And when you let me have the role, https://d.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1380967387ra/3584690.gif
Yeah sometimes you just give up and are like
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I hope others would think this way too... I hate when people go wherever they want and abuse draft pick and then lose too....
Draft pick is made precisely so people can choose the champ/role they want in an orderly way. It's not 'abusing' pick order when you use the fact that you're first pick to get the role you want, that's what it's made for. If you want mid or whatever but first pick takes it, tough tough titties. That's just how it works
Draft pick has swaps for a reason, and that's strategy. You can use it to counterpick or not get couterpicked. The fact that it is used to pickwhat you want because "Pick order" is just ridiculous. But what am i saying... this is only functional for a team...
Pick order had to be put in by the players to have order within it. Otherwise you'd just get 5 mid laners going nowhere to begin with.
Ummmmm..... so you wish every game you qued as premade 5 (normals or ranked 5s, doesn't matter) so that everyone wanted a different role, or you just wish everyone would give you the role you want regardless of what role they want?
Not really. More like, i'd liketo see a bit more reasoning... Teammates that don't just spam roles and "Pick order" and stuff... But you play on NA, i play on EUNE... that's why you don't understand.... EUNE is the home of toxicity....
Ah, yeah server differences are weird sometimes, I didn't even think of that. NA is the only server I play, but on battle field and console shit I've occasionally serve red hopped and it gets soooo different. Sry eune isn't that pleasant.
People here are just childish. They lack basic common sense.... Like, i play zed and the enemy picks akali or kayle at me without even knowing the matchup... Just because Kayle is a counnter they pick her and expect to win without knowing how to play her.... We are in champ select, i am 3r pick and i ask to go mid and not to ban zed... The guys above want different lanes and the first pick bans the champion i asked him NOT to ban just because he could... Or, i am last pick, i tell them what roles i am good in anwhat are my worst roles and they send me to my worst because i am last pick and " Last picks always go support".... And when i don't perform as expected, i get flamed at and the one that got my solo lane fails to but i must say nothing or i am "Toxic".... That's EUNE... Also, when you don't get your role and the one that got your role and fails hard and even has your champion, how does that make you feel? aren't you mad? arent you dissapointed?
Eh, usually I don't mind that much if someone takes a role I want and does poorly unless they complain about the match up they picked into or something. I mean, there are games where I just want to play my main role so I'll grab it w/ an early pick, and sometimes I have a rough game so I understand that it happens sometimes. As for support I mean it depends on how bad you are. Like you don't have to be a good support in low elo, but you have to be able to not feed super hard or anything. IMO in low elo you can be way worse at pretty much any role other than support an it can be acceptable, bc you can almost always get away w/ not playing a particular "carry" role if you'll support, but low elo doesn't like to support.
Then again I also flinch any time someone locks in zed/lee/yas/any other high mechanics champ in my elo or below, and I personally think Lee is super fun to jungle w/ but won't play him bc I don't want to practice him enough to be good. I mean Lee and other high mechanics champs are basically troll picks sub low diamond elo, maybe plat, bc anyone who can't hit plat/diamond w/ high mechanics champs isn't playing the champ to their full level, so it's basically like I get a free hadicap anytime I have to play against one. Yeah I lose sometimes, but I figure if I'm losing to someone who's giving me a big advantage out the gates, I'd really hate to have had to play against them on a champ they were actually getting the full strength out of. Only down side is that in jungle (switched after getting to gold) I don't get to face them straight up. I miss playing mid/top and getting to mess w/ people on high skill cap champs. QQ
Well, you don't have to be high elo to actualy understand one champion's mechanics and play well with them. You just haveto practice and understand their mechanics and know how to abuse them. Like yasuo. He is a very mobile assassin/fighter champion and all his strength in lane comes from his E and knowing how to chain dashes and trade with your lane opponent. Zed's power lies in correct shadow placement and hitting the full combo for damage and then judging correctly if you should jump to that shadow to continue trading or not, using the shadow to jump and dodge incoming skills and then play around your opponent or a gank and after 6, utilizing your ult to chain a shadow jump to deceive your opponent. Those mechanics take dedication to master, not elo. You can practice like crazy and learn to utilize a champions mechanics. What separates a low elo player who knows a champion's mechanics very well from a high elo player is game knowledge overall... Decision making, map awarness, buildpaths, strategies, matchups, wave manipulations, cs capabilities, roams general trade potential, damage output at all stages of the game etc. That's what a high elo player does better than a low elo player apart from mechanics. 2 players might both have superior mechanics for one specific champion but the one be diamond and the other high silver-low gold. The difference between them is game knowledge in general, not just individual skill. Individual skill alone cannot carry a game when the enemy team plays as a team and they all have skill and also work together. Most low elo players don't know basic things about the game and don't care to know them. Like that Anivia that interrupted my W as master yi and got me killed. I have given many kills to my mid laner while tanking the enemy damage and focus with W and my teammate took a free kill and walked away. This player with anivia didn't do the same. He use his lack of experience with the champion as an excuse for what he did but this wasn't inexperience. this was lack of basic knowledge of the game. Every channeled ability is interrupted by stuns, suspensions, suppresions and displacement abillities. This is something basic that every player should know. These fundamental things are what many low elo players ignore and that is what keeps them there, in low elo. So, the next time you see a player play zed, yasuo, oriana or any high skill cap champion, don't underestimate them. As a jungler, watch your mid and see how he does. If you are the one against them, focus on what they do and try to predict what they might do, do not underestimate them, they might completely and utterly destoy you in lane. If they are good players in general, they might even win the game. I have lost many games that i literaly stomped my lane because my decision making is bad and i have won many games while losing in lane because i knew how to get back in the game and how to help my team win. Don't missjudge a player's skill just by his elo but by seeing ones gameplay. Elo is quite deceiving, especialy if you don't look at ones game history and stats.
