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Why votes on a site with a younger audience is a bad idea for riot.

tonzillacrayon··1 votes·482 views

Someone like me who understands the nature of how humans work and how people perceive voting (up voting down voting) doesn't really care about it but what interested me is how cult-like it is. This will get down voted because the cult of silver friends don't like me because i call them out. I find that hilarious but in reality for all the other posts all it does is look bad for riot. You go onto the sight you see the dumbest things up voted and you see random stuff like "which champion should i play i need to get better" gets down voted instantly by the same cult of silver players that feel high and mighty. Its usually the same people trolling and making dumb posts as well. My advice to riot is to make it so there are no votes and your comment stands as what it is a comment. Not where silly kids can bandwagon the same bull crap that they believe which is 9/10 times to be nonsense. Look at the forums right now and go look at the new section and look for the most up voted page, look at the most down voted, then go look at all the 1's. And of course the cult master himself is at the top because he relates to the mass majority of silver players that believe the nonsense. The fact that people don't even read the post or just don't like the person will down vote shows how flawed it is. I could put 2+2=4 and it would get down voted too guess what that says to riot though? Ok guess 2+2 is not 4 lets make it 5 for the players. For instance I only up vote or down vote based off of facts. Player complaining about elo hell or whatever? down voted. Player saying x thing is bad for the game and giving reasons, if i dont agree nothing, if i do agree up vote. Thats how it should work but in a world where you cant keep children out you have to simply take it away from them because it does not work.

Proof (1) Factual arguments (0) Let the down votes with no actual facts or comments by the cult of toxic spammers commence!! also thanks for proving my point within .5 seconds easy to count on ragers.

25 Comments

Poptart Evelynn9 votes

To state such things without a factual point, to bring up numbers without gathering numbers, and to clearly state ones opinion as factual information. To think you have the ability to break down things without experience or knowledge or even research.

Ignorant and arrogant the least to say. Move along filthy peasant.

tonzillacrayon1 votes

comment will be deleted for toxic harassment but before you go. Look at the forums go see whats up voted and down voted should be plenty of evidence for you but then again it would require you to do a tiny bit of work oh phooey . Also explains why every post is always down voted and very few have actual up votes.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

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tonzillacrayon1 votes

Incorrect instead of harassing people and spewing toxic comments that are invalid like " youve never been to college" " Ignorant and arrogant the least to say. Move along filthy peasant." Such contradiction. But thanks for proving my point you are my prime example of a toxic child that just down votes without using logic. Also how dont i have information? I did what i told you to do, went to the forums, looked at up votes to down votes, saw that most posts are either neutral or 0 or -1 then saw the only up voted post being "add a report for "trolls" on the boards. When they already have every option to report someone that you need. THATS the highest up voted? obviously a problem.

Dedrius5 votes

Wall of text that has no real content, and you wonder why you get downvoted.

tonzillacrayon1 votes

hmm down voted for the requirement to read. But no im wrong not alot of children here.....

Poptart Evelynn2 votes

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hmm down voted for the requirement to read. But no im wrong not alot of children here.....

The way you use an escape to defend yourself. No one mentioned there weren't kids on the forums. Pathetic.

tonzillacrayon1 votes

Do you get a kick out of being the toxic contradiction that you seem to right about all the time? There was no real comment requires a simple answer.

Poptart Evelynn2 votes

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Do you get a kick out of being the toxic contradiction that you seem to right about all the time? There was no real comment requires a simple answer.

Wow so funny. Am I incorrect? No? Then who looks like an idiot? You? You.

tonzillacrayon1 votes

There goes another deleted comment good bye toxic one trick pony ill miss u. Also you are incredibly incorrect you take one section of dialog that makes no sense by itself why would I waste time replying to that? LOL

Dedrius1 votes

I actually didn't even downvote, I am just saying that it makes a post much more enjoyable to read if there is some kind of point to it and a bit of paragraphing. The fact that you act as though you are a god because your main is plat is kind of sad as well, everyone is pretty bad until like diamond 2-3.

DWT123454 votes

The point of downvotes is so that people can steer clear of troll threads, or poorly put together threads.

tonzillacrayon1 votes

The point of down votes is for people to show their opinion on the subject. "trolls" is not a viable word in fact nobody used that word at all when the point of the interest was taking place.

