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Perhaps I am just extremely toxic, but I'm quite tired of being chat restricted.

LittlefingerPvP··2 votes·543 views

I do my best not to lash out on others when I am having a bad game or when others are having a bad game, but I can't lie and say it hasn't happened.

I have never been rank restricted before, but I have been chat restricted in the past.

More recently, I played a ranked game with a friend. We were both having great games. We finished 22-9 and 16-9. We had a J4 top and a Blitzcrank support. We had a very strong lead 20 minutes into the game. We were trying to end at this point. Now our Blitz was being quite careless at times, but no one harassed him. We just asked him to stop running into their team without us.

By 30 minutes, we had started to throw the game quite heavily. The J4 and blitz had began to talk shit to each other. We tried to mitigate the trash talk (told them to mute each other, told them to stop talking and just play, etc), but that didn't work. At this point our J4 had said that it was his second account, so he didn't care if we lost and he just started to troll. He refused to group with his team, would split push, die, and repeat. And so blitz started to troll as well and would pull in their main engager or he would just run into their team and die.

That said, I became extremely frustrated and lost my cool with them. Proceeded to get chat banned for 30 games and rank restricted for 10...what I'd like to know is why riot puts so much emphasis on the fact that people that grief and troll get banned just as much as those that are toxic - these two can continue to play ranked games as per their recent games.

And I think the worst part about all of this is, is that in the post game chat, when you ask the enemy team to report them for you know, letting you win the fucking game, they sit there and say "but he wasn't doing that", or "nah, he just helped us win". It's like people want to condone this kind of behaviour.

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redniwediS3 votes

Griefing ruins people's games and possibly their day. Trolling ruins people's games and possibly their day. Toxicity ruins people's games and possibly their day. That said, people who are particularly susceptible to things that are often said by toxic players can ruin their mood for much longer than a day.

Riot wants to promote a nice, respectful environment where sportsmanlike conduct is adhered to. This is the internet, so it's going to be an uphill battle for Riot from now until when they stop being a company, however it is the thought that counts and they plan to act upon it.

Here's a little comic I believe is applicable.

Nucleophilic atk2 votes

I completely agree. It seems to me, however, that "toxicity" is the only aspect they are trying to fix :/

redniwediS3 votes

It's the easiest one, as it literally leaves a log of evidence behind. Smart trolls and griefers can do their thing under the guise of being unskilled.

Konidias1 votes

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It's the easiest one, as it literally leaves a log of evidence behind. Smart trolls and griefers can do their thing under the guise of being unskilled.

This. As long as they don't state they are going to feed or help the enemy team or whatever, then it's really hard to pin anything on them.

All Riot sees is that you got multiple verbal abuse reports, looks at your logs, sees you were being toxic, and throws a ban at you. They don't care about toxic BEHAVIOR, just toxic WORDS. Kind of messed up, but I really don't see how they could have the time to go through an entire match and watch a specific player to see if they were intentionally griefing via gameplay. Maybe if that person got reported often enough it would warrant it.

Honestly I wish I could just disable my chat completely because I can get quite toxic and angry toward troll teammates and all it ever does is get me in trouble. I know I can just not type, but it's really hard when I'm a fast typer and the chat window is right there, and my teammates are trolling super hard and ruining my experience. It's hard to sit there and say nothing and then report after a lost game. I need to VENT. How am I supposed to do that? The whole point of playing this game is to entertain myself and relax. Not get stressed out even more and then have to be SILENT about it. It's like icing on the crap cake.

Nucleophilic atk1 votes

Mute everyone at game start lol.

Nucleophilic atk1 votes

I understand this. I think they can do a couple simple things to help it though. Make it so you have to play a champ at least like 10-15 normals before playing ranked. This eliminates the trolls that play first time champs in ranked. If someone at 5th pick autolocks a role that is already selected, ban them. Eliminates all of those trolls. Those two simple things could go a long way in improving player experience. I honestly feel like even those two things would cut down on trolls, thus cutting down on toxic language. I would say about 90% of the "toxic" language that I see is someone bashing someone else for these types of things. Fix the problem and you fix the reaction to it.

redniwediS1 votes

They would need to implement a way to select a role that a computer can understand, and that gets around miscommunications. There's a possible ranked queue for team builder coming that would fix this.

As for playing normals with a champ a few times, why would that go any better than the current system? We already have people who buy the minimum number of champions and when they hit level 30 they play ranked with no runes. What would stop them from playing the 10-15 games and instantly playing ranked? What would stop a troll from playing a champion they often play as the troll pick?

Trolls will troll, it doesn't matter how difficult it is, they will find a way.

Nucleophilic atk1 votes

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They would need to implement a way to select a role that a computer can understand, and that gets around miscommunications. There's a possible ranked queue for team builder coming that would fix this.

I'm sure they can check the order that people were picked. If the first player picked Caitlyn, and the 5th player picked Graves, easy to see there lol. I'm also sure they have access to pregame lobby where they can easily see "I'm mid dude" "lolz dunt care". Boom, permabanned.

As for playing normals with a champ a few times, why would that go any better than the current system? What would stop them from playing the 10-15 games and instantly playing ranked?

Because they would actually understand the concept of the champion and what their buttons do. Sure, some of these players do it with the intention to troll, but others just think "Ohh Zed good at #LC$BIGPLAY$, I better pick him" without the willingness to try the champ first in normals because they don't think normals are cool, or whatever it is that goes through their heads.

We already have people who buy the minimum number of champions and when they hit level 30 they play ranked with no runes.

Well, I also think Riot should stop that from happening lol.

What would stop a troll from playing a champion they often play as the troll pick?

If you go 0/10/1 with a champ and get 6 reports for trolling, then rito could check and see you average going 1/12/2 with said champ over 20 games, ban from ranked for a certain time. At this point, it is not a "bad game". Not ban from the game permanently, but from ranked.

I don't know what the answer is, but they could try something. They are really quick to throw out ranked bans for telling people not to chase the tank (when they could give out a simple chat ban like they already do), but don't ban players for autolocking already chosen roles. It's bullshit and it is what causes toxic language. Sure, you can make the argument that "you don't have to be toxic" about it, but people do. They que up for ranked for the competitive play, and get upset when people intentionally lose the game for them.

redniwediS1 votes

I'm sure they can check the order that people were picked. If the first player picked Caitlyn, and the 5th player picked Graves, easy to see there lol. I'm also sure they have access to pregame lobby where they can easily see "I'm mid dude" "lolz dunt care". Boom, permabanned.

Where would Ez be placed then? Unless you're wanting a human to look at each of these (which would be absurd) how would an automated system tell the difference? What about Quinn? She builds relatively the same for top and bot lane. Many champions can go to more than one lane. Non-meta picks should not be punished.

Because they would actually understand the concept of the champion and what their buttons do. Sure, some of these players do it with the intention to troll, but others just think "Ohh Zed good at #LC$BIGPLAY$, I better pick him" without the willingness to try the champ first in normals because they don't think normals are cool, or whatever it is that goes through their heads.

There's understanding what a champion's skills do, and then there's knowing how to use them. If the intent is to have a player understand their champion before playing ranked it would need to be a number around 50 or higher to get anywhere near that goal.

On top of this ranked would either have to have it's owned champion limit reduced or a player wishing to play ranked would have a huge and rather arbitrary requirement to reach. This would greatly harm smurf accounts, which does not appear to be something Riot is wanting to do. I haven't seen them actively support smurfing, mind you, however they have also not moved against it as far as I am aware.

I don't know what the answer is, but they could try something.

They are trying new things, all the time. As I said above they are going to try out a ranked version of team builder. These things take time to code and implement without bugs, and unless they rush something out early (looking at you Azir) they are going to need a significant amount of time to pull this off.

Nucleophilic atk1 votes

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Where would Ez be placed then? Unless you're wanting a human to look at each of these (which would be absurd) how would an automated system tell the difference? What about Quinn? She builds relatively the same for top and bot lane. Many champions can go to more than one lane. Non-meta picks should not be punished.

Yes, Ez can be played in multiple positions. This is why I said the thing about "if people report you for it, they can simply look at pick order or the 'lolz i dunt care'" things. Expecting a person to look into a game that has every teammate reporting you for autolocking a selected role really isn't too much to ask for. Considering they say people check over toxic language reports, why should it be considered overwhelming for them to look at the toxic gameplay that causes toxic language?

There's understanding what a champion's skills do, and then there's knowing how to use them. If the intent is to have a player understand their champion before playing ranked it would need to be a number around 50 or higher to get anywhere near that goal.

Bronze, and ever silver/gold players to an extent, don't understand knowing how to use most champs. My goal was more so to make them know what the champion's skills at least do before playing them in ranked.

On top of this ranked would either have to have it's owned champion limit reduced or a player wishing to play ranked would have a huge and rather arbitrary requirement to reach. This would greatly harm smurf accounts, which does not appear to be something Riot is wanting to do. I haven't seen them actively support smurfing, mind you, however they have also not moved against it as far as I am aware.

I don't think it will. I mean, they can start the champ ticker at something like level 25. You need what, 13 champs to play ranked? Even at 15 games for the champ, that is less than 200 games. I think this would easily be reached regardless. Having players play a couple extra games to stop "lolz first time zed" is well worth it. Don't like this idea on a smurf? Don't smurf lol. Not too mention they would easily meet these requirements just from leveling up the account.

They are trying new things, all the time. As I said above they are going to try out a ranked version of team builder. These things take time to code and implement without bugs, and unless they rush something out early (looking at you Azir) they are going to need a significant amount of time to pull this off.

Just a personal note here, that has no baring on my argument, but I hate the idea of ranked teambuilder. I don't think you should be able to climb high ranks by only knowing 1 single role. I think you should be well rounded in order to be higher ranked. Again, just a personal opinion. I do hope they keep solo/duo que and teambuilder ranks completely different, though. I don't think it's fair if it were the same ranking.

ActuallyArrow1 votes

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