Solo and Duo Q in ranked

x Syotos x·Nov 19, 2013·1 votes·736 views

I will put this out there now, that what I'm suggesting is somewhat difficult to implement (I don't even have a definitive answer for it). but now to the real thing.

What I see as the main problem for Solo and Duo queue in ranked is that no matter how good of a player you are that you cannot solely carry (duo carry) 3-4 other players when many problems may occur such as players : afking for multiple minutes / multiple times (especially if something crucial happens during such time) , straight out leaving , Feeding (intentional or just having a bad game / unskilled and not in correct MMR bracket because of some odd reason) , or everybody's favorite Trolls who have it just out to ruin the game for everyone to bring joy to their miserable little lives.

Leaving you at the point where you lose LP (and mmr) because you really could not do anything to turn around the game. I know there are others out there with same though so lets pool ideas community and figure something out to toss to riot for suggestion or to be heard and get them thinking about it to!

I know this will be brought up "why not go play ranked 5's, because not every one is capable of having 5 friends or reliable players (or players they want to play with) organized and on a good schedule to setup.

Edited(added) : possible solution, if the Game KDA deficit is greater than 20 put a LP reduction in place and a penalty for any player whom did not contribute to the team, at the same time put in coding to count tower assists, dragon/baron assists , how many wards some one bought and placed and other objective counters as well instead of just KDA and Tower kills since i know sometimes when i support ill die early and fight and lose out on sum assists because of time. And have it add all Objective / team contribution and do some way of adding/dividing it to give either Bonus LP on win or Less on win ,less LP loss, or more LP loss based off of it all.

TLDR: solo/duo q LP/MMR gain/loss is unreliable because of incapability of winning a TEAM 5v5 game because of trolls/feeders/afkers/leavers. either way SOMETHING needs to be done for solo/duo q

12 Comments

SmokingPuffinNov 19, 20132 votes

Think of it like poker. In any individual hand of poker, the guy who has the best cards tends to win. In the long run, everyone gets dealt the same quality of cards, so the money flows to the most skilled poker players.

Every challenger player I've seen is really freaking good at this game. I've only met one bronze player I've ever thought played well, and he was gaming the dodge system to stay in bronze.

x Syotos xNov 19, 20131 votes

Im all for the whole poker analogy but in poker every player has the same odds, 52 cards and so on, but in league (solo/duo q) you are dealt 3-4 random players that you have no control over and cannot make up the deficit they may cause by said circumstances. where in poker you can show your the better player by being able to bluff and so on.

Solan StonewhipNov 19, 20131 votes

true. but his point is that all you have to do is play lots of hands to eliminate their overall effect from the game. if you play more then these games become an inconvenience, rather than a huge problem. it's also fair as everyone has the chance of encountering that situation.

that said i feel your pain - i suggest just focusing on your own game in those situations. i always feel better when i've played a good game in spite of my team. but even when i do, i always make mistakes. try to focus on documenting your mistakes so you don't make them again.

x Syotos xNov 19, 20131 votes

agree'd but these games are encountered constantly because of how toxic the community is in this game, and the overall from them is horrific (i only gain 5-7 lp atm in S1 and lose 6-11) especially in promote games its beyond nerve wrecking/ frustrating knowing you need to win 2/3 or 3/5 to move up and you are bound to get a circumstance of above in at least 1 or more of those games. and if i try to just "focus on my own game" it ends in "your refusing to communicate with team" or sum bs. I take blame for when i mess up and i try my damndst to not messup again, but because its the internet and majority Kids (or kid mentality adults) its "its the internetz idc trolololol"

Solan StonewhipNov 20, 20131 votes

the lp situation you're refering to is your mmr saying that you don't belong in the tier that you're in. i get what you're saying mate. but ever since i stopped requesting a lane and just doing my best with what was given to me i've run into a lot fewer trolls. but i've been where you're frustrating is. i ran into two during my qualifying series and probably would have ended up higher if i hadn't. but that's okay. 9i'm working my way up slowly .

whenever someone is being toxic to me now i mute them and concentrate on my game. i still communicate through pings and try to help the team. the best thing to do is to ignore them so you don't get frustrated or flustered.

x Syotos xNov 20, 20131 votes

my MMR is where its at, im +3 divisions from where i started in season 3 and im fine with losing games/LP where its an actual game and rather equal , but throw in those 1-4 players that break the flow of an actual game and troll or what ever and boom a loss that could have been a win turns to an auto loss. leaving the whole 50/50 chance lopsided and messing up MMRs LP gain losses and what not. My last win gave me 11 LP , and then i lost 2 in a row to trolls tolling up to 14.

Solan StonewhipNov 20, 20131 votes

right, so your mmr is telling you that you're where you ought to be skill level wise... i mean, you're going to have troll games. it just is gonna be that way. i don't see how you can possibly fix that. people have bad games. it's gonna happen.

x Syotos xNov 20, 20131 votes

yes bad games, I'm fine with that i have them everyone does, but going to the point of getting trolls , leavers , feeders , afkers, or those bad game people turning and raging like mad leave you at a major disadvantage that causes you to auto lose giving no chance to win. There needs to be some kind of solution for SOLO and DUO Que to make it less "pure luck" to get the better non troll team. like i said in beginning the solution will be difficult to come to grasp but leaving it up to 3-4 complete strangers to give u a pure boost seems a bit out of it.

possible solution, if the Game KDA deficit is greater than 20 put a LP reduction in place and a penalty for any player whom did not contribute to the team, at the same time put in coding to count tower assists, dragon/baron assists , how many wards some one bought and placed and other objective counters as well instead of just KDA and Tower kills since i know sometimes when i support ill die early and fight and lose out on sum assists because of time. either way SOMETHING needs to be done for solo/duo q.

Solan StonewhipNov 20, 20131 votes

can't reply to your post there because of the limits they've yeah, the thing that's being done is team builder. it will just take time.

but you'll just get people pressuring others to not just sit in base or DC if you take that approach of an lp reduction in that event. it all sounds really toxic to me.

x Syotos xNov 20, 20131 votes

Blunts4BrekfastNov 20, 20131 votes

god damn do posts ever look ugly in this format. jsut report afkers and do tribunals

x Syotos xNov 20, 20131 votes

reporting and tribunal does not effect the part of them ruining the entire gameflow , nor does it truly do anything since people false report all gd day.