So does LeBlanc have too much safety for an assassin?

Knalxz··3 votes·2,509 views

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Earl Eulrich3 votes

well... realtive to Zed - no relative to Talon - yupp, too save

Knalxz1 votes

Even compared to Zed she's too safe. Not even the big bad Ninjas has a 1 minute passive that gives him a free controllable clone and turning him invisible.

He also can't go back to his Living Shadow.

MrBuffington1 votes

Zed has the ability to dodge/become untargetable with his ult, which is controllable (you can use it to outplay) and with some CDR is on a similar cooldown as LB passive come late game. He also isn't as resource gated because he's an energy champion. Fizz has a double jump that makes him untargetable, not to mention he's very good late game (better than Zed/LeBlanc). I'd put LeBlanc behind those two in terms of safety, ahead of champions like Talon.

Knalxz1 votes

Zed can become untargetable but that's not what I mean in terms of safety. If a Zed got away from an opponent its most likely because they were able to think divisively and know their limits but an LB basically gets free escapes with high damage.

While they both become untargetable they bot still live under the rule of high risk high reward while LB is low risk, reward.

Even in the middle of a teamfight LB can survive because her clone could confuse everyone if used properly. Also being invisible and having a clone is just as bad as being untargetable when you're a champion like zed. If you ult an LB at 50% health her passive will trigger soon and for the next second she is invisible. So that's already one of your 3 seconds down to get your death mark off unless you're lucky. Which i'm sure you know could be the decisive action to see if you get the kill or not.

If you're really unlucky the LB will use her ult and dash to fly over 2,000 units away behind a wall or two. If you're a zed with flash you still won't catch her because she might have it as well and her CD's are lower then yours.

Its not a matter of is she OP but does she NEED the high mobility. Riot has proved that they can make assassins who can get in and out without a plethora of escapes.

Chortle1 votes

She used to with her silence, but she literally has to jump on an opponent's face to get her full power combo.

With opponents being able to fight back when she bounces in, she needs to chose her battles more carefully.

Knalxz1 votes

Removing the silence helps but from my experiences she can destroy anyone that isn't a tank and escape from them very easily.

Example: With a decent amount of CDR the your average LeBlanc has nearly a dozen ways to juke opponents that all can be used in 20 seconds, not to mention that those jukes can be used to damage players.

Chortle2 votes

Assassins in general act this way.

Champions with jukes that damage enemies: Ahri Akali Fiora Fizz Kassadin KatarinaKhazix Leblanc Zed

All of these champions are designed to take out squishies and gtfo before they get caught. Hence "assasin"

majorashash3 votes

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Assassins in general act this way.

Champions with jukes that damage enemies: Ahri Akali Fiora Fizz Kassadin KatarinaKhazix Leblanc Zed

All of these champions are designed to take out squishies and gtfo before they get caught. Hence "assasin"

This, all of these champs have a choice to go ham for the penta or gtfo after smackin that carry around. Assassins are the most funnnnnnnnn

Knalxz1 votes

Yeah but don't you see the obvious difference between them and Leblanc?

Arhi has 4 leaps if she used her ult and flash. Akali has 1 built invis and if used properly her ult can keep her alive. Fiora gets only 2 dashes 1 to get in and maybe another to get out, Fizz can only Playful/trickster away from a zone. Otherwise he needs a target to slide through, Kassidin has crazy mana costs for his escapes, Kat only has Shunpo with her resets and shares the same feature with kha'Zix.

Zed's ult can get him really far away but that's ONLY if the target ran away from the original position of his ult clone and he has a maximum of 2 two clones at a time. He probably used one of those to get in close and the other to get away.

Leblanc has invisibility, a clone, hard CC, and 2 dashes that can be used to reset her to a former position.

So with flash most assassins have less than a handful of escapes with Flash LB can juke for days.

Edit: My bad, technically LB doesn't have 2 dashes she can choose to have a second stun, extra damage or another dash.

