"Never one.... Without the other."
edit: Hey can I get a red or something to tell me if kindred as a whole was meant to be female because that tip that says "Kindred is fragile - turn the pressure up on her and she will be forced to play cautiously" Is kinda bothering me.. Was that intentional or a mistake?
Vøngola19 