And this is why nobody plays Support

Biff Manly·Feb 17, 2015·14 votes·1,414 views

Last game, I was playing Support Kayle. Got pushed out of bot by a Jinx and Ashe, started roaming to deal with problems in other lanes. After helping Yi score a double kill under our turret in top, he runs into the jungle and is killed by Jinx, leaving her with 3/5 of her HP.

I start recall, and he yells at me to finish her off. When she runs out and starts shooting me, I ult myself and poke her with me E until she runs away, still with 1/3 of her health. Yi yells at me for not killing her when he told me to. I point out that I am not building damage, and couldn't kill her no matter what. He responds with "I've seen Kayles carry"

PLEASE. Set DIFFERENT expectations of what a good Support does! Don't judge how good a player is by their capacity to shred opponents or burst down tanks! I helped that Yi get a double kill! But I didn't commit suicide by running after the enemy ADC? TERRIBLE PLAYER Supports are people too, but we don't get supported back!

32 Comments

Pandemic PunchFeb 17, 20153 votes

You are wasting your time posting about this. This will never change. Your only option is the mute button. Good luck to you.

EmpressStrangeFeb 17, 20158 votes

The mute button doesn't fix the problem its just looking the other way. Crap like this needs to be fixed and if riot won't do anything the gamer community needs to step it up. People are getting marked and reported as flamers when they're defending themselves from he actual problems in the community and thats not fair to those of us who aren't trying to piss people off.

Pandemic PunchFeb 17, 20152 votes

Try to enforce morality rules on 27 million people. See what happens. Nothing. Riot can't do anything about it. Just use the mute button.

EmpressStrangeFeb 17, 20152 votes

Stricter enforcement would be a start. Even with the "New REWARD AND PUNISH" system everyone still treats it like a joke. There are things they can do about it they just don't want to do it because the a-holes tormenting us are putting enough money into rp & LoL gear for them to look the other way.

Pandemic PunchFeb 17, 20152 votes

Refer to the previous post.

EmpressStrangeFeb 17, 20154 votes

Ditto

Pandemic PunchFeb 17, 20152 votes

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Ditto

No. You argued around my point. If Riot could do something about it then great. However, they can't. If they had 27 million employees then they could do something. The line will eventually get too fine between people who should or should not get punished. An automated system would be the only thing on a large enough scale to deal with toxic players. We saw how that worked out. Many people got banned for not saying a word. They just got banned because the rest of their team thought they sucked, so they thought it would be a good idea to report them.

You should also realize that you are debating someone who is on your side. All I am trying to do is point out that it is not possible to, "fix" the community's negative behavior. Also, even by looking at your responses, they could be considered toxic or negative depending on how you look at it. Even with the things you said could make you a victim of being banned. Calling someone an asshole is verbal abuse.

EmpressStrangeFeb 17, 20152 votes

I honestly don't care anymore I'm just suppose to take it and shut up? I don't think so. Too many people don't want to believe they can fix the issue at hand. People like you who would rather play the blame game than to do something about the actual problem. I shouldn't have to listen to morons saying shit like "I fucked you mother in the grave" I shouldn't be the one who gets reported instead of assholes like that.

Oh and you know how to fix the problem with people getting banned for unskilled or refusing to communicate? You take it out of the options! Its not that freaking hard. Its pretty much useless anyway why report someone in your elo or mmr for unskilled when they're there for a reason. That goes for any skill level not just one.

I also said that the gamer community needs to step it up, because obviously the immoral and unethical are running rampant and we are letting them. Guess what happens when you let the corrupt judge the corrupt? You get the league community in its present state.

Pandemic PunchFeb 17, 20152 votes

It is funny. You claim that I am, "playing the blame game" but I haven't blamed anyone for anything. It is you blaming Riot for not being able to control the attitudes of over 27 million people. That is a lot of people. I can't keep up with 30 kids at a birthday party when it comes to making them behave or breaking up fights. However, we are talking about millions. Also, every case is unique.

