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Lets discuss Nocturne

Wolfenix·2/25/2016, 7:56:37 AM·4 votes·500 views

Nocturne used to be one of my favorite junglers in league. I've found him for the last 3 seasons as seriously lacking, though. Lets be honest, hes a LOT like Master Yi in playstyle. Dev AS based build, dive into fights and try to kill everything faster than you die. lol

The problem is that with the exception of counterpicking squishy split pushing champs, there legitimately isn't a reason to pick Noc over Yi. Yi does more damage, more mobility, more jungle sustain, and even more teamfight survivability due to Q invulnerability. Nocturne just gets blown up when you enter a fight unless you build tank.

Solution? Well, I think it would be a fun mechanic to have Noc's spellshield (W) contain an AA based cooldown mechanic. This incentivizes building as an AS based assassin, as well as rewarding players for blocking spells. A sort of race against time in teamfights to get your spellshield back up would make him feel much more exciting, as well as bring him in line with other devourer based junglers.

5 Comments

Nanuk Pihoqahiak2/25/2016, 8:04:42 AM3 votes

One of the cooler suggestions I saw was updating his visuals and then giving him the ability to actually slip through walls with Duskbringer. The idea of him being a shadowy apparition that can slip through physical objects is kind of cool and would give him a lot of options to be extremely slippery.

Tormentula2/25/2016, 8:08:23 AM2 votes

Maybe I just suck as nocturne, but the problem I find with him is his playstyle tends to be suicidal. The difference between yi and nocturne, is yi can 1v5 a team with enough bulk and lifesteal to carry a game. His adverage speed makes him dominant all around the map as well as the speed of his ult making chasing very easy, as well as the low cooldown. His alpha strike basically is a spell shield, or infact invulnability in teamfights.

With nocturne, if he goes warrior for damage, he loses out on attack speed. If he goes devouror, he loses on damage and 1v1s as well as fails to pick up easy kills in lanes that recently lost a trade (example; bot lane lost but noc can ult double kill them preventing tower push.). While his chase pretty easy with his ult, actually sticking to targets is kinda hard since he can still be slowed (unlike yi) and even melted.

Idk if I'm building wrong or what... but all I can say when I play nocturne is, "why did I pick him? My kha'zix would've killed that guy, my elise would've provided more secures for the team, my skarner would've been a better choice late game for carrying, my xin would've been better for 1v5s and back dooring... where was my mindset at champ select?"

In bronze where people are just terrified of nocturne and jungles think they can 1v1, he's great, but i feel against players familiar with him, he's not as scary... in top lane I've had great success with him, but I can't say I've done good with jg noc since I was lower leveled and doing blind picks.

Theseepingdragon2/25/2016, 8:13:00 AM2 votes

Yi is easier to play. Nocturne reuqires you to know more of a foresight and ult timings and champions and his kit requires you to use correct spells at the same time while yi is much more simple. Thats probably why you are having problems with him compared to a yi. Nocturne has global pressure something yi doesnt have. All im hearing is " user error"

z14GaKI7TO2/25/2016, 8:01:43 AM1 votes

You realize you can go sated - titanic - botrk then tank and destroy shit right? Sure, it's similar to Yi but it's not like Noc is terrible. I had a high plat nocturne main on my FL last season and he destroyed games.

Cherysse2/25/2016, 2:16:35 PM1 votes

Nope man, it depends on how you build, and up to this point building Devourer on Noc is not a good idea anymore:

item 1400 item 3742 item 3147 item 3748 item 3053 or item 3078 or item 3071 and item 3111

Try it, tell me how you do, some times it is not so much the player, but the build. The Duskblade will allow you to destroy targets within the duration of your ult, and the active from titanic will just obliterate them, deadman prevents them from scaping and with your ult it will always be full.

can you see my custom item? I've made an icon for it! http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/buOIBEzA-the-phoenixs-talon-icon-made-by-me-3