how do you not die to Malzahar?

nami tf·May 5, 2016·147 votes·6,206 views

You a-void him

47 Comments

RocketRelmMay 6, 201617 votes

Morgana Gangplank Olaf

By having these on your team, and making malzahar the saddest champion ever.

GubaguyMay 6, 20167 votes

sorry what, msut not have heard you properly thoguh this CC immunity, and 90% damage reduction passive...

And the 900 damage space aids...

And the ult that creates an AOE that deals between 8-20% of your HP per second...

Sir FuzziMay 6, 20162 votes

guys

Onkel MalteMay 6, 201611 votes

To be honest the damage on 5 voidlings and the passive is toally broken. I can't argue about that.

But you gottta be quite bad positioned to receive a refresh on his Space AIDS (the inital cast barely can deal more than 400 damage in mid game.)

Also the ult zone is basically the same as his old Null Zone from last year which was 5-8% and now it's 6-10% but with a 120 second cooldown.

So please don't cry me a Riven that his ult is too strong.

GubaguyMay 6, 20163 votes

his ult does 10% + 1.5% per 100 AP, and msot games you easily pass 500 AP, meaning that mid/late game hes doing 17.5% of your HP in damage per second, on top of his space aids doing something like 550-900 damage, plus torment, and deathfire...

Keep in mind his passive lasts for around 2 seconds, jsut long enough to combo you, and dont say it doesnt becue is lasts for 1 full second AFTER damage has been done, meaning you have a second BEFORE it goes off, and a second AFTER its proc'd to combo.

Naw, malz is broken, hes likely going to get nerfed to play him whiel you can.

Onkel MalteMay 6, 20166 votes

Old damage on the zone in late game was about 8% (+1% AP) which was about 16% per second (because Void staff wasn't so mandatory because of his high ratios)

Malefic Visions deal 220(+0.7AP) damage and deathfiretouch deals 2 (+ 6.25% AP) per second. Let's say You've got about 650AP including a Voidstaff with full build. Which Makes it a total of rouhly 840 damage. Migitated by someone with base magic resist this will vary from about 605-720 damage.

Same stats on the old one would deal 970 resulting in 720-840 damage after resistances. (as this is just late game math, his early game with visions is far much weaker)

Don't battle me with math bro, I've got a calculator :D

I never said that his passive isn't OP. I agree with you on that point. :)

I don't like the new Malz in his current state. I prefer less damage on voidlings but more on his other abilities and a single target melting ultimate, and not an AoE. If that changes he would be awfully perfect.

GubaguyMay 6, 20163 votes

Heres the thigns you ARENT considering:

You arent going to be ulting anyone with a ton of MR, you will always be targeting someone liek the ADC to delete them form the fight, and you also havnt included the deathfire, or torment DOT damage, which scale out of control with his visions.
I dont actualyl kill anyone with voidlings, maybe im not good with malz in that regard, but i find that going Q+E+R jsut deletes 99% of the champions ive done it to, even when they run E lingers and keeps deathfire up, so even with heals they tend to die almost instantly.

ZyniXMay 6, 20163 votes

Your ult does LESS damage to all of your midlane matchups and anyone you wanted to assassinate (he used to be a mage assassin). Those midlaners usually have waveclear which makes it pretty easy to destroy your now weaker voidlings. To be fair his old w was also easy to avoid. If you are complaining about new malz then you REALLY should have been crying about the old one.

Onkel MalteMay 7, 20161 votes

I left out liandrys as it does current health damage and I don't know what target you're dealing with. Yet, the math actually includes deathfire touch already so DON'T CAPS L OCK ME PLS!.

Actually one of Malz' strong sides was that he also did considerable damage to tanks which made him excell in his role as a immobile backline mage. He could take out priority targets but also tanks because his Ult and Null Zone Combo was a badass meltdown to tanks. (this damage is now 900 damage lower thanks to the flat damage removed) ADCs are for sure the most efficient target option in general, but you don't wanna do that because Champs like LeBitch, Diana, Trynda, Jax or anyone that get's in your face are more dangerous to you in fights as you will disable yourself for the Ult duration.
I am probably used to another play style with Malzahar which might be the reason our opinions are so different, but as an experienced player I can't calculate now when I will kill my target. The old Comboe E-Q-W-R was hard to hit, but it had a noticable effect. Now your combo is easier to perform in general, but deals less damage.

