Can someone explain Eve's passive to me please.

Knalxz·Jan 11, 2015·48 votes·6,115 views

After playing this game for a year I just now noticed this.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/22/22245ec50d01a5ff81c2df94c3e4edddea0b99b6fff1f259c4cd62ab13bbc3a5.jpg

Worst ability ever.

70 Comments

DreamLeviathanJan 11, 201514 votes

What, it's always easy to notice the shimmer of their stealth field once they get closer.

S0NAJan 11, 20157 votes

Yea... Immune to wards and mixed damage...

She might not be top tier, but she's perfectly viable.

UiruJan 12, 201517 votes

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Yea... Immune to wards and mixed damage...

She might not be top tier, but she's perfectly viable.

Mixed damage means no pen. She's also melee, her spam spell is short range, drains mana, and has been nerfed hilariously (Lag Spikes?), she's squishy as hell and also her damage sucks. Least satisfying ult in the game, her "gapcloser" is only called that on the loosest of technicalities, and her e is just a mess. There's a reason she's forced into nonsense tank builds- she lost the ability to actually assassinate a LONG time ago. And since she's not a tank, with no tank stats, she's not very good at it!

Riot either needs to man up and tell the bronzies what a sweeper trinket does, or they need to rework her AGAIN. ~Uiru

Auz the RipperJan 12, 201520 votes

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Least satisfying ult in the game

Urgot

gubigubiJan 12, 20157 votes

Urgots ult can honestly be very funny when you know how to use it.

7ha7guy777Jan 12, 20155 votes

like using it while you're in your fountain. suddenly Urgot's ult does damage

gubigubiJan 12, 20152 votes

Well its not meant to do damage its meant to put the enemy team in a bad position while you get bonus defensive stats to keep you alive. Urgots ult is pretty strong in 1v1s as well.

PæanJan 12, 20156 votes

At least he supresses and pulls someone out of position.

Evelynn just does some spikes that no mattter what wont kill anyone. And her ulti is her only form of CC unless you build a Rylai's.

SirFeedselotJan 12, 20154 votes

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What's unsatisfying about being able to shut someone down during a teamfight? His normal abilities let him poke defensive teams, his ult lets him punish an aggressive one.

People think that ult is only there to throw themselves into the enemy team, Urgot used to be a good damn character before they nerfed him for countering ADC bottom lane.

Chaotic ReksJan 12, 20157 votes

BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE SOMEONE KILLING RIOT'S GLORIOUS ADC'S!!!

SolaxoJan 12, 20154 votes

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It's one of the most satisfying ults in the game, disabling someone and placing him near your teammates..

Stop trolling, and l2p

Lajinn5Jan 12, 20151 votes

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It's one of the most satisfying ults in the game, disabling someone and placing him near your teammates..

Stop trolling, and l2p

People say its less satisfying because for the most part you pretty much sacrifice yourself to do so, unless you're building full tank(in which case you're worthless), have a thresh, or have a kalista soulbound to you

MeecciJan 12, 20151 votes

Dude, Urgot's ultimate is epic. Besides trading positions you get a bullshit amount of tank stats. People never take the time to read champion abilities, which is why my man Urgot is laughed at so much. I wouldn't take him to ranked, but in normals i tend to go 6/1 throughout laning phase, since if your good Urgot DOES NOT DIE.

DarkenedSoul420Jan 13, 20151 votes

Its awesome for setting upp jungle ganks during lane phase

Dr EasterJan 12, 20154 votes

Hey there. I only play Dominion so I'm not sure if this would work in SR (haven't played it for about 2 years). But there Eve with Hydra + IE (in Dom Lord Van Damm's Pillager) or Youmuu's is really strong. You can also build T Force + IE + Youmuu's. Or IE + Youmuu's right away then something for attack speed. After that go for tank items. In Dom we usually only have time for 2 or 3 items that cost close to 3k or more than that so I usually finish the build on that. The builds I found really usefull were IE + Youmuu's + Statikk Shiv or T Force + IE. In Dominion we have the health helics so not having life steal does not affect much but I'd get it for SR (via Spirit Visage). But in Dom we are in team fight all the time, however using her passive to walk around and get someone alone is really usefull so maybe it would work there too. Apologizes if this is useless for you, as I said not playing SR for about 2 years.

