No More Trolls

ElitEskimo·Aug 13, 2014·1 votes·678 views

Get rid of those pesky trolls and bullies in queue!

INTRODUCING: Queue-bans.

If someone in queue informs their prospective team that he or she intends to feed or otherwise troll, a unanimous vote from the other four should remove said person from queue--docking 5 LP and preventing future queues for 20 mins.

Obviously this could be abused--by vengeful opponents, mean spirited children, etc. But unless the troll-in-question has got a reputation, then it's hard to believe 4 other players would ban him or her for no reason.

Indeed, many a troll game could be salvaged with a pre-game mechanism.

I know right? Effective.

13 Comments

Angry MonsterAug 13, 20143 votes

or the trolls will not say anything adjusting their patterns to the new system and then you get trolled in game anyways.

ElitEskimoAug 13, 20141 votes

True. Some won't be able to be stopped. Would you suggest that we just keep things just the way they are then, or perhaps make the ban more freely available?

MackleDogeAug 13, 20143 votes

I would say we shouldn't implement an awful feature like this to begin with. If people want to troll, they are going to. Report them and move on. Giving players the ability to force people out of queue will be abused, and a feature that can be abused so easily should never be implemented. Generating a new problem is never an acceptable outcome when developing a solution.

ElitEskimoAug 13, 20141 votes

"Report them and move on" does not prevent the ranked trolling in the first place. I'm simply suggesting a votekick feature like those that have been widely successful in Blizzard gaming. People tend to sober up and avoid needless nonsense when they could face not-playing.

This is why you see people type a lot more before a game starts, then quiet down and troll when it has commenced. The purpose of this system is to rid trolls from games when they have made it painfully clear that they are trolling.

MackleDogeAug 13, 20141 votes

Nothing prevents ranked trolling to begin with. So you can go ahead and give up on that one. Your system is flawed, it has been explained why in every single thread where a feature like this is brought up and has already been stated as not happening by Riot officials. This isn't a new idea, and just like the last dozen posts about it, it's still a bad one.

ElitEskimoAug 13, 20141 votes

You have not demonstrated logically why it's a failed idea. You can say "abuse" and fear all you want. You can say that it would be hard to do, but the fact of the matter is that Riot is ignoring a problem. That's the current situation.

People openly declare their intention to troll, in ranked queues. And if you want not to be in that game, you dodge. This would be fine if Riot didn't punish each and every dodge--but they do. They have an imperfect system and right now the negative externalities of their imperfections harm honest players.

I'm simply suggesting that we rework the system so that in the case where there are **FOUR HONEST PLAYERS **and ONE TROLL the one troll will suffer instead of the honest players.

MackleDogeAug 13, 20141 votes

Why should I go hunting through for the dozens of other posts exactly like this one just to quote the people that are saying the exact same thing as Kchaosrei and I am? If you haven't payed attention to the topic in other threads and post a duplicate I'm not responsible for linking you all those threads. I'm not saying it is hard to do, I'm saying it is impossible to do. I'm saying that Riot has already said they won't do it. For every person that says "I'm going to troll." there are 10 others that don't and then proceed to troll anyways. You're system does nothing for that. Waste of resources. For every person that says "I'm going to troll." there are 10 more that don't and end up deciding to troll because of a bad play or something a teammate said. Your system does nothing for that. Waste of resources. Riot should not invest resources into a system that will not solve the problem. You are playing an online game with anonymous people over the internet. No matter what systems you try to put in place, you will never entirely remove bad experiences.

You can ignore that all you want, it doesn't change the fact that this system will not work and it won't be implemented. Just because you seem to be able to ignore abuse potential and then cry "but logic!" doesn't mean us actually reasonable people can or will. A system that relies on people not abusing it to be effective is a bad system.

ElitEskimoAug 13, 20141 votes

It doesn't rely on people not abusing it. The system relies on most people not ganging up 4v1 for no reason. And lest you forget, LoLking and LoLnexus exist. So if someone is concerned that someone MIGHT be a troll, they can simply type there name in the background before the game starts.

If someone regularly trolls, then they deserve to get queue-kicked. Riot is using a permanent ban these days, or will soon. That is far more heavy-handed and irrational.

Angry MonsterAug 13, 20142 votes

I think you are missing the point that you are not solving anything. Riot checks pregame logs if you indicate them on the report.

Also what are you going to do when trolls just start duoing? They will lock out the ablity to kick them out.

Riot has stated many times for these reasons and others why they can not do the ban/kick from game feature. You have to try and reslove these issues before these posts can be consider legit. Just making another post i want this feature and not solving the issues of why they can not be implemented does not work.

Riot is not going to spend more time on something when they have shown why X does not work.

ElitEskimoAug 13, 20141 votes

I believe that you are overestimating the possibility that four strangers will cooperate to kick someone from queue without a reason. If trolls have to duo to troll they impact fewer games (condensed) and they are more likely to grow tired of one another throwing.

You can offer the same excuses against the Tribunal at all--it will be abused. My point here is not to create perfection but to take a step further in the direction of PREVENTING trolling, rather than retroactively punishing it. Besides, theories do not demonstrate (as evidence) that a unanimous-vote system would fail.

They certainly can add an in-queue ban. They just haven't.

WorgslargAug 13, 20142 votes

Well, suppose someone picks an off-meta pick.( or rarely picked champ)

People dont want that, and bam.

ElitEskimoAug 13, 20141 votes

Sure, I agree that sometimes someone who picks Fiddlesticks Top or Trynd ADC will get banned--even if they could pull it off. But if you are sincere and plead your case, the chances are ONE reasonable person will refuse to ban you. And it is for precisely this reason that the vote would need to be unanimous.

The alternative is the current situation where you are stuck for an hour with someone you know is trolling. Blatantly and remorselessly. Or you could take the LP hit yourself, as a non-troll who dodges for the sake of the game. But that's not fair.

SunfieldAug 13, 20142 votes

Funny that your title says no more trolls when it wouldnt come even close to solving the problem, more like it would create a few new problems on its own.

"But its better than nothing"

Highly questionable. I assure you, before Riot decided to drop it, they have done lots of playtesting that proved said idea ineffective.