How to deal with toxic players, what is toxic?

MRMourninWood··3 votes·985 views

So the term toxic comes up alot and I think people are misusing it, quite a bit.

I often see the people who make mistakes and other experienced players try to coach wig out, and the would be good Samaritan gets reported for negative attitude or verbal abuse or w/e for saying: please buy magic resist you really need it, or get a defense item or hp or w.e. or simply trying to give tips.

So toxic I see gets defined as anyone who has a negative impact on the game. "you suck, your'e not following the meta, go kill yourself, I fed it's the jungler's fault when I feed" all of which are obviously toxic, the game is all situation and bad things happen to people sometimes sure, but I don't think the meta for how people normally builds triumphs the needs of the game, and criticizing them without any intelligent form for improvement hurts only yourself. Saying you suck doesn't help them improve, you HAVE to say what they could have done better.

SECONDLY How does one address unskilled individuals without being toxic, when they are already at 200% hostility to any form of criticism... Obviously you don't want to leave a weak link in your team, you want to build them up and make them stronger.

I will give an example, you're a support because nobody else wanted to, and your first pick adc CANNOT dodge a skill for ANYTHING, cannot get the last hit in, doesn't trinket when they push and has 0 game mechanics. When blitz throws a grab he runs in a strait line and get grabbed. Then they rant: I wish I had a real fucking support! My support sucks! Classic toxic noob.

SOOOOOO. You cannot give them advice or how to improve, they already assume they know what's what and that they are better then you. You can't give any positive feed back, because there isn't any positive thing TO say about them. The average player might get in a shit storm rage war with them, or mute them and go roam to positively affect the team, Still this form of reducing the conflict STILL gets you reported as toxic. You can get reported for anything and the game will suspend you for enough reports, undeserved for trying your best.

Any thoughts guys?

17 Comments

disregardable1 votes

Classic toxic noob

In defense of this, you probably did suck as a support. He may be having a rough match (believe me, there are games when I get one minion per wave and games where I only miss a creep every 3 waves), but that doesn't make how well you are doing any better. There probably was a lot you could've done to help him, not in that second but earlier, to prevent that from happening. Dying just happens to be a really good time to type when you're specifically irritated.

Also, anyone that has ever played this game knows to not try. If you really think it's a problem, you can just generally say "everyone on the team buy MR, we're gonna need it", but they're not going to listen to that.

MRMourninWood3 votes

actually that support reference wasn't to a specific game. and frankly what I just described would be the worst of players. Some people have lag that causes all of those symptoms but if that was the case they would just say "im sorry im lagging hard" or something. In any case that skill level affects the game negatively, and the attitude would be atrocious, making them truely toxic.

You could be the best support on earth, and have your adc walk out and get grabbed and die every time they come to lane. In which case depending on your champion the best thing you can do is counter attack for as long as you can then disengage, and use w/e skills you have to try and help them, or save them if the outcome is already definite.

The big question was what do you do for someone who can't play the basic game and won't listen.

On the following note this is what I personally define to be the basic skills of any good player.

  1. timing for movement, attack and cast, click move.
  2. reflex to skill shots, click move,
  3. positioning and map awareness.
  4. Good rune set.
  5. follow up on team mates mistakes/plays covering their failures and complimenting the openings they make.
  6. Buying the right items at the right time.

“Water shapes its course according to the nature of the ground over which it flows; the soldier works out his victory in relation to the foe whom he is facing.” - The Art of War

disregardable1 votes

Sorry, I was working off of real assumptions, that being your teammates are reasonably as skilled as you are. You know, the way Riot designed the game. You can claim that you're god-tier for your division, and the people that you play with that have bad games are just irreparably bad. You're entitled to that delusion.

MRMourninWood2 votes

You don't have to be apple or a master french chef to think an apple pie tastes good.

Trinityunicorn2 votes

The big question was what do you do for someone who can't play the basic game and won't listen.

What would you do for a real life friend that was having that problem?

MRMourninWood2 votes

real life friend is different there is a basic level of respect and trust in each others judgement. There's lack of respect online. Ok this one is a real scenario

We had a leona with 30 suppport masteries and no defence in her runes, got a bunch of giants belts and kept feeding vayne. I made the transition to armor, even as mid I got a randuins. Xin top got a thornmail and so did vi jungler. Leona told us to fuck off because she didnt need armor. Team kindly asked several times, we didnt insult her, we explained why randiuns and frozen heart and ninja tabi was a good idea. Didnt listen. its w/e.

Raptamei1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=EW4dkqtp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2014-12-26T08:45:42.269+0000)

In defense of this, you probably did suck as a support.

Yes, because a good support can prevent the adc from getting grabbed.

disregardable1 votes

A good support can actually apply pressure to the lane and help clear off from the tower, to prevent them from having the balls to walk up and grab you. So, yes. Yes you can.

Raptamei1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=EW4dkqtp,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2014-12-26T12:13:47.981+0000)

A good support can actually apply pressure to the lane and help clear off from the tower, to prevent them from having the balls to walk up and grab you. So, yes. Yes you can.

You're Leona. Now what.

MRMourninWood2 votes

well if he can't dodge because he lacks that skill, obviously I stand in front of him to get grabbed instead because I set myself up for pure tank, or I deliberately bait the grab and dodge it. I can also zone them.

And if blitz is out of position for the grab Ile just jump him.

Also in the scenario above if you took the time to read this was assuming he fed pre level 6 several times and they have the capability to just smash you because hes THAT far behind.

Aerothal1 votes

cass is toxic as hell. so is teemo and elise. and that damn singed.

HitsFromTheBomb1 votes

haha ironic the thread reads like a battle with the same people the OP is posting about lol

MRMourninWood1 votes

I know right? lol but hey the beauty of conversation is opposing beliefs.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Give them alcohol:

Alcohol + Acid = Neutral

PROBLEM SOLVED!!

MRMourninWood1 votes

Erm... Alcohol is acidic. Base + Acid = nuetral and that would be tums.

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