Edit: my runes are Melee AD and mastery AD. (Lolking)

qetzelJan 13, 20151 votes

Well, sweeper trinket won't stop her from running up to you without her being visible. You would have to know that she was coming earlier, which is unlikely, as she is invisible most of the time.

The problem, I think, is that pink wards are visible. They don't offer enough protection, as they are killed too quickly if you put them in spots that would otherwise stop a gank.

How would you rework her to keep her stealth without keeping the same problems?

LytebulbJan 12, 201517 votes

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Yea... Immune to wards and mixed damage...

She might not be top tier, but she's perfectly viable.

No, she's not viable.

PæanJan 12, 20151 votes

With the changes to her passive and her E now procing on-hit with each strike she will be a little stronger and more forgiving, but she isnt anywhere close to a LeeSin or Jarv4 in terms of being seen in EVERY single game.

DengedenJan 12, 20151 votes

Yea... Immune to wards

Should've just left it at that ^_^ She can't clear her jungle, she's useless right now.

SpreekJan 12, 20151 votes

You can easily clear the jungle if you're not terrible. Just abuse soft resets like a ranged champ does.

Eve Q is ranged and on a short enough CD to keep the camps soft resetting indefinitely.

DengedenJan 13, 20151 votes

I forgot that was a thing but you're partially wrong: The camps hard reset after 10 merry go rounds, no matter what you do. Since she's Melee, she has difficulty AAing the camps without taking damage (and if she doesn't AA, her clear is abyssmal)

SpreekJan 13, 20151 votes

10 times around is more than enough in most cases. Even if you eat some hits, you'll still be fairly healthy.

Also, most of the time you can get your autos in (you'll miss a few, but it's not that big a deal).

Samflash3Jan 12, 20157 votes

LeeSin A blind joke? Here goes.

LeeSin Even I can't see this...

Lee sin suddenly gets entombed in Ice Lissandra GTFO Lee Sin. It's Freelo Witch Time to shine!

Lissandra Ahem. Even I didn't see this coming.

SomeAsianChiggaJan 12, 20157 votes

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Pøssibility Jan 12, 20151 votes

lol

Samflash3Jan 12, 20152 votes

Heimerdinger I theorized that you would do that.

Zilean I knew you would do what you were going to do about what they did.

Poptart EvelynnJan 12, 20156 votes

Can't take half this thread seriously. Evelynn is my second most played champion and main jungler.

One - Regardless of what you all say, she can't dps for shit atm no matter what you build.

Two - Her main issue is she doesn't have a first jungle item that fits her well. Lizard was awesome and made jungle Eve work. Welp that's gone. Now that she doesn't have an early game or a late game she is now useless. The E changes might make devourer work but that sounds retarded to build on Eve.

Three - For the love of god stop talking about how Eve should be when you all don't even main her. Please shutup. I'm not up to let people change the feel of the champ for what they want when it's not what Eve players want. Most the people her played her less than 10 games. Wow...

Rew711Jan 12, 20153 votes

Well, it was already useless with its nerf but now we have the sightstones. But, if that's not the only problem, she undoes her "invisibility" to use her E which only gives bonus Movement Speed. And even that wasn't enough. Lets take away poke, power, and give her one good ability. Her W. But even with that, Rek'Sia's passive will show you where she is. I must also say, that even if she was as invisible as Teemo stealth running around, she'd only be playable again. T_T Glad its just terrible. BTW: I don't play Evelynn.

aaronconlinJan 12, 20153 votes

She's got some buffs on the PBE

Shadow Walk (Passive) now regenerates 2% of her missing mana every second up from 1% maximum mana.