I think you misunderstand what I mean if you think I would assume that I'm going to win any game I play against a high mechanics champ, and what I mean by "they aren't worth playing in lower elo" (for serious climbing that is, as a fun champ to play if you're happy at your rank they're great). When I say I'm glad to see a high mechanics champ on the enemy team, and worried about one on my team it is bc it's a coin flip. They'll either be smurfing and crush the game, completely bomb and waste a pick for out team, or do somewhere in between where they manage to succeed even though they misplay the champ a whole lot. That last piece is why I don't play Lee even though he's fun. My mechanics are shit, and even if they were okay, Lee takes way more than okay to get the full strength of his kit.
The issue isn't that you can't win w/ a high mechanics champ (and even win in a flashy way), but that if you don't have great mechanics you can't use the kit to the optimal level (which is what balance should be designed around, so unless the champ is just blatantly OP you're putting yourself at a disadvantage). The reason I mention Elo though isn't bc there's some magical pokemon badge that makes the champ listen to you when you get a certain rank, but rather that certain champs lend themselves to mechanically skilled play, and if played right WILL end up at a certain level. Game knowledge and mechanics are both important, but in general not important at the same time until plat from what I've seen. For instance, I have crap mechanics and hit gold almost solely based on game knowledge. I regularly miss skill shots, fail flashes, zhonyas/ult/whatever at completely the wrong time or when just standing around and I meant to hit enter and type. However, I gauge when to initiate vs not fight well, I make decent baron/dragon calls, and I rotate kind of okay. I climbed bronze to gold this season on this account, then did it on a second to see if I could do it w/out duo que (first time I duo'd w/ a couple people who were mechanically good and would win lane so calls were easy to follow through w/, ie we could control drag bc we had a lane winning), and when I hit around silver II mmr I started getting matched w/ people who would out play me in lane. I lose a whole lot of lanes, but usually my team ends up ahead from me taking objectives/rotating to help other lanes/etc. Oddly since hitting gold my play has become a bit worse just bc I tilt easier not worrying about missing out on season rewards if I lose a game bc I'm not paying attention well enough, so I've been doing a bunch of stuff that I'm like "wait, that was a dumb idea, I shouldn't be doing shit like that." I play w/ a lot of people who have the same experience, but in reverse; they are mechanically really good, but don't know what to do w/ the lead other than stomp their lane opponent.
The thing is that neither myself nor the people on my friends list are particularly "great" at either mechanical or knowledge based play. We're decent at it, maybe some of them are good, but none of us are exceptional at them. If you had perfect riven/zed/yas/lee mechanics you could probably play w/out a mini map and still get plat at least bc people who use their mechanics perfectly are SO dominant in lane and have SO many options in team fights that it's stupid. There are legit gold/plat/diamond players who are amazingly disproportionate in their skill between mechanics and game knowledge/strategy, and they get there based almost solely on the strength of one category. The thing is, that high mechanics champs are the epitome of this condition. Riot once said that Zed is a nightmare to balance, because if they make him good for 95% of their player base then the champ becomes a must ban champ in high elo and competitive because the players who are exceptionally above the average skill w/ that champ will have so much of an advantage. That means that if Zed isn't pick/ban in competitive he is balanced in such a way that Riot would say most people probably shouldn't try to climb w/ him and should instead play him bc he's fun. Again, it's not that he can't be good, but that it's not his full potential because of how difficult he is to play, and as a result people who are good at him would be better on a more moderately difficult mechanics champ, and people who are great w/ him (ie use the full kit instead of putting themselves at a handicap) are in high elo. Now maybe that's not true and Zed doesn't fall in that category any more. Maybe they've changed him to be less mechanically intense and a lower skill cap champ, but I can't think of any changes that would likely make that true. Personally if you have fun w/ him I think you should play him. I'm trying to get better at Nunu after switching to jungle recently, and it's entirely bc I like him and not bc he's the strongest champ I could pick. W/ current cinderhulk Nunu isn't super strong, but he's super fun. I know that though and I don't mind being at a slight handicap in order to have fun, I'd rather be a rank lower in gold than pass a set of promos and still be at gold level w/out playing something I love.
