...Does anybody else feel uncomfortable with the "Demon" Vi skin?

71389310_DEL·Oct 8, 2015·14 votes·9,408 views

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Is it just me or does anybody else feel uncomfortable with the "Demon" Vi skin? I'm a Christian who stumbled upon Brofresco's video for the skin a few days ago, which showed Vi having the Mark ( or Number ) of the Beast on her leg, and have been praying over whether or not I should quit LoL or not. In the end I am under the belief I am to stay and just see if I can plant any seeds of faith as I play the game but the thought of this skin being released still makes me uncomfortable. It just made me wonder if I was the only person who felt this way or not/why a person would feel the way they feel ( Even Brofresco said that this was "Edgy" for Riot ) about it. On a scale of 1/5, 1 being excited for the skin's release and 5 being enough for the skin's release to make you stop playing, where do you rate and why? I myself am at a four: If I were gifted this skin I would ask Riot to remove it from my account ( I refuse to accept the mark or anything glorifying it in any way, shape or form ) and if they were unable to do so I would have no choice but to then leave.

So, how do you feel about the "Demon" skin for Vi?

91 Comments

redniwediSOct 8, 201517 votes

The big key here is the separation of reality from fiction. No I'm not going to be an idiot and say "demons arn't real" or anything, as reality really has nothing to do with this topic.

Demons, gods, angels, and other religious themed creatures have been a staple part of fiction for years. Everything from Dungeons & Dragons to modern television shows use these things to varying degrees in place of having to come up with new creatures to fit a similar role from scratch. It's all about giving the good guys something to fight and overcome as the struggle between good and evil is one of the oldest themes in literature.

Angels are already a canon part of League, so having their opposite (even if it's just a cosmetic skin) would be a natural next step.

EDIT: Just to be clear you have my upvote. You had a problem with something involving the game, and your first course of action was to start a discussion. We need more posters like you on here.

71389310_DELOct 8, 20156 votes

Thanks for the feedback!

I too understand deities, their follower and their opposer are a staple of fiction in literature, movies, music, etc. I actually enjoy(ed) the theme of the skin but just felt adding the Mark on her leg took it a little too far and was curious if anybody else thought so.

A bit off the main topic: I'm still waiting on Divine Karthus after the release of Reaper Soraka .

redniwediSOct 8, 20156 votes

I guess I never did put my own opinion of that in my post did I...

Personally I just see it as a clever addition. It seems like an odd skin idea to start with, but if it had to go on a champion it might as well be on a champion capable of relentlessly pursuing someone, and who has a name that allows for what I basically see as a pun.

I don't plan on using the skin, as even without the leg thing I just don't like how it looks, however it existing won't bother me. Who knows, maybe this skin will be a skin line, culminating in the long awaited Satan Teemo skin.

AntiSkillshotOct 8, 20152 votes

{quoted}

Thanks for the feedback!

I too understand deities, their follower and their opposer are a staple of fiction in literature, movies, music, etc. I actually enjoy(ed) the theme of the skin but just felt adding the Mark on her leg took it a little too far and was curious if anybody else thought so.

A bit off the main topic: I'm still waiting on Divine after the release of Reaper .

To be honest... You pointing that out did make me feel uneasy about this skin.

Edit: I see some people don't exactly get it. It's the number itself, not the theme of the skin. If the number wasn't there, I'd class the skin for her as a monster girl. And I have no problem with monster girls.

EL HAMSTEROOct 8, 20158 votes

this might help calm you down - demons arent real, satan isnt real, god isnt real

youre welcome.

redniwediSOct 8, 20153 votes

Meh, atheists don't understand basic logic, otherwise they wouldn't make claims like that.

-#Agnostic4Life

EL HAMSTEROOct 8, 20151 votes

so if i told you there were invisible dragons living all over the world youd be agnostic about it right?

your logic is not very logical

redniwediSOct 9, 20152 votes

Just because you can fit the word agnostic in that sentence doesn't mean it fits the definition of agnosticism.

To be specific I am an agnostic theist, as one cannot simply be agnostic. You can be an agnostic atheist (you don't believe in god, but are willing to admit you could be wrong) or an agnostic theist (you believe in god, but you are willing to admit you could be wrong). These are overly simplified, but hopefully you understand why your question doesn't fit.

EDIT: And as for my original reply to you, your focus should be on the "claim" part. I'm not stupid enough to make a claim I cannot make a legitimate attempt to prove.

