issues, you're doing one of two things wrong (or both): you're using your spells to farm all the time, or you're going for too many trades and too much poke. Both are hallmarks of a less-than-stellar mid laner.

Next, I'd just like to throw out that Veigar is a pretty garbage champion for solo queue. He has a weak and exploitable laning phase and takes forever to scale up. It's ridiculously easy to gank him, and he doesn't snowball that hard anymore. He also doesn't fit into a lot of team compositions, though the relevance of your team comp isn't that high in low-elo games where nobody even understands how to use their comp. If you want to play mid in solo queue and you're not a Veigar god who can carry 1v5, I suggest you go with laners who have a strong laning phase, and who can both gank and avoid ganks easily. Prime examples are LeBlanc, Ahri, and Zed. If you don't wanna play a dashy assassin, Cho'Gath is always solid.

And last but not least, if you think Katarina is worth perma-banning AND you play Veigar, I don't know how to break it to you. You more or less belong in a lower elo bracket if you can't beat someone who counterpicks themselves, and then you blame it on their being OP. Imagine a Malzahar losing to a Zed and then crying about how Zed wasn't banned.

These are just thoughts from a mid laner with a rap sheet going back to season 1. If you want to call me out on only being silver, i don't get much time to play ranked. Having 2 jobs and an actual life takes up a lot of time. Cheers, and I hope you learn more about mid as you play more.

PS Learn to lane 1v3 if you keep playing mid. You'll need it.

Pinker 101 votes

lux and you have a scaling hypercarry bot that you can peel for later after your damage falls off.

I loled

You need more practice with lux. Full team target 1k+ damage ult with 30sec cd doesn't drop off buddy.

Toastey1 votes

i've played very, very many games with lux, and her damage does fall off, thank you very much. lux has a pretty low ceiling and she hits it really fast, but normally you can win before you stop one-shotting carries with your ulti. however, it gets to a point where your full combo won't even do half the tanks' hp and it'll chunk the carries really badly, but won't one-shot them. sure, the ult is in theory 1k+ dmg, but magic resist mitigates a lot of dmg.

Pinker 101 votes

AoE does NOT drop off. You can theoretically do 5k damage every 30 seconds to their team with one spell, you have a perma shield for your entire team, and an additional 2 aoe damage spells, each with a 4ish second cooldown full build.

If you're not outdamaging your adc as lux mid, you're doing it wrong.

Toastey1 votes

ok lemme break this down for you buddy

aoe will drop off, especially if you're lux. locket is an extremely powerful buy, as is banshee's and other stuff like that. i'm not sure how good you think you are at lux, but im pretty sure youre not getting 5man lasers on cooldown. also, you don't seem to understand that lux's Q is 11s and her E 10s, so if you have max CDR for 30s laser, you'll be giving up some dmg items and your Q and E will be on 6.6s and her e is on 6s. i don't see how you get four, sir. your math is wrong.

if you think that 6-slot lux should be outdamaging 6-slot adc, i don't know what to do with you. a 6-slot adc will be critting for 1k+ almost every auto, and they'll be attacking fast as hell (something like twice a second). on the other hand, your full damage rotation from all your abilities combined is just 1154 (+2.25 AP). if your lux build looks something like this: item 3020 item 3089 item 3165 item 3174 item 3135 item 3285 item 2139

And you have AP masteries and runes, you should have 720.72 AP. That means your full damage rotation is 1154 (+1621.62) + 25 on-hit dmg from Elixir = 2775.62 magic damage + 25 true damage. With just the default 30 MR, an enemy will mitigate 33% of your damage (except the true damage), meaning they actually take 2137.23 mgc dmg + 25 true dmg. ADC's usually get somewhere around 2k hp, so with a Bloodthirster shield, you shouldn't be able to one-shot them. If they have banshee's AND we're assuming that it's down (so they don't block any spells), they mitigate 46%, taking only 1498.89 mgc dmg + 25 true dmg. Nowhere near enough to kill them.

Here are the numbers listed out neatly: Base + scaling: 1154 (+2.25 AP) Total AP: 720.27 Total unmitigated damge: 2775.62 mgc + 25 true Apply default MR: 2137.23 mg + 25 true Apply Banshee's: 1498.89 mg + 25 true (no spells blocked)

Let's factor in the magic penetration from runes, masteries, and items. If you're running flat Mpen reds, you should have 7.8. Sorc shoes gives 15 flat penetration, Void staff gives 35%, and the penetration mastery gives 6%. This means you'll have 22.8 flat MPen and 38.9% MPen (multiplicative stacking, not additive). Against the default 30 MR, you'll still be doing 95.8% of your base. This gives you 2659.04 mgc + 25 true. Let's line up the numbers again.