You do not have to shut up. However, we are back to where we were earlier. You just called people morons and assholes. That goes into the verbal abuse category. With such a response, you are apart of the community that you are currently degrading. There is a more mature way to handle yourself so you don't also get banned.

As far as people making rude comments, that will never leave. Even if not a single person got away with saying something like that, there are always new players coming in. There are also old players who create new accounts. It will not stop. I can count on 1 hand how many games where I did not have a toxic player and I have been playing for a number of years now.

As far as the being banned for being unskilled thingy you talked about, that is not it. People would get reported for anything just because the team did not like the way they played. Example: This team did not like the way one player played, so four of them agreed to report him for verbal abuse. The automated system bans this player shortly after. That happened so much when that automated system was in full effect.

The only thing that keeps ragers from raging in real life is the fear of physical consequences. Welcome to the internet where there are none. For the most part.

EmpressStrangeFeb 22, 20151 votes

Never said anything about a blame game, but you don't care you've already made up your mind. I've been playing for 3 seasons now and this shit never stops, Its peoples lack of morals and ethics. Regardless of who whether it be riot or the gamer community itself we all need to step up and do something about it. Not just sit on our hands and let the toxicity bleed us dry till we end up like them. Raging in real life still happens all the time fear of anything doesn't stop most people unless its fear of literal death. A large majority of the community fits into the age group that gets drowned in the "Superman Syndrome", they feel invincible and will pick fights regardless of most consequences. The rest are just plain ignorant, sadists or both.

Pandemic PunchFeb 23, 20151 votes

Read your own post. You specifically said blame game. What have I made up my mind about? Enlighten me. Yes, I know it hasn't stopped. I said I was on your side. As far as someone continuing to act up after taking a beating? LOL In my experience, they leave you alone for good after smacking them around for a while. That or they come back with friends for revenge. Then it becomes life or death. We were not really into pillow fighting.

Edit: You have yet to actually contest the primary point by arguing around it again. Try again.

EmpressStrangeFeb 25, 20151 votes

I've re-read all of my posts and the actual words blame game do not occur. Never said after a beating either. Now you're just putting words into my mouth, or rather text in my box? I don't think i'm the one who needs to learn to read at this point its you dude lol. You also need to follow your own hypocritical edit.

Pandemic PunchFeb 25, 20151 votes

I have addressed all of your points and I also did it logically. Your most recent post is still avoiding to address the very original point.

When it comes to reading, perhaps you should read through it a few more times.

"I honestly don't care anymore I'm just suppose to take it and shut up? I don't think so. Too many people don't want to believe they can fix the issue at hand. People like you who would rather play the blame game than to do something about the actual problem."

Calling it hypocritical is just straight up wrong since I address all of your points regardless if it is pertaining to the original subject or not. In this case, you have still ignored the original counter point I made like a true politician.

Until you actually contest my actual point on the subject at hand, your future posts regarding this are irrelevant. You can't even contest the point I made about YOU being verbally abusive (This whole ordeal starting because you are upset with people who are verbally abusive) at the moment because you continue to attack me rather than the actual argument.

If you want this community to move in a more positive direction, you can not continue such behavior because it is only tossing more negativity in the mix.

EmpressStrangeFeb 25, 20151 votes

"you cannot continue this behavior" really? because no body in the community seems to give a shit and without enough people to support the idea that the community needs to be fixed it will never happen. There are too many people like you who would rather ignore the problem than to look for a solution. Which is in fact the actual point at hand. The entire reason we are even arguing is that you believe the ignore/mute all method is the solution when it just enables the problem to continue. Oh and of course there is going to be negativity in the mix because its a problem! you can't fix corrupt/evil with a positive attitude only. Its also a contradiction to say that we need to be positive about a negative topic. No wonder nothings being done because everyone would rather look through rose-colored glasses than to see the problem for what it actually is.

Pandemic PunchFeb 26, 20151 votes

Yes. If you continue this behavior (raging) then you are just another cause of the problem. As I said before, you are apart of the community you are so strongly against by doing so.