Ravage (E) now states applies on-hit effects. (twice)

Btw, it's her W that gives movement speed.

RikariJan 12, 20156 votes

that won't help her playability,just Veigar 's/ item 3174 old passive and,well that E is pretty useless.

Thunder DreamssJan 12, 20151 votes

Given how often Eve builds Bork the on hit is not useless. It'll add 12% - 16% current health damage to her E. Not a huge boost but it'll be something to compensate for the mana regen nerf.

Chaotic ReksJan 12, 20151 votes

her regen is worse now...

RaptameiJan 12, 20153 votes

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She's got some buffs on the PBE

Shadow Walk (Passive) now regenerates 2% of her missing mana every second up from 1% maximum mana.

That's a nerf.

Ravage (E) now states applies on-hit effects. (twice)

Useless.

aaronconlinJan 12, 20152 votes

I misread the missing mana as maximum, but E adding 2 on-hit effects is hardly useless. Depending on the build, it would proc things like triforce, gauntlet, lich bane, botrk etc

lDontLiftIcarryJan 12, 20153 votes

yeah old stealth was better. Had longer cooldown but you stayed stealth until you were in E/Q range Instead of them seeing you from half a mile away. lmfao.

LushingtonJan 12, 20153 votes

All they need to do to fix eve is make her W not remove her from stealth. You then need to make the strategic decision to use it to get into combat or save it to get out. Riot is always taking about this very thing, players having to make tactical decisions,

ZeranaJan 12, 20153 votes

But she has a 1:1 ap ratio on her E how is she not viable? and why are people bitching about her lack of tank stats when Akali exists? aren't people upset about assassins having surviveability and now people are saying Eve's not surviveable enough? Just give a slow on her E and a 3 second sheild on her w when she procs it and problem fixed. it doesn't even need to be a big shield just a 0.2 ap ratio. Now she's a shield assassin with a decent team fight phase. Or we can create a ap shield version of item 3072 , with a 0.15 ap ratio.

Sira RenJan 12, 20157 votes

Because she doesn't have what you just suggested, Eve is not viable. What you suggested actually seems amazing.

People are worried about certain assassins survivability as well as some assassins who have none. Eve is one of the few. I agree with everything that you said except for viability for Eve.

Eve is only viable in the following two circumstances:

She jungles 70% of the time because all of the lanes are being pushed properly.
She faces stupid players who don't know about Eve's passive and snowballs from there.

I believe 1 is self-explanatory since Eve is a late game champion, whether it is tank or hybrid or whatever build. She didn't use to be but she is now.

For 2, it is synonymous to Eve getting fed since the dumb opponent players can be ganked through stealth passive. Higher Elo players care enough to purchase a Vision Ward instead of Stealth.

Both of these lead to one conclusion in my opinion, which is that Eve is complete shit early game. With the suggestions you have put forth, I believe the shield on W and slow on E can help her regain her stealth assassin ganking abilities that she once had.

While some may complain it may not help her jungle clear, Eve doesn't need buffs for jungle clear because skilled Eve players (I consider myself somewhat decent when playing Eve) know how to clear jungle without a leash even. It's just kiting, albeit mana heavy, but possible. If it were too easy then Eve would be considered an OP Champion and people would ask for nerfs. There has to be some level of difficulty when playing a champion, and many people overlook that. Evelynn requires a high skillcap, albeit not as much as skilled Lee Sin, LeBlanc, or Zed players.

All in all, I really like your suggestions and I hope Riot would do something similar to what you have suggested in the near future. But, I must say, she is currently not viable. (in the sense that it is immensely tough for her to win games if her team's lanes are being pushed. Compare that to Lee Sin, who has the potential to turn it around.)

BTW, I love Evelynn !

SpreekJan 12, 20151 votes

Eve isn't really a late game champion lol. Her late game is extremely medicore unless she's very fed.