Apply default MR + apply MPen: 2659.04 mgc + 25 true Apply Banshee's + apply MPen: 2011.32 mgc + 25 true

Again, if the ADC has BT shield and/or if they block a spell with Banshee's, your one-shot potential is screwed. Now think about the group MR that item 3190 grants, plus the AoE shield. Think about item 3401 . Think about supports peeling, healing, and shielding. Your damage will fall off. You can't one-shot the ADC, and you can barely deal half HP to the tanks.

You're immobile, and your cooldowns are relatively long at 6.6s, 6s, 6s, and 30s with max CDR. Might seem short, but other people have skills that are ACTUALLY on 3- or 4-second cooldowns, and don't forget that ADC's will be autoattacking almost twice a second, maybe even faster. If your ADC isn't outdamaging you, THEY'RE doing it wrong.

tldr learn to do math

Pinker 101 votes

if you think that 6-slot lux should be outdamaging 6-slot adc, i don't know what to do with you.

A 6 slot lux has 1200 range A 6 slot adc does not If lux isn't doing more she's a bad lux not abusing her range.

And you have AP masteries and runes, you should have 720.72 AP. That means your full damage rotation is 1154 (+1621.62) + 25 on-hit dmg from Elixir = 2775.62 magic damage + 25 true damage. With just the default 30 MR, an enemy will mitigate 33% of your damage (except the true damage), meaning they actually take 2137.23 mgc dmg + 25 true dmg. ADC's usually get somewhere around 2k hp, so with a Bloodthirster shield, you shouldn't be able to one-shot them. If they have banshee's AND we're assuming that it's down (so they don't block any spells), they mitigate 46%, taking only 1498.89 mgc dmg + 25 true dmg. Nowhere near enough to kill them.

Here are the numbers listed out neatly: Base + scaling: 1154 (+2.25 AP) Total AP: 720.27 Total unmitigated damge: 2775.62 mgc + 25 true Apply default MR: 2137.23 mg + 25 true Apply Banshee's: 1498.89 mg + 25 true (no spells blocked)

Let's factor in the magic penetration from runes, masteries, and items. If you're running flat Mpen reds, you should have 7.8. Sorc shoes gives 15 flat penetration, Void staff gives 35%, and the penetration mastery gives 6%. This means you'll have 22.8 flat MPen and 38.9% MPen (multiplicative stacking, not additive). Against the default 30 MR, you'll still be doing 95.8% of your base. This gives you 2659.04 mgc + 25 true. Let's line up the numbers again.

Apply default MR + apply MPen: 2659.04 mgc + 25 true Apply Banshee's + apply MPen: 2011.32 mgc + 25 true

Your damage will fall off. You can't one-shot the ADC, and you can barely deal half HP to the tanks.

And you're still hitting multiple targets at once. You're still winning fights, and you're still a VERY good carry. Your damage fall off is barely noticeable unless the enemy team has a dedicated healer simply because you use it so often. You're essentially complaining that lux is a better support than carry because she can't one shot the 2200 hp adc she just snared and dealt 3/4 hp damage to in addition to damaging their teammates. Gap closer anyone? She just won the fight without even needing to shield, in addition to hurting the enemy adc's survivability by forcing them to target their 1 defensive item to her. I don't know where you got your role definitions, but that is what most people call a carry.

You're immobile, and your cooldowns are relatively long at 6.6s, 6s, 6s,

And you can kite things so hard that they're either slowed, snared, or attacking a shield at all times. From 1200 range, which is larger than almost every gap closer in the game. If lux gets caught, she dun fucked up.

and 30s with max CDR. Might seem short, but other people have skills that are ACTUALLY on 3- or 4-second cooldowns, and don't forget that ADC's will be autoattacking almost twice a second,

Yes. Auto-attacking. Which means they need certain conditions, need the enemies to be in certain positions, or have the tank dead center. The entire time the face-off in mid is happening with each team threatening the other with presence and trying to get a good engage and the adc can't deal damage, you should be. If you're not out-damaging the adc you should not be playing high range poke champions.

your ADC is doing it wrong.