Well, that was a big one :P Look, mechanics come with a lot of practice and if you practice a lot you can get the mechanics to work. But there is one little detail... A good Zed player will do flawlessly all the already known moves, shadow jumps and things that are already "Classic", made in guides and stuff. A Great Zed player on the other hand, will be creative and make his own moves. He is a master of the classics but can also improvise and do new things and outsmart his opponents. That's what faker did to ryu, that's what being great is. Finding a way where others can't. That's what kind of players i look up to. Anyway, as i said, that comes with a lot of practice. But, in high elo, that's not enough. High elo takes knowledge as well. You can have mechanics at 1 champion and be exeptional but lack in knowledge and be bad with other champions and that is regardless of elo. But, as you said, and i agree, you can get up to plat only with simple right calls, rotations and objective control. but to do this, you need a team that thinks the same way. No matter how good a call is, if your team doesn't follow, it will fail. And here comes in the server differences. Here, people think differently. Here, we have aced them, barely, we can push up to inhib before the first of them respawns and instead, they go for baron and die in the pit one by one because we are all too low.. What do you do then? I push and take the turret and the inhib alone and the other 4 are dead... they spawn, i escape, it's easy for zed to escape sticky stiuations, and the timers are insane and i can't really def alone vs 5... who did the wrong call? What objective had higher priority? That's why i stopped playing ranked. my normal mmr is quite high and i am matched always with gold and higher. I usualy have plat players in lane and do quite well. And playing with players of higher rank than your own is a perfect time to practice, see how a higher elo player reacts, learn to predict. as i said, practice gives you the mechanical skill. Practice makes perfect. eventualy :P
Yeah, if you practice it enough you'll definitely get there. Wish I had that kind of dedication w/ Lee Sin. Ugh, just too much work. I'd rather just hope to get an ADC that isn't brain dead and play Nunu :D
Also seriously, aren't there 2 shens w/ ult up in the faker vs ryu game and neither of them uses ult? Best realization ever..... Selfish selfish top laners.
Actualy, it was a duel of 2 titans, no mere human can interfere!!! And lorewise, Shen is a mere human compared to Zed :P
Well, to actualy dedicateand practice so much with a champion you must really love playing him and enjoy his kit. Otherwise you won't try that hard. Maybe lee is not your champion.
Yeah, lee is definitely not my champion. His kit is strong and can be fun, but I don't like his model, voice over, or lore so I'm just kinda like "meh, don't really want to main him for any reason other than being a consistently strong pick." That's not enough to be good on him bc it doesn't make me want to practice. Heimer on the other hand I absolutely love (funny lines that don't annoy me, awesome waddle, fun kit that just controls an area and is super annoying) and spent a ton of time learning this season and went from bronze skill to gold skill w/ heimer.
Heimer? I hate this guy... especialy if i am playing yasuo... one windwall is never enough....
Wait are you on crack? Other than like Vlad, Yasuo is one of the hardest counters to heimer that exists. Yeah you have to be careful w/ it and you can't windwall everything heimer throws at you, but Yasuo means that heimer literally can only use one ult option if the Yasuo is good enough and cannot drop a stun to prevent being all in'd. Ugh a good Yasuo is one of the worst match ups as Heimer. He wrecks your team fighting mid game too bc even the 1 ult you do get to use can be blocked if the team fight is kept to one side of the turret.
I get what you mean. But, he is annoying. I can all in him and take away half his HP but his turrets will still hit me when i back off.... My classic hit and run style that works even on Annie doesn't work on heimer... Or maybe i am playing the matchup wrong :P
I don't generally have this issue, but that has more to do with saying "support, please" while we're picking.
I can't pick my role, so when I'm first pick I try to get everyone else to call their roles so I can fill.
Sometimes I have a role I feel like playing though, so in those cases I try to call it.
Such a nice guy
Well, sometimes you just regret allowing it xD The last time i allowed someone going the role i wanted, i thought god i regret it so much..