EDIT: Deathfires bonus with the build seen above on a 4 seconds E ranges from 8 to 163 total bonus damage.

JinxGoesBoomMay 8, 20161 votes

That awkward moment when memes and games devolves into the gameplay board

SentinosMay 6, 20161 votes

The ult gets canceled, and the cc immunity and 90% dmg is only there for one second. I play ekko into malz, and all u have to do is send ur stun and as long as he steps in it his shield is gone. Then you go in for the kill. The only thing i can't argue with is the voidlings.

AsydeMay 5, 20169 votes

Actually, being 100-0'd in one stun is pretty frustrating. Taking your title seriously (i know it was a joke), i'm not sure i know how to not die to him if he lands his stun on you.

SaphixiaMay 5, 20162 votes

its pretty easy to beat malz in lane, but he does need a nerf on his w (probs the attack speed buff once you get 3) But what you can do to beat malz is keep his shield (passive) down. That way he will be afraid to dive you. Second, Pick someone ranged so you can farm safeky away from minions with his E on them. Third, In team fights, focus his minions first. The deal alot more damage than you would think.

NeomeaMay 6, 20162 votes

Honestly I don't see the complaints about them they die to a stiff breeze in lane. I could see a nerf to his passive's CD late game because it get's a bit ridiculous but other than that he seems fine, and it's easy to play around in lane.

Pika FoxMay 6, 20166 votes

From playing a couple games as jungle malz, ive found that his W has a few things that make it a little weak in PvP

They dont really build up in lane. You either need to last hit minions or sick them on the enemy champ
Kill 1 before others spawn, kill them all. Malz gets a 100% uptime on them later if you let them live, but if you kill them hes pretty powerless.
He can only send them after 1 person. If that person backs off, another can jump onto malz and malz doesnt have much he can do.
QSS should still cleanse his ult. Havnt tried it, but its still CC. His minions are pretty easy to run from without it.

TheorexMay 6, 20164 votes

As a Malzahar main, right now I am extremely pissed off. Riot gave him a shield and better control of voidlings, and made them weaker.
But now he is Perma-banned. All 185 Games of Malzahar I had this season, pointless.

You are correct that Malzahar is easily beaten by someone like Viktor, Viktor is a great pick into Malz.

His now delayed E can actually let them build up and right as that new one I about to last hit, it will clear the wave with the detonation.

Viktor has a shield to take damage from His E or and voidling that just managed to get through.

Why Build a Qss when you have two things in your kit that can disrupt him. All you have to do us just get some MR and hit him right before he decides to do his combo. Then throw down your W / ulti.

dr lichdeathMay 6, 20161 votes

yes thats why i dont like him way too much power in his voidlings then again theyre making power adjustments so im happy

and to 4 not if he has rylais u aint running then

Dr PoroMay 6, 20162 votes

item 3140

rgcdragonMay 6, 20169 votes

Karthus Karthus

All you need is Karthus for every situation.

AstôlfoMay 5, 20164 votes

By playing Draft and banning him. :D

PUSSeBOLA69CATMay 6, 20164 votes

Riven came mid and I'm sure she thought she could just be so BM. Then, I locked in Malzahar and skipped happily away from her attempts at Q'ing me

kile147May 6, 20163 votes

Oh god, I just realized how much harder he must counter her now, and he was already a good counter.

Skaarl D LizardMay 5, 20162 votes

A Malza main disagrees Malzahar

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

K54May 6, 20162 votes

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nami tfMay 6, 20165 votes

what?

mikemcpartyMay 6, 20161 votes

Some people just go onto the boards and post random champions. Obviously, if your interested in countering malzahar, you need to play udyr mid. That is a favorable match up.

I'm being sarcastic

Lord GalvatronMay 7, 20161 votes

It's so clear that you are Tinfoil 7. The OBVIOUS way to beat Malzahar is to build 6 ROA on Yorick and out sustain him.

K54May 6, 20161 votes

I posted very low mobility champions as a joke response to this joke post. Clearly, these champions are the worse possible match-ups against Malzahar.

ValeckseraiMay 6, 20162 votes

Kill the first minion he spawns asap and his damage output is destroyed. Saw my friend take smite into lane against Malzahar as Urgot he went 3/0/0 before he even hit level six because Malz has no escapes and when his voidling was smited he had no real damage.