Adeptus TerraOct 9, 20153 votes

I would say that being agnostic is the ability to believe but not necessarily believing. Or even believing but not being entirely sure. As for El Hamstero, he is just ignorant. Many "Myths" have been proven to be real, or even just misunderstandings of things. What they may have considered a demon during the dark-ages through to the Renaissance may simply have been birth defects. This would make daemons real, just exaggerated. As for God, I am a firm believer of science, however some things cannot be explained by science. They may one day, but for now we can only question.

redniwediSOct 9, 20151 votes

As for God, I am a firm believer of science, however some things cannot be explained by science. They may one day, but for now we can only question.

Agreed and well said.

EL HAMSTEROOct 9, 20151 votes

the correct time to believe in something is when there is evidence for it. the more ridiculous the claim, the more evidence you need. to say you have to believe everything is possible until you find proof otherwise is nonsense.

thats why the invisible dragons. agnostics have to say 'well maybe. i guess there coudl be invisible dragons' when anyone with basic common sense can throw them out.

redniwediSOct 9, 20151 votes

agnostics have to say 'well maybe. i guess there coudl be invisible dragons' when anyone with basic common sense can throw them out.

No. In order for this situation to work you first have to make the claim that invisible dragons are real. Anyone who understands how claims work will then ask you to support said claim. You will be unable to, and so your statement fails.

EL HAMSTEROOct 9, 20151 votes

you are slowly getting my point.

what you say is exactly like the claims about god. no one can support them and so they fail.

but agnostics believe some claims are unknown and maybe unknowable and therefore possible. that makes god possible. that makes invisible dragons possible. - to an agnostic.

redniwediSOct 9, 20151 votes

No, it makes you an idiot for making such a claim. Agnostics recognize that somethings are impossible to prove. Some think they are inherently impossible to prove, where as others simply think we cannot yet prove them.

In the case of God there are possible situations in which a creator could exist while leaving no physical evidence we could use. Any argument made supporting this would have to concede that, according to current evidence, it is equally likely that a god does and does not exist.

Because of these points a true agnostic will not make a claim either way. They will state what they believe (beliefs do not require hard facts to support them) and follow it up by saying it is possible they are wrong.

You, however, will have made the claim that invisible dragons exist. Since this is a claim and not a personal belief you will be required to provide hard evidence to support it. You will be required to provide said evidence before the conversation can continue, as is the case with anyone who makes a claim that is to be taken seriously.

Your attempt to insult agnostics will have failed by the time you get half way into your ridiculous hypothetical situation.

TLDR: Agnostics don't make unsupportable claims, atheists do.

EL HAMSTEROOct 9, 20151 votes

{quoted} according to current evidence, it is equally likely that a god does and does not exist.

lol. 50% chance! how did you figure those odds? there either is a god or there isnt 50/50?

You, however, will have made the claim that invisible dragons exist. Since this is a claim and not a personal belief you will be required to provide hard evidence to support it. You will be required to provide said evidence before the conversation can continue, as is the case with anyone who makes a claim that is to be taken seriously.

you are saying you can tell the difference between a claim and a personal belief and that if someone actually believes something it means they dont have to provide any evidence for it. if they Really believe it we all just have to think it could be possible. LOL again.

you are embarrassing yourself even worse than that other guy.

redniwediSOct 9, 20151 votes

you are saying you can tell the difference between a claim and a personal belief and that if someone actually believes something it means they dont have to provide any evidence for it. if they Really believe it we all just have to think it could be possible. LOL again.

If you're not going to even try to understand what I'm typing why even bother replying?

Knowledge comes in three types; the cleverly named knowledge, belief, and faith.

Faith is when a piece of information either has no evidence or contradictory evidence. Theists use this to support their views, and only a moron would attempt to use logic to argue against something that does not require evidence.

Belief has some evidence, however the evidence is not enough to support a claim. This would cover stuff like bigfoot. Technically there is evidence, however the validity of said evidence is up for debate. Most people who do not know what they are talking about use this when trying to support a claim.

Knowledge, however, requires concrete evidence. This covers stuff like the third law of motion. We've observed, tested, and verified that it is in fact the case. This is what is required to support a claim. If you make a claim it is your duty to provide the evidence.

People are allowed to believe whatever they want, as the common use of belief is covered by the first two mentioned types of knowledge. Claims, however, are only governed by the third.

If a person working off of belief or faith makes a claim it is your right to request evidence. I don't personally recommend making the request when they are working on faith.

Hopefully this clears things up for you, as you didn't seem to understand what I was saying. All claims require evidence in order to be valid, and all invalid claims (like your invisible dragon thing) can be safely ignored.