DWT123453 votes

The fact that you have downvoted everybodies comments here shows how hypocritical you are.

tonzillacrayon1 votes

One kid being toxic and trolling one kid who is down voting because he has to read and one person who is incorrect about how down votes were made and what they were made for. Pretty valid reason if you ask me. Get someone to say a fact ill up vote them instantly

DWT123452 votes

Kid, you shoulden't pretend you know what you're talking about. Im sure you are around 13 years old, and have no experience with "human nature". Your points are all very unclear, and i still dont quite understand what you're all angry about.

tonzillacrayon1 votes

Using assumptions and still cant see what point im trying to get across while thinking im angry. See the thing is about humans is that they have been around for a while and are pretty predictable so let me show you what you know with your assumpions. Im 21 years old to your 15-16 that i know you are. For two my points are clear you need to read them and be able to understand things at an adult level for them to be clear sorry you dont make the cut. And lastly im not angry im trying to help riot make their game better instead of listening to the boards at all because they cannot be taken seriously. This is why reddit is used even though reddit is just as bad. People want the boards to be used instead of reddit but this is why we cannot have nice things.

Truly Prideful4 votes

Your argument might hold water if a large number of adults didn't act like idiots or children as well. It's rare that posts that actually contain good content get downvoted to oblivion. It doesn't really matter either way, Riot doesn't listen to the drooling masses often otherwise Riven / Kat / insert champion here would be unplayable.

tonzillacrayon1 votes

SEE I CAN UP VOTE PEOPLE. you make sense to a degree. Those deserve to get down voted i totally agree. But players asking what champions they should play and stuff like that gets down voted for either no reason what so ever or because people have a disagreeing opinion which is the point of the comments, not down votes. The most up voted? "we need a report for trolling option" . Like logically that makes no sense.

DrCyanide4 votes

You certainly have an interesting perception of why things get up voted or down voted. Honestly, for someone who claims to understand the nature of how people work, it's surprising you didn't take a more positive tone with your argument and try to convince people the system is flawed, opting instead to come off as high and mighty and get down voted for that (and other reasons).

Your evidence is also extremely lack luster. I mean really, you're using the NEW section as evidence? The section with the fewest amount of votes on any subject?

The rule of thumb is always that there will be 1 or 2 downvotes for no reason before a discussion starts. People with nothing better to do than to down vote it. You have no statistical data on the ranks of those players, as Riot doesn't tell you who voted which way. What matters more is what happens after those initial votes. Does your post have merit to stand on it's own, or does it simply sink into obscurity?

For instance I only up vote or down vote based off of facts. Player complaining about elo hell or whatever? down voted. Player saying x thing is bad for the game and giving reasons, if i dont agree nothing, if i do agree up vote. Thats how it should work

That's not how Riot has outlined it should work. To quote Tamat:

Some vote based on how good they think the content / discussion is, others vote because they agree or disagree. As Pendragon stated, as long as you use your heart, it'll be a positive contribution to the Boards, and subsequently, the community. [...] Another way to judge is as an individual. Did it give you any feels? Are you finding yourself in agreement or strongly disagreeing? Go with your gut! Once you've found something worthy, do us a favor and vote on it, comment on it, or share it with your friends! If it's awful content that doesn't belong on the Boards, then nuke it with a downvote. There are so many ways to contribute to the process.

Source: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/site-feedback/teko6RP4-psa-you-should-vote-more?comment=00150000

Put another way, if people want to downvote you because they think you're horribly wrong, they're correct for doing so.

Provengreil3 votes

let's see here: positioning of his own superiority based off of...never explained, implicit tier bashing of anyone in disagreement, lack of paragraphs, a longer version of "study it out" shoved into the middle, aggressive tone, a number of replies in minutes. 9/10

tonzillacrayon1 votes

speaking of one of them going to get your posts removed from everying and sending a ticket about you. Good bye (:

Provengreil2 votes

you DO realize that I'm actually applauding you for accomplishing you goals with this thread, and quite well, right?

junglerboy161 votes

I dislike the vote system too, at least in the manifestation it is in now, however you didn't really phrase any sort of convincing argument other than "people spam down vote random things because they are mindless" which is more just an opinion than anything else.

Quick question though (sort of playing a little devil's advocate): If the only people who use the boards are mindless silvers as you put it, then why should you either care about this website in the least or care what gets upvoted or downvoted? And please don't try any silly "I don't care what gets upvoted/downvoted" garbage, because you've already said you care quite a lot simply by the fact that you made this post at all.

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