Not going to dispute that point though, gold adc's are almost cringingly bad.

Toastey1 votes

lux will only be able to poke under "certain conditions," just like anybody else's ability to do anything else. you can poke the enemy adc all you want, but if you're 6-slot then they probably have the lifesteal to heal it all back. you don't even need a dedicated healing support.

"won the fight" lol pls no that's not how it works. even if the enemy adc is 1hp but kites and has lifesteal, he can wipe your team. after lux's laser is down, it's very difficult for her to threaten the enemy carries without putting herself in danger. sure the shield is big, but it's on a long cooldown. as for your ultimate kiting plan, "gap closer anyone?"

you can't have your cake and eat it too; ie you cant always be sitting at max range AND threatening the carries AND doing massive poke dmg AND catching everyone in your AoE. that's what xerath is for lol

lux is what i'd call a semi-carry (if we're borrowing dota terminology here). she has an ok early game, an extremely strong mid-game, but kinda falls off late game. she's still very relevant and does decent dmg, but she's definitely overshadowed by true carries like vayne or katarina. when it's really late game and everyone is full build, lux matters a LOT less than real carries. it's her job to support the carries on her team if she has any, and to peel for them. lux cant look for late game solo plays like ahri or leblanc. no, it's not because they're assassins (ahri's more of a kite mage now) and lux is a mage. it's just because of her kit and her numbers. like i said, she has a pretty low ceiling and she hits it really fast. MAYBE luden's might be able to carry her dmg into the late game, but i'm not really convinced. her mana costs are just too high, and her damage becomes easier and easier to shrug off as the game progresses, whether it's because you have tank items or because you have lifesteal (and peel).

also you never addressed the fact that late game people will be healing, shielding, and peeling lol. you can poke the tanks i guess, but you'll do like 400 dmg to them. i dont know how much lux youve played, but i played almost exclusively last season, both in and out of ranked. i cant tell you how many normals i had on her, but i know i had 118 ranked games on her last season. ive had plenty of time to try all sorts of different build paths and playstyles on lux, and those are my findings.

low ceiling, mid-game power spike, late-game falloff. if you don't win by 30 minutes, it becomes very, very difficult to win at all if you don't relegate yourself to peeling for your adc. real carries never have to relegate themselves to a supportive role.

DeloricVI1 votes

merc treads and void staff is bad? Then why did it work against Katarina until she got fed off other people?

I understand that League is a dynamic game. I get that. I don't play against a fed Katarina the way I play against Zed, Lux, or any other kind of mid. My build just reflects that I'm counter playing against her. I'm not freezing the wave in the middle of the lane; it just ends up there when I'm farming under tower. I don't just walk up to it; I stay well in range of the tower.

That aside, I don't have the time to grind for IP or money to just go off and buy champions (because I'm in college and have a job right now, so I'm acutely aware that not everyone has time to play league all the time). I don't main mid, but I know what I'm doing. When I get forced into mid, I do my best and I tell them not to expect the world from me. I'm not a "good" mid but I'm not a bad one either.

As far as the personal attack on belonging in the lower elo bracket, I NEVER pick Veigar into Katarina. That's a death sentence. The only reason I think Kat should be perma banned is because most other people can't handle her. I can keep her in lane, harass her and deal with her without dying, that's not an issue. With my current champion pool, I can't really wreck good katarinas in line, but I'm not helpless until she goes somewhere else and snowballs out of control. She can't kill me so she roams instead because she has better wave clear than most of the champions I own for mid.

This was all just one example of how something happens to ruin my k/d/a. I could have cited so many other stupid behaviors from teammates. Oh, it's 5 mid? How about I split push as a support who has no wave clear. That's definitely how you win games. Enemy team's doing dragon and we could easily collapse on this one? Nope, we're going to push so that they can come in behind us and get free kills. And then there's people that don't check the patch notes and use builds something that doesn't work so well anymore, like full AP Rengar. Oh, and how about this one? "I can't suppport, but I'm last pick and have to play support." <- these people should not be playing ranked if they don't have at least a decent level of skill in every role. I can give them tips in lane and ping where they should be warding (because as adc, you can only buy so many wards before you get behind the enemy adc) but that doesn't mean they listen or don't get caught out. I swear half of them don't know how to block skillshots with minion waves. It's just a foreign concept to them.

