Baron when way ahead.

Blobby Flay·Oct 6, 2014·2 votes·1,037 views

Tonight I was playing a game and my internet cut out on me. I felt horrible and figured that the game was probably another loss due to the stage we were at when I disconnected. Much to my surprise, I came back to this: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1571067523/35608338 I saw the victory and could only think one thing: "they must have done Baron and died as a result" I don't know why, but it seems that people in this bronze and silver bracket seem to thing that getting Baron is the one thing they need to be able to close out a game in which they are ridiculously ahead. Please stop this people. If you are already way ahead of the enemy team, Baron gives you a minimal relative advantage at a ridiculously high risk. This team went from a 5 thousand gold lead 5v4 to the loss of the game in literally one minute. Think about what you gain and what you risk when you do things, fellow low MMR kinfolk. I promise it is a huge step towards improving your success in LoL.

10 Comments

WorgslargOct 6, 20142 votes

The baron buff is an insane boost to a team 5v5, but it does not make a 4v5 viable, or a splitpush teamcomp vs a teamfight comp a wise fight.

Duke AnaxOct 6, 20141 votes

You din't quite read OP, did you?

They were not trying a Baron 4v5 to come back.

The enemy team took a Baron 5v4 and lost because of that.

From the match history it looks like they they couldn't get out after baron. They were aced and lost four towers before they could respawn.

The MormonatorOct 6, 20141 votes

I will only argue that sometimes baron is a good way to get the enemy team to try and challenge you for it. But if you lose that taunt...well...gg...

Blobby FlayOct 6, 20142 votes

I will only argue that sometimes baron is a good way to get the enemy team to try and challenge you for it. But if you lose that taunt...well...gg...

Oh definitely. One of my favorite things to do is clear enemy wards and literally sit in the Baron pit to make them anxious. As soon as a support or someone comes to ward, you can often get a good ambush off that snowballs into closing out the game. This is more directed to the people that are sitting with all the lanes pushed to inhib turret and a huge lead that go "hey guys let's get Baron!" Its just like... Why??? I guess I can't complain here. My team won a game that should have been a loss because of my internet. The thing is, I've lost games for the same reason and told them before they started that it was a bad idea. Idk... Spreading awareness, I guess. xP

ValyrianBladeOct 6, 20141 votes

agree with the post. funnily enough I tried exactly this last night and it failed miserably. We were better players but we're waaay behind because both of our bot laners didn't connect until the enemy bot Lane was level 4 (5 by the time they got to Lane). so after a while they've caught up a bit and I score a 1v2 double kill mid (their mid and jungle) so I call for us to push the lane then set a pick near Baron hoping to get a couple free kills to bring us back in the game. The other team waits for the respawn (wasn't long since only level 12/13) then comes as 5 and obviously we get crushed in the 5v5 teamfight (our only hope was to get picks). Was a lost game anyways but funny how some teams know how to react when so many just rush in thinking they'll be the hero to steal Baron 1v5. We were aced then promptly surrendered.

BF123456789Oct 6, 20141 votes

I like sneaky duoing Baron while 3 other members of my team are on the field

icefrogyNov 18, 20141 votes

Are you talking about bronze and silver? then stop talking cauz it does not matter. They can hardly make any decisions or follow any decisions.

I have to tell you I will surely take baron if I have a huge lead, that would barely lead to my downfall but only makes it a more certain win.

Ofc, my teammates have to listen to me. That is why it does not work in bronze/silver, they are the worst soldiers, never be able to follow an order.

Drunk RummateNov 18, 20141 votes

most people end up getting caught out and dying after baron anyways. they assume they're invincible and go splitpush and get 5 manned while they're alone. what a worthless objective. just kill towers people.

DromeasNov 18, 20141 votes

Actually If you look at the stats and the information given by the match history you can see that nobody died AT ALL near baron, it was never contested and only take once by the purple team. In fact the reason they won was a particularly good team fight around the southeast river near mid lane@46:00 (2 mins or so after Baron buff wore off on Purple team) where they traded 4 for 2 in a 4v4 (Jinx was caught out by Yasuo and then Amumu got caught out shortly after and then Zed traded his life for Yasuo and then Trynd steamrolled the other team where only Jinx escaped) this meant that Jinx was all alone with her team at 50s+ death timers which lead to a desperation play by Jinx which she lost (probably due to the CC of Leona and then FED and FARMED Tryndamere) the two then destroyed the two turrets and let the minions kill the nexus/ fended the purple team while supers killed the nexus.

Beside that your point is correct, that Baron isn't necessary to win the game, because it's a trap for teams that are ahead because it makes it a 6v5 (5+Baron Vs 5) where they have a lower chance of beating the team instead of a straight 5v5 teamfight.

THAT BEING SAID there is something that can be learnt from this game, which is NEVER GET CAUGHT OUT. the reason that you won that game is because Jinx was pushing out bot alone and got caught out by Yasuo. This lead to a pseudo 4v4 where purple team was caught out right after he (possibly his team) killed dragon. Another thing to note, is that your team out warded the other team by 15 excluding your wards. The wards helped your team to catch out the Purple team and then force a messy team fight where your team came out on top.

TL;DR Don't do baron unless necessary, don't get caught out, buy,place,kill tons of wards.

But what do I know? I'm only a silver player that barely made gold an hour before the deadline.

DromeasNov 18, 20141 votes

Actually If you look at the stats and the information given by the match history you can see that nobody died AT ALL near baron, it was never contested and only taken once by the purple team (Purple team lost Baron due to a horrible team fight @44:00 where they got aced for a turret and 1 kill). In fact the reason they won was a particularly good team fight around the southeast river near mid lane@46:00 where they traded 4 for 2 in a 4v4 (Jinx was caught out by Yasuo earlier, and then Amumu got caught out shortly after and then Zed traded his life for Yasuo and then Trynd steamrolled the other team) this meant that Jinx was all alone with her team at 50s+ death timers which lead to a desperation play by Jinx which she lost (probably due to the CC of Leona and then FED and FARMED Tryndamere) the two then destroyed the two turrets and let the minions kill the nexus/ fended the purple team while supers killed the nexus.

Beside that, your point is correct, Baron isn't necessary to win the game, because it's a trap for teams that are ahead making it a 6v5 (5+Baron Vs 5) where they have a lower chance of beating the team instead of a straight 5v5 teamfight.

Last thing to note, is that your team out warded the other team by 14 excluding your wards. The wards helped your team to catch out the Purple team and then force a messy team fight where your team came out on top.

TL;DR Don't do baron unless necessary, don't get caught out, buy,place,kill tons of wards.

But what do I know? I'm only a silver player that barely made gold an hour before the deadline.