Garen and Darius are two sides of the same coin

RaptorKarr·May 17, 2016·63 votes·3,481 views

Darius: Kills people because he's told too.

Garen: Kills people because he's told too.

The difference: Garen acts like a knight of the crusades and is no better then one, Darius does it to make Noxus stronger and also enjoys killing.

Garen: Believes that the only true Justice for criminals is death and exile.

Darius: Believes you are guilty if you die.

The Difference: One passes Judgement in the name of Noxus, the other for Demacia.

Darius: Brainwashed.

Garen: Brainwashed.

The Difference: Darius was Brainwashed by Noxus, Garen was Brainwashed by Demacia.

Garen: Lives in a city-state with a false freedom.

Darius: Lives in a city-state where freedom is earned.

The Difference: Demacia has no freedom, Noxus has freedom....kinda.

In conclusion Both Garen and Darius are the same kind of asshole, the asshole kind

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70 Comments

Chad ChadlainnMay 17, 201632 votes

I would not say either of them are brainwashed. Darius believes in strength, and just because Noxus is all about strength doesn't mean he's brainwashed. He has shown that he's a true believer of such an ideal both by killing his CO and by joining Swain, whom he believes will Make Noxus Great Again. And you say that Darius enjoys killing, which I think is wrong. I don't think he goes around murdering people because it is fun, that's Shaco. He kills when he deems it necessary. When someone is weak, or someone is in his way.

Garen could be argued to be brainwashed if you go merely by his in-game quotes. However, a big part of him is his relationship with Katarina, an assassin from Noxus and someone he should have killed by now. Yet, that is not the case. In fact, he has protected and worked with her at one point in time, at least in the old JoJ. He also believes in the cause he is fighting for, but is not completely zealous. I think his reaction to Taric proves that too, considering he allowed the man to be exiled instead of outright executed. Given his situation, this was the best possible outcome Garen could provide.

MhihnjMay 17, 201624 votes

Make Noxus Great Again

I chuckled

RendarkanMay 17, 201610 votes

inb4 Donald Trump Swain Skin

Spizzle9000May 17, 20168 votes

Problem is, there are SO MANY good champions who could have a Donald Trump skin. I mean, there's Azir, Anivia, possibly Taliyah, etc.

But if there were a Hillary Clinton skin. . . Definitely Tahm Kench.

Then Bernie Sanders. . . I'd say Lulu.

Troll for TrumpMay 18, 20162 votes

Incoming "Definitely Not Hillary Clinton" skin.

Spizzle9000May 18, 20161 votes

Please, I want this. Except all of Kench's abilities would have a 13 ~~hour~~ second cd because. . . reasons.

7 FiresMay 18, 20161 votes

Now all I can think of is that he would throw out a flying wig for his Q instead of a raven ;-;

frskydngoMay 18, 20161 votes

That awesome relationship btw Garen and Katarina, its even in the cinematic. Ya know, the part where he misses his ult.

Lord BoltrixMay 17, 201616 votes

In my personal headcanon, both are descended from Mordekaiser, and in fact Demacia and Noxus reflect the two results of Mordekaiser's empire fracturing following his fall: one side clung tightly to his ideals while another side fervently opposed them.

rtbf225618241May 17, 20163 votes

Wait, what?

LordGeovanniMay 18, 20161 votes

Except in New lore poppy founded Demacia and is some how still around meaning Yordles could be long lived.

GorgannanMay 17, 201611 votes

I wouldn't say that Darius is brainwashed. He supports Swain, who killed the last leader. If he doesn't like Swain, he'll withdraw support.

At the end of the day, I'd rather live in Demacia. Yeah, I'm free to get my blood sucked out from 30 feet away because I looked at Vlad wrong while walking down the street. I'd rather be forced to have food and a nice city that isn't riddled with those free to get ahead by murdering the guys above them.

RaptorKarrMay 17, 20165 votes

Thats because he doesn't know the back stabby nature of Swain

JVP15May 17, 20167 votes

But Darius himself cut down his own commander because he didn't like the fact that they were retreating. That maybe isn't backstabbing, but it is certainly getting your goal no matter what. I think Darius values that, and Swain can provide. Oooh boy can he provide.

Spizzle9000May 17, 20163 votes

Personally, I'd prefer Noxus because freedom. I generally loathe overbearing governments, and Demacia seems to be a prime example of one. While Noxus is a cesspool of corruption and disease, anyone can climb the ranks of Noxus if they are clever and strong enough. In Demacia, your birth has a huge impact upon your fate.

GorgannanMay 17, 20162 votes

Let me guess. America? Yeah, probably America. Overbearing government. You wanna head down to Africa where you can get ahead? Warlords do it all the time. You aren't one of the strong. You're one of the average. You wouldn't last a week in Noxus.