Toastey1 votes

Ok merc's + void rush is a bad build because it gives you very little AP and you shouldn't be building defensive boots on a mage/carry like veigar. if you used the same money (3495g) and bought basic boots + needlessly large rod + blasting wand + null-magic mantle (3260) and a couple wards and pots, you could probably sustain through lane and one-shot the kat.

Let's break it down. Merc + Void gives you 70 AP, 25 MR, 45 MS, 35% cc reduction (and kat has zero cc), and 35% MPen (which will only increase your dmg by 8% if kat has 30 MR, which she should). Terrible build. 3495g down the drain.

On the other hand, boots + NLR + blasting + null + 2 wards + 2 pots gives you 120 AP, 25 MR, 25 MS, vision control around your lane, and 300 effective HP over 30 seconds. Much better build, much better stat gives. 3480g well spent. The null-magic mantle is NOT for Merc's, by the way. It's for Abyssal Sceptre, which is how you're supposed to build against Kat as Veigar.

ok so you have no idea what you're even doing with your wave. that's a hallmark of low-elo laners in every lane. at least learn how to manage minions and waves, unless you plan on jg main.

i feel you buddy i have two jobs and im working my ass off. my knees are sore right now from 6 hours of running around making milk tea.

back to the minion wave thing. you should under no circumstances being outpushed by a kat when playing veigar. around level 7 or 8 your w should 1-shot the back line caster minions (im not sure; i don't play veigar) with the proper items, and your q can gib 2 minions. if she's pushing as fast as you say she is, that means she's in melee range of the creeps, so i don't understand why you're not poking her and trading. if she's chunked enough, she shouldn't be able to roam. if she IS able to roam, you should be able to get damage on mid turret or follow her. early on, you have just as much if not more roam pressure than she does because you bring an AoE stun and really big burst dmg to the table. Kat's dmg is kinda suckish until level 11 or so (or 2 items, whichever comes first). if you're under the impression that veigar is a bad pick into katarina, i've got some bad news for you buddy: u playin veig wrong

as for your teammates, it's all just rng. better luck next game. don't depend on anyone in solo queue to do anything. play the game optimally from your end, and eventually you'll win more than you lose. maybe not by a big margin, but enough to climb a bit.

DeloricVI1 votes

I don't know where you figured I was playing Veigar, even after I told you that's a death sentence. I was playing TF in this particular instance. Not a whole lot better, but has better sustain, better mobility, and a more reliable stun... so.... yeah. Since Katarina is almost instantly ready to go, but Veigar would be one of the worst picks because he takes so long to wind up and get strong.

I'll tell you what, lately that RNG hates me so much more... last game I had a Yasuo that lost to AP mid shaco, and lost so bad he claimed that the Shaco was "hacking" but he didn't have any items that would help him. He never placed a pink ward, he never bought a Hexdrinker, let alone maw of malamortius, and after he got killed a few times he just charged right in. That's totally the way you win against a few opponent. Call them a hacker and report them for hacking. The (probably 12-year-olds) that you find in Bronze, lol. We got stomped. I don't have to really care so much any more because I'm already at the bottom of the barrel so... I have nothing to lose. What can they demote me to? Cloth 1?

....

...right? <:(

Toastey1 votes

veigar pick is fine vs katarina. it works as a counterpick since your stun is more on-demand than tf's (who might have to wait for his card rotation) and you have way more burst dmg up front. true, you can miss veigar stun, but that's just mechanical skill. if you're on tf, you REALLY don't have ANY excuse whatsoever to follow the katarina when she roams. you have ZERO arguments besides "my ulti was down".

Worst Mid Ever1 votes

make a new account and find someone to carry you in placements

LittleRedHen1 votes

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make a new account and find someone to carry you in placements

Yeah I went 6-4 in placements after mid silver last season and got placed into bronze 2... placements are worthless.

Aww Kat1 votes

My internet is trash. I have to put my phone on airplane mode or I lag. I can't have anything open. I can't even stream music while I play.

BlazinHot61 votes

If you're that serious about it: go to bed early, so you can wake up and play games without the worry of others on your connection. Or give your parents some money per month to upgrade your house's internet connection. I have a fairly low-tier connection package, it's still high speed, but I have 2 room mates watching netflix and I dont even notice. The only thing I have to keep an eye out for is if they are using torrents.

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