Too many people like me? You keep saying that in such a insulting and rude manner. Again you are attacking me rather than the argument itself.

You act as if people are capable of fixing the community as if there is an off switch. Which brings me back to the very original point in your circular argument. I presented a point in which it is practically impossible to fix this problem. To fix this gaming community, you must first convince the majority of people who play this game that their behavior is wrong. We already saw what happened when I told you that your behavior is wrong. You got more aggressive in your argument and continued to push your own agenda because you believe you are correct. That is how you can expect the rest of the community to respond.

I never said using the mute button is the end all solution. However, it is currently the only option we have. I feel for the OP, but I have been putting up with ragers for too many years. There will never be an end to it. Especially when the majority of the community is extremely competitive and no one ever wants to believe that they are wrong. I guess I have to keep repeating that point until it is addressed. The mute button has certainly made life easier. If you need friends or people to talk to, just start looking around on the forums for people who are like you.

It is no contradiction to say that we need to be positive about a negative topic (Also if you want to talk about putting words in someone's mouth then you keep on doing this 0_0). In this case, it is the best you can do. The way you are communicating with me right now is very degrading. If I were anyone else, you would just cause me to rage right back at you. Therefore, you just became the cause of the problem rather than the solution. There is another one of those points I keep repeating.

Your rose-colored glasses argument is very situational. I could just as easily say, "You view the world through rose-colored glasses because you believe a company has the power to change the behaviors of 27 million active players a day." You will never in your life be able to legitimately wrap your brain around 10,000 people. In this case, we are probably talking about hundreds of millions overall. Reinforcing an untouched point again.

This latest reply doesn't really have any holding or basis to push a point. You are just arguing with me out of spite at this point. I don't understand what it is you have against me but if you want to continue this circular argument then I will gladly oblige. I have nothing else to do. Just know that you are who you are against at the moment.

LulluLeaFeb 17, 20152 votes

You're playing support Kayle and complaining? Pick Zilean if you wanna pick non-meta champions.

LiquefierFeb 17, 20152 votes

If you're bronze, u should probably build your support with damage anyway... I know it sucks but buy wards don't take cs and build so that u can carry when someone else inevitably feeds or goes afk. I like how the only way to win in bronze is to develop poor playing strategies. So self-defeating.

Biff ManlyFeb 17, 20152 votes

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If you're bronze, u should probably build your support with damage anyway... I know it sucks but buy wards don't take cs and build so that u can carry when someone else inevitably feeds or goes afk. I like how the only way to win in bronze is to develop poor playing strategies. So self-defeating.

Hahaha, I'm not even level 30 yet. The fact that I already feel this attacked by my teammates in the casual environment is hilarious. Level 20s gotta get their rank points up, #BigLCSPlays

mvargusFeb 17, 20152 votes

Been there, had similar things happen. Some players will see someone get away and go "why didn't you run that [X champ] down?" My usual response has been. "I won't overextend in a chase."

Of course then you get shouted at for being too passive even though the idea was to avoid giving away a kill to an enemy champ.

When I do chase, I die far more often than I succeed in getting that kill.

Linna ExcelFeb 17, 20152 votes

How did yi not gank a jinx/ashe bot lane and get a double kill every time? They are so squishy.

Drunk RummateFeb 18, 20152 votes

I'll give you another example, since we're on the topic.

Yesterday I was playing support as Janna in a normal. I was queued with our ADC and Jungler, whom I am friends with and was chatting in skype with. We were doing fairly well in lane (Janna + Draven is pretty damn good against Graves + Leona) and he had already popped his stacks on a kill, so I decided to roam and help my friend invade their jungle.

Just when we got to their red, we spotted the enemy Vi ganking mid so we both went mid to countergank. Orianna and Vi almost got away to their turret, but just before they could escape I flashed behind them and ulted them back into lane. As a result of my flash ult, Ahri missed a charm which probably would have hit the Orianna, but we got the double kill with both kills going to our jungler.

