Have you ever gone into a "X champion is OP" thread and it sort of changed your mind about X champ?

Well for me... A lot of the time it isn't the side calling the champion OP that change my mind but the side that jumps to the champion's defense... not because they made a good argument though... Sometimes I'd think a champ is balanced or at least not that strong before I go into one of these threads. Then I go in and there is just tons of tons of these bad defenses for the champion and I start thinking "maybe this champion is a bit OP"... it's not like the points made for "X champion is OP" is incredible great either, just ok... but some of the crazy defenses people make when they are desensive against their main is just silly...