Her strength comes in snowball potential and early map pressure. Pinks don't stop her from ganking (you can just go through lane or any from any number of other angles), only playing extremely passively or deep warding her jungle.

Eve is definitely not J4/Lee/Rek'sai level, but she's completely playable.

Sira RenJan 13, 20151 votes

Yes, you are right about everything you have said.

The dilemma here, however, is that she is not strong enough to clear the jungle to be able to be on par or around the level laners are to consequently gank them.

Yes, I can clear jungle, get level 3, get hunter's machete, try to clear more or choose a lane to gank, and it will go properly because usually one clear and back, the bottom and top lanes are around level 3 or 4, whereas middle lane is 4 to 5. But fast forward to a point where mid lane is level ~8 and top and bot ~7...if Eve has not ganked or ganked unsuccessfully, she will fall behind.

Eve's jungle clear is so weak, that she relies on kiting the jungle camps. Yes that improves her survivability but her clear time is significantly reduced. Not to mention that if you fail to kite properly, the camps go back and heal (mainly red and blue buff camps).

As a result, if the Eve player cannot gank properly and use her stealth passive effectively, the player must decide between attempting to gank with a high chance of failure, or simply AFK farm to at least catch up to the level, let alone the gold to buy items.

Once one of the above to decisions have been made, suppose the game is equal, intense and runs for 40+ minutes, a tank Eve with Triforce and another AD item like BORK or the like can be effective in team fights using her ultimate properly and optimizing the shield from the ult.

But, this scenario only arises in the current jungle where her jungle clears are slow.

Consequently, I agree with your argument, but I personally feel like it applies to previous jungle map, in which, her clear time was on par with other junglers. If the clear time is improved in the current jungle through some buff, I am sure that Evelynn will once again be the champion you so eloquently mentioned.

Chaotic ReksJan 12, 20151 votes

or just play her AD...

TheKingDodoJan 12, 20152 votes

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is nearby to witness/hear the fall. did the tree fall?

HolyServerJan 12, 20152 votes

Afro SkeletonJan 12, 20151 votes

hai

Flying EggplantJan 12, 20152 votes

With the new jungle and her ult nerf that happened ages ago she's really kind of lacking, but it isn't because of her passive. With the vision changes and pinks always being visible now eve ~~can~~ could put out tremendous lane pressure simply by existing. You could either pink against her and give her free gold whenever she visited your lane, or you were forced to play conservatively or risk getting caught by complete surprise when she showed up. She does shit damage now and the new jungle probably beats the hell out of her (I don't know I haven't tried it yet), but that's unrelated to her stealth mechanics.

OJ191Jan 12, 20151 votes

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With the new jungle and her ult nerf that happened ages ago she's really kind of lacking, but it isn't because of her passive. With the vision changes and pinks always being visible now eve ~~can~~ could put out tremendous lane pressure simply by existing. You could either pink against her and give her free gold whenever she visited your lane, or you were forced to play conservatively or risk getting caught by complete surprise when she showed up. She does shit damage now and the new jungle probably beats the hell out of her (I don't know I haven't tried it yet), but that's unrelated to her stealth mechanics.

it actually is because of her passive.

if she lost permastealth she could actually have a good kit and numbers without being obscenely overbearing especially in lower elo but generally everywhere.

And without it being permastealth she could even go back to her old style of stealth so it's a win-win, wards will see her coming but you won't know EXACTLY when or where she will engage from until she engages.

The WhamboozlerJan 12, 20152 votes

Eve is invisible to wards, and can't be seen by enemy minions either. It doesn't sound like much when you attach silly meme pictures to it, but it made her freakin TERRIFYING for the few months of her existence when she wasn't nerfed into the ground. The only way to be SURE you were safe from her ganks was to pink everywhere (which are 100g a pop and she or her team could destroy easily if found) or to never leave tower's true sight range.