LICENSED HOOKEROct 8, 20157 votes

Tbh, as another family raised christian. I just wont play with the skin? I clearly cant stop it.. So i guess ill always ban vi ;_; .... But if you really wanna go deep, this whole game should make you quit i mean have u checked out the lore lol..

Goodest GamerOct 8, 20151 votes

can u afk whenever a vi on ur team uses that skin thanks.

LICENSED HOOKEROct 8, 20154 votes

what..

TrylobyteOct 8, 20156 votes

Does Morgana make you similarly uncomfortable?

DariusDemiurgeOct 8, 20151 votes

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Does make you similarly uncomfortable?

She makes me uncomfortable when down stairs puts up a circus tent. :^)

Trash MammaIOct 8, 20155 votes

showed Vi having the Mark ( or Number ) of the Beast on her leg, and have been praying over whether or not I should quit LoL or not.

Are you serious? Get the hell off the boards with this stupid crap. NOBODY cares about your religion. NOBODY cares about the 6/6/6 it's just a funny joke to add to the DEMON Vi skin.

It being a harmless skin is one thing but are you REALLY on the INTERNET discussing RELIGION?

It's people like you that make other people really REALLLY hate religious people.

And yes i'm a little "u mad tho" about this because Christians really annoy me when they try to complain about stuff like this. I for one would be pissed off if they removed the VI VI VI on her leg because of some religious bastards like yourself.

They better not touch my Waifu's new skin

redniwediSOct 8, 20159 votes

People like you are why we can't discuss certain topics on the internet. The OP came on here with a concern that is close to their heart and wanted feedback from other members of the community.

You respond with hostility and insults. You are the problem here, not the OP.

71389310_DELOct 8, 20153 votes

I'm sorry if I've offended you. I had no intention of complaining about/offending Vi/her player base, Riot's choice of a demonic skin for her or the LoL community.

Duke AnaxOct 8, 20155 votes

You know, the Number of the Beast is 616 not 666.

The newer Bibles have so many copy errors ...

Maximum MordeOct 9, 20154 votes

All hail Teemo our Lord and Master.

http://pre06.deviantart.net/ab78/th/pre/i/2015/092/9/1/teemo__the_satan_by_solracsevla-d8mk9t7.jpg

OverpoweredSoapOct 8, 20153 votes

Do Ezreal and Taric make you uncomfortable?

Anyways, no it doesn't, and I was raised religious as well.

HentRexOct 8, 20153 votes

Why would Ezreal or Taric make anyone uncomfortable?

redniwediSOct 9, 20151 votes

They wouldn't, but the fanfiction would...

CressiliaOct 9, 20153 votes

If THIS upset you, how much do you know about this game? There are demon CHAMPIONS and ideals in this game. Precisely, it's a game. I am also a Christian and this doesn't bother me because 1) Riot isnt forcing this skin onto me 2) It's just a game 3) This doesnt "tempt" me to satanic things or affect my religion in anyway. I don't think it should bother you that much. My opinion. Please don't rage at me ;-;

71389310_DELOct 9, 20154 votes

Please don't worry; I feel no rage toward you and am glad you shared your opinion. With that said I do feel you misunderstand my feels. I am uncomfortable, not upset; and while I understand the game has demonic champions what has me uncomfortable is the mark on her leg and not the demons themselves. Deities, their follower and their opposer have long been apart of fictional literature, movies, and music and I have no problem with them as long as these fictional characters are not religion-specific. With that said, I felt adding the mark onto a fictional character was just a bit much and simply wanted to see if anybody else in the community agreed with me. If anything, I should thank you for sharing your opinion; it lets me better know how the community feels about the skin ( like all the posts on this board do ) and that was the original intent behind this thread.

With that said, I'd like to direct your attention to...

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The big key here is the separation of reality from fiction. No I'm not going to be an idiot and say "demons arn't real" or anything, as reality really has nothing to do with this topic.

Demons, gods, angels, and other religious themed creatures have been a staple part of fiction for years. Everything from Dungeons & Dragons to modern television shows use these things to varying degrees in place of having to come up with new creatures to fit a similar role from scratch. It's all about giving the good guys something to fight and overcome as the struggle between good and evil is one of the oldest themes in literature.

Angels are already a canon part of League, so having their opposite (even if it's just a cosmetic skin) would be a natural next step.

EDIT: Just to be clear you have my upvote. You had a problem with something involving the game, and your first course of action was to start a discussion. We need more posters like you on here.

And also...

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Thanks for the feedback!