SexySoapTurtleMay 17, 20161 votes

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Let me guess. America? Yeah, probably America. Overbearing government. You wanna head down to Africa where you can get ahead? Warlords do it all the time. You aren't one of the strong. You're one of the average. You wouldn't last a week in Noxus.

warlords don't only exist in africa LOL

PB4UAMEMay 17, 20162 votes

He never said they do.

GorgannanMay 17, 20161 votes

I never, ever said they did. When I give examples now, do I have to list every possible one? Yeah, you wouldn't do too well in Noxus either.

SexySoapTurtleMay 17, 20162 votes

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I never, ever said they did. When I give examples now, do I have to list every possible one? Yeah, you wouldn't do too well in Noxus either.

I could care less what you think i would do in a fake fantasy place. You internet warrior betas are astounding. I would love to see how you look in real life.

Spizzle9000May 18, 20161 votes

First off, how would you fare in Noxus? I do have this feeling that no one used to the developed, modern world would last long in Noxus.

I never said I wanted to live in an anarchy. I just don't like really big governments. In Demacia, your birth has a pretty large effect on what your life will be like. I mean, so does Noxus, but anyone can rise in Noxus. At least members of their government are trying to eliminate how much power nobility has there.

Plus, can you really blame me for having a bias towards Noxus? I'm a Vladimir main.

GorgannanMay 18, 20161 votes

"At the end of the day, I'd rather live in Demacia. Yeah, I'm free to get my blood sucked out from 30 feet away because I looked at Vlad wrong while walking down the street. I'd rather be forced to have food and a nice city that isn't riddled with those free to get ahead by murdering the guys above them."

That's me higher up. I'd get fucked up. Sure, I could kill some unsuspecting dude for money and better weapons, but as soon as I'm recognized, I'd be fucked up. I'm a Darius main but I still prefer Demacia :P

Unlike Noxus, those in power in Demacia are expected to make life easier for those less fortunate. Lux was basically forced to serve Demacia because she was born into power. They expect more from those who have means, whereas Noxus, the more power you have, the more oppressive you can be.

Unrelated, how do you feel about the vlad rework? They're buffing him next patch :P

LordGeovanniMay 18, 20161 votes

Actually they dont expect more as every Citizen of Demacia has to undergo military training serve time in the Army and is a Reserve member of the Demacian army. Demacia is a developed Mt Targon tribe.

GorgannanMay 18, 20162 votes

Lots of countries have mandatory military service. Every citizen of America is a reserve member of the army. That's why you register for the draft. The higher ups have more expected of them. Lux was basically forced into a life of espionage and violence because she's from a well off house. Regular people basically learn to fight and then live their lives.

Spizzle9000May 18, 20162 votes

Yeah, very true. I can't read I guess :D

I see what you're saying. I don't necessarily think that people should be forced to help others, but it should definitely be encouraged. I suppose in the case of Lux being forced to serve Demacia, while it may seem kind of scumbag-ish, they are kinda trying to protect people from Noxus and the like who are rather dangerous. Kind of like the draft, I suppose.

I forget, is it Demacia or Noxus which requires all of its citizens to serve in their military for a period of time? I think it's Noxus, but I'm not sure. The guy below says Demacia, but I think they mentioned it for Noxus somewhere, too.

Personally, I love the Vladimir rework except for the numbers. The changes to his Q and E give him significantly more counterplay, but also make him feel better to play. The ability to charge (and actually use without leaving your pool, as of today) your E while in the pool is pretty fantastic.

My only complaints are the numbers, as stated above. Like, the actual things they did with him are great, but I find his Q when not empowered ridiculously weak and generally unhelpful, and the damage on his empowered Q seems a tad low for how easy it is for most enemies to just walk away when they see you glowing with a red resource bar.

I'd say they should either lower the cooldown for his Q, increase its damage, or increase Crimson Rush's movement speed. I know that they just buffed him, but I haven't yet gotten to play it. Overall I'd say they did a nice job, but his numbers (as of last patch, at least) where far too low for how easy it is to just walk away from him to avoid death. Ergo his winrate below 45% last patch.

MavenSongMay 17, 201611 votes

They also share similarities in kit. Spin to win (tho garen popularized it), empowered autos (Decisive Strike and Darius's w, Crippling Blow or something like that?) , STACKS! (Garen w, darius passive), and an execute ult (sayyy, why does Garen need to execute people, hmmmm??).

But If Garen and Darius are the same... what about Lux and Draven o - o

JVP15May 17, 20165 votes

Well, Lux's laugh in insufferable. Draven's ego is insufferable. Lux loves Garen (in my headcannon) and Draven loves Draven. I see parallels.