Ahri was furious. She called my flash play terrible amongst other things, because I was supposed to know she had charm and that she wasn't going to whiff it. We got the double kill and won the game handily, but that Ahri did nothing but BM me and my friends in chat for the rest of the game. I didn't die a single time other than executing at the end in their nexus (because Janna OP) but she made sure to take it out on both my friends every time they made a misplay, and in the post game screen she asks the enemy team to report me for intentionally helping the enemy team with that flash play.

Here's the thing - I didn't have to come mid. Neither did my jungle friend. We saw a gank mid and we BOTH showed up to help. You should be grateful for that. You should also be grateful that we secured the double kill. Who flipping cares if I made you miss your charm, we got BOTH of them AND the turret!

Sigh.

A Bad VarusFeb 17, 20151 votes

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RakvirFeb 18, 20152 votes

Let's see, a slow, a heal + MS buff, a wave clear ability when your lane partner has to back and you need to hold tower and not get poked endlessly or outright killed because they dived in after you (and can probably take the tower, too, before ADC gets back), and a freaking TOTAL. IMMUNITY. SHIELD.

Yeah, totally nothing a support would ever want to have. You're right. Kayle is cardboard tier support.

/end sarcasm

Sir YamazukiFeb 18, 20151 votes

While you can support as Kayle, you have to understand that going bottom as a support doesn't mean you build support items every single time. Sometimes you do, sometimes you build tank, and sometimes you build damage. Kayle is one of those champions where you're meant to build damage, otherwise you heal for very little and are only really useful for your ult.

You should just ignore anyone who rages, it's going to happen no matter what role you're in.

RakvirFeb 19, 20151 votes

Oh, for sure, I know the heal scales poorly. More the fact it's the whole "heal AND a movement speed buff" that does it for me. Plus, yeah, support items aren't the greatest on Kayle most times, but far and away from the worst. It's workable. I just wish more ADC players would take advantage of the strengths their supports bring.

Like on the (exceptionally few) times I'd support as an aggressive support (building damage on Kayle, having a tank Udyr, or a "classic" support running interference, etc.), my lane partner would REFUSE to last-shot minions while they were free to take, thinking they should engage while tower and minions continue to destroy all that free gold. Meanwhile, I'm being chipped away and then when I need to back because I eventually run out of steam, they take needless risks, chase into their half of the jungle (unwarded, of course) and get 4v1 and then say, "gg, ff at 20, report Rakvir for troll support".

And because no one is paying attention, they all believe the loudmouth liar because, after all...supports are complete dumbasses and the ADC is all-knowing. Am I right, all? lol XD

Oh well, stuff happens, I'm ranting, I'm going to relax now before I get thinking about this too much. After all, I might choose to end my self-exile from ranked and land myself in a self-created elo hell with this attitude.

inhale.....and exhale.....breathe.....

TotalwanabeFeb 17, 20151 votes

or learn to support without a support build

IcyPepperFeb 19, 20152 votes

And get raged at because "build a sightstone, it's the support's job to ward"?

TotalwanabeFeb 21, 20152 votes

simply reply with this "what stopping you from buying it"

IcyPepperFeb 21, 20151 votes

but muh damage items

but muh meta

but muh carry

but muh butt

Agreed. It's gold inefficient for carries, unfortunately, but they REALLY need to upgrade that item 3340 . If they don't upgrade it, I feel obligated to sell my sightstone because if my team wants to gimp on 5 potential wards on cd, then they don't need my 3 extra.

Lester ChanFeb 17, 20151 votes

Don't play with garbage players if you don't want them to throw garbage at you.

JPlayahFeb 23, 20151 votes

At this point, the only way to improve your situation is to not be matched with jerks. I've noticed that team builder tends to be less toxic than blind pick in the 20-30 summoner level range. You might want to try that for a bit. Trust me, the longer queue times are worth it. As a support though, your queue times might be even shorter than in blind pick. Give it a try.

SirsirFeb 26, 20151 votes

People don't play support because Supports can't carry a game. You can't carry your way out of Bronze relying on bronzies to carry you out. Or silver, or even gold sometimes.