I too understand deities, their follower and their opposer are a staple of fiction in literature, movies, music, etc. I actually enjoy(ed) the theme of the skin but just felt adding the Mark on her leg took it a little too far and was curious if anybody else thought so.

A bit off the main topic: I'm still waiting on Divine after the release of Reaper .

CressiliaOct 9, 20152 votes

I think it was pretty cool, the way they used her tattoo. Yea, a little unnecessary, but still neat nonetheless. By the way, the way you spoke so formally made me read your comment in a fancy British lady voice XD

RalanthaOct 9, 20153 votes

I'm uncomfortable with it because it looks cheesy and really gross in general :/ I respect your beliefs , OP, and anyone else's. I hope that you don't let it ruin the game.

OxbridgeOct 9, 20153 votes

Demonblade Tryndamere anyone?

I am Christian to a point, but I want to explore this on a different level.

Actually, I do feel like posting something here that hasn't been said before. Let's discuss this from a purely anthropological perspective. Anthropology, being the study of humankind, should serve us well in keeping this away from christian or atheist (or troll...) arguments. Now let's look at the facts. Demon Vi is indeed a representation of a demon in the christian/catholic mythos. As has already been said, the designers of this skin probably made it for 2 reasons: 1, it's quite simply bad-ass, and 2, it can represent a champion that must be defeated by the forces of light and good. However, with that said in mind, the designer of this skin does have knowledge of the Christian/Catholic mythos and knows that VI is the roman numeral for the number 6. Making it appear 3 times like that is indeed some kind of homage or affront to Christianity - to be honest, who knows; it doesn't matter. What matters is that it's there. The question must then be asked as to why the designer of the skin felt it necessary to include such a "mark" which has deeply rooted cultural symbology attached to it. What matters is not the perceived power that the "mark" possesses, but the intent of why it's included. If it's meant as a joke or pun, then I have to put into question the designer's cultural sensitivity.

From a business perspective, does Riot believe that they're going to get the desired profit margins from this skin by excluding most religious people from purchasing this skin due to their beliefs? Who knows. But for that very reason is why I'd censor it. I want money, not scandals.

I will be buying this skin. I am a Christian. I'm graduated from a public university. I am mature enough to either ignore or be tolerant of the artwork in this game.

TL;DR - Remove religion from the discussion. Why does the skin have something which offends certain groups of people? Will it affect purchases of the skin and Riot's profit margins?

I'm open to questions and real criticisms of my arguments. If you troll this, I will not respond to you.

GotShivGGOct 9, 20153 votes

OP is the reason I have no hope for the human race

HelmightOct 8, 20152 votes

I'm Catholic and I've got no issue with the skin. Like Redniwedis said earlier in the thread, demons are staple fantasy creatures that have little to do with religion. Using Demon Vi in-game is not glorifying the mark of the beast or any such thing. It's just a sick-ass Vi skin :P

Adeptus TerraOct 9, 20152 votes

This post is way to touchy for me to comment on lol. I think that you should reflect on how you personally feel about the game. If I were in your position I simply would not purchase the skin, that being said I completely understand where you are coming from, religion is a big part of peoples lives. Maybe ask your church leader or parental figure.

SincarnationOct 9, 20152 votes

Holy crap this is a serious thread /facepalm

Its a fun optional skin that you dont have to purchase, dont like its existence? Stop playing, no one will miss you. Don't want to support a game with demonic themes? Too late, Gatekeeper Galio and Infernal Ryze.

If there is a god out there petty enough to sentence people to eternal punishment over fake images in a recreational game, then it isnt worth your respect let alone your worship.

AntiSkillshotOct 9, 20152 votes

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Holy crap this is a serious thread /facepalm

Its a fun optional skin that you dont have to purchase, dont like its existence? Stop playing, no one will miss you. Don't want to support a game with demonic themes? Too late, Gatekeeper Galio and Infernal Ryze.

If there is a god out there petty enough to sentence people to eternal punishment over fake images in a recreational game, then it isnt worth your respect let alone your worship.

Great good reading. It's not the theme, it's the number on her leg that's the problem. Seriously, if they could remove that single thing. Everything would be fine.

SincarnationOct 9, 20151 votes

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Great good reading. It's not the theme, it's the number on her leg that's the problem. Seriously, if they could remove that single thing. Everything would be fine.

Or alternatively they could not pander to whiny nonsense, and leave it. Its a part of the skin, its thematic, its cool. Don't like it don't buy it. Can't handle it? Stop playing, simple enough.

The "mark of the beast" is a part of the demonic theme btw

The blatant violence and other demonic themes are alright, no its the Vi three times on the leg of a skin in SPLASH ART that cant be seen in game normally, thats the straw that broke the camel's back? No, fuck off with your nonsense.

AntiSkillshotOct 9, 20151 votes

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Or alternatively they could not pander to whiny nonsense, and leave it. Its a part of the skin, its thematic, its cool. Don't like it don't buy it. Can't handle it? Stop playing, simple enough.

he "mark of the beast" is a part of the demonic theme btw

The blatant violence and other demonic themes are alright, no its the Vi three times on the leg of a skin in SPLASH ART that cant be seen in game normally, thats the straw that broke the camel's back? No, fuck off with your nonsense.

Actually, no. The Mark is related to the Anti-Christ. Not demons specifically. I mean, seriously, we have Atrox, Morgana, and Tahm, which are demons. Yet, none of them have the mark. It's possible to have a demon without the mark. And, yes. It broke the camel's back so hard, the camel looks like it's upside down.

DeynaTaggerungOct 9, 20152 votes

It's edgy but I don't think this is something that is worth worrying about because it's clearly doesn't really have anything to do with the actual prophecy refering to the number 666. You don't have to buy the skin but neither does it mean Riot is endorsed by the devil.

DrCyanideOct 8, 20151 votes

This is why I hate the book of Revelations, no one thinks about what's actually written there they just accept the media hyped interpretations...

Will Demon Vi, either by being in the game or by being purchased by you, cause you to get a mark on your right hand or on your forehead? Will you be unable to buy skins or sell skins unless you have said mark or type in "Demon Vi" anywhere in the client?

If you answered "No" to both of those questions, then it's not what John was referring to in Revelations!!!!

Understand your religion before you get blown about by every wind of "doctrine". Read Revelations 13 for yourself and see if any of that sounds like it's referring to this skin.

redniwediSOct 8, 20151 votes

Maybe you should calm down...

The OP said the mark being on the skin made them uncomfortable. The OP did not say they were afraid they or others would receive the mark from the skin.

Try not to jump to conclusions when it comes to sensitive issues like this one.

DrCyanideOct 8, 20152 votes

My point is it's not a sensitive topic nor one to make you uncomfortable if you actually know Christian beliefs. If you just kinda go along with things but don't look to understand for yourself, then yes, it is scary.

I can understand the immodest dress or suggestive nature of some of the games skins, splash arts, or dances making people uncomfortable. I get that. The OP's post gives the impression they're uncomfortable only by the VI VI VI on the leg though, which is something they should come to understand if they don't already.

Maybe I'm a bit on edge because I've run into people in the past who troll post as ignorant Christians, ramping up all the stereotypes they can in an effort to look stupid and to get an anti-Christian discussion going. This post sounds dangerously close to that for my tastes. If I come off a bit harsh and the OP is trolling, then they at least realize that Christian is not a synonym for a mindless idiot. If the OP isn't trolling, then yes, I've come off too harsh, but hopefully it's enough to make them re-think why they thought the number 666 was problematic.

redniwediSOct 8, 20152 votes

From my experience any religious topic is a sensitive topic when it comes to the internet.

Until the OP replies I'm going to assume they are just voicing their opinion and asking for opinions in turn. It's a bit like me saying I'm uncomfortable around spiders. I don't mind there being spider imagery in League, or even having a spider near me IRL, but that doesn't mean I can't have an irrational feeling about spiders.

If the OP does reply, however, I'll keep your post in mind.

FalconBlitzkriegOct 8, 20151 votes

I hope you realize that Morgana is a League's version of Lucifer, and Thresh is the Grim Reaper. Don't let your religion interfere with good/bad design choices.

Trash MammaIOct 8, 20156 votes

is the Grim Reaper.

Kindred .... Karthus ....

ModIts Yuu and MiOct 9, 20151 votes

Why does this have 13 upvotes, holy fucking shit.

I don't think it says anywhere in the Bible that playing a make believe video game where you get to beat up someone who has a pretend costume as a demon is bad.

This is so pathetic, holy, crap.

It's a make believe character, in a make believe costume, and if you don't like it? Go kill the people playing that skin in game, go slay every Demon Vi you see until they're 0/10.

Holy. Shit.

What the actual fuck.

redniwediSOct 9, 20152 votes

Did you actually read what the OP said? If so, would you say similar things if I made a thread about being uncomfortable at the sight of Lolipoppy and wanted feedback from people on the boards here? It's the same exact thing.