Supreme Senpai69May 17, 20167 votes

Lux is Garen's sister

ninjaIRL May 17, 20163 votes

It's okay, 'murica.

Jet SettMay 17, 20166 votes

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It's okay, 'macia.

Ftfy

JVP15May 17, 20162 votes

I know this. That is why their relationship is kept under wraps.

ShonjlMay 18, 20161 votes

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Well, Lux's laugh in insufferable. Draven's ego is insufferable. Lux loves Garen (in my headcannon) and Draven loves Draven. I see parallels.

Of course she loves him, they are brother and sister lol. Last I known, most families love each other without question.

morris1May 17, 201622 votes

Lux - Seeks magic light. Draven - Seeks spot light.

Lux - Annoying laugh. Draven - Annoying in general.

Lux - Long range ulti Draven - Long range ulti

Pars FortunaMay 17, 20163 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

IcyPepperMay 17, 201618 votes

Lux - Annoying laugh.

That awkward moment when you realize that spamming Lux laugh violates the Geneva Convention

NichtHurzMay 18, 20162 votes

Lux + Jinx laughing, hell is like a cosy and nice place compared to what you have to suffer from this combo!

Tentacle LoveMay 19, 20161 votes

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That awkward moment when you realize that spamming Lux laugh violates the Geneva Convention

Even funnier, Janna is a violation of the Geneva Convention. (making or using any kind of weather weapon is a violation)

HayRossMay 17, 20166 votes

Sounds like something a filthy accursed Noxus villain would say

Smitty ManjensenMay 17, 20164 votes

According to you every soldier is brainwashed, I don't think Garen is brainwashed, He is a soldier who protects his country while Noxus I think is even know to brainwash soldiers or create them like Sion or somewhat Urgot, with the help of Zaun but still, also personally don't know if Darius is brainwashed, maybe he does it to kill people without consequences, there are people who enjoy that thing even in real life.

LordGeovanniMay 18, 20161 votes

It is known that distinguished Generals of Noxus are to be reincarnated I highly Doubt that Urgot and Sion are the only 2 i just think that they were 2 of the most prominent to go wrong in the necromancy process.

Smitty ManjensenMay 18, 20161 votes

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It is known that distinguished Generals of Noxus are to be reincarnated I highly Doubt that Urgot and Sion are the only 2 i just think that they were 2 of the most prominent to go wrong in the necromancy process.

Well I never said they were the only ones, I just used them as an example as they are the most known from there.

LordGeovanniMay 18, 20161 votes

i wasn't trying to imply that you thought they were the only ones they are the only ones released in any lore updated or retconned to know of another you would have to be a rioter or closely associated.

Photos of GhostsMay 17, 20162 votes

To sum up: freedom isn't as good as you make it to be, Mureeca.

Spizzle9000May 17, 20162 votes

What? Do you even freedom?

EmbertineMay 17, 20163 votes

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vampirekid13May 18, 20162 votes

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What? Do you even freedom?

i kinda agree, and i lived in america for years. even been with the military in america.

ninjaIRL May 17, 20162 votes

Ultimately freedom is an illusion.

You have the "freedom" to go to your 9 to 5 corporate banking job with a tank-top and jeans on but you won't because of societal rules, expectations, and how the consequences of your actions could lead you into being favoured/not favoured by those who you interact with.

Well actually, if you really want ultimate freedom to do WHATEVER you wanted and live with other being who can do WHATEVER they wanted in the name of "freedom" then, become a wild animal. Out there no one's going to be policing your actions.

Tychusfindlay919May 18, 20163 votes

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Ultimately freedom is an illusion.

You have the "freedom" to go to your 9 to 5 corporate banking job with a tank-top and jeans on but you won't because of societal rules, expectations, and how the consequences of your actions could lead you into being favoured/not favoured by those who you interact with.

Well actually, if you really want ultimate freedom to do WHATEVER you wanted and live with other being who can do WHATEVER they wanted in the name of "freedom" then, become a wild animal. Out there no one's going to be policing your actions.

"societal rules, expectations, and how the consequences of your actions could lead you into being favoured/not favoured by those who you interact with."

That doesn't in any way stop you from wearing tank tops and jeans to work.

Just as you are free to be an idiot, so too are others free to disassociate themselves from you because you're acting like an idiot.

Freedom isn't an illusion. Besides, it's not like people are asking for zero government. And even in the fictional world of Runeterra, Noxus ultimately has a government, showing that it isn't 100% free.

LordGeovanniMay 18, 20161 votes

Except the police a govenment or doctors as if you are human other humans want to have control over what you do and make you fit in.