Chortle1 votes

Her escapes aren't as useful when enemies can out-burst her, poke her out of lane, or CC and punish her.

Anyone that can

out-burst her: Katarina Zed Fizz Akali Veigar

poke her out of lane: Azir Karma Velkoz Lux

or cc her: Malzahar Lissandra Syndra Viktor

stand a pretty good chance against her

Orbv1 votes

Yeah but her hard CC has a delay, you should be spamming abilities at her at that point because she has lower base health than all but 2 popular mids. She's very feast or famine. If she had no safety in laning, she wouldn't ever thrive in a game because her late game is not amazing.

Chaotic Reks1 votes

leblanc? you mean LE'DUNK!!!

coppinslinger1 votes

Yeah, she's pretty safe in lane and is basically the definition of mid-lane dominance. She's really annoying to play against, but not hard to win against. If she doesn't go like 10/0 in the first 15 minutes and snowball both her side lanes, then she just turns into a useless champ that can maybe get off one combo in teamfights, not necessarily even on the enemy squishies. She's most useful in cheese killing the enemy in the jungle post 15-minutes. Basically a 4v5 or a 4v4 for your team.

Basically, I think her power-curve is too jacked. She needs less power early so she doesn't just auto-win lane with her burst and her ability to juke skill-shots with her W and passive. She also needs to be more useful late than just cheese-kills too. Probably needs a re-work in general.

Orbv1 votes

The purpose of assassins is to mitigate the main damage champions. She does her job just fine. She was also intended to be an early game champion. Most games are decided at champ select and the first 20 min. Assassins like Akali, Katarina and Fizz are an issue because they kill one, then another, then another, then another, then Penta. They truly need the rework.

coppinslinger1 votes

I'd argue that Akali and Katarina are problematic champs, but Fizz is more of a soloQ hero than anything and could probably be toned down with some CD and number tweaks. He doesn't have as much Teamfight Winning burst with the resets like the other two (can't kill one person then instantly kill everyone else, needs to wait on CDs. But that's another issue).

In regards to Leblanc, I'd agree that she does her job well in the right hands. As a really skilled Leblanc player, you can single-handedly win the game by yourself by dominating your lane, snowballing your side-lanes, and taking out the right targets in team-fights. I just think that it's too hard for the average player to do this (hence, she has a low win-rate in SoloQ). It's too easy for her to dominant lanes, but too difficult to have any impact in 5v5 fights after mid-game. I understand that she is supposed to be an early-game champ, but tweak her so she can't dominate lane as easily, and so that she can more easily be useful in 5v5s in the late-game. It's annoying to get face-rolled in lane because a Leblanc can press all her buttons on your champ and then port back to receive no damage. Its also annoying for leblanc players that if they don't insta-gib an enemy squishy in teamfights, they basically lost the game. Her CDs are too long, all her damage is basically single target (W does some AoE, but its negligible), and she's insanely squishy. I think her kit is generally un-fun to play against and as. Either she kills you instantly, or she doesn't (and either dies, or escapes and does basically nothing else for the next minute or so).

Knalxz1 votes

IMO I think she shouldn't be able to instantly go back to her dashes starting points and her passive having a higher cooldown along with something on her body distinguishing that its up. (same goes for Anivia and Zac too)

I.E. Lissandra's passive makes her head glow.

MyGhettoFantasy1 votes

Pick Brand and strut away as your ult punishes LeBlancs passive....over and over and over again.

SeCKS Egai1 votes

Seems like OP is hoping for people to agree - and not getting anyone to.

When LB had the silence, you weren't able to retaliate. Her one "CC" move now not only has a delay it also requires her to stay in range.

She's pretty mobile, but she's not nearly as safe as she used to be, and that was accomplished just by removing silence.

I see Zed as far more problematic these days - it's far easier to manage energy than mana, especially with the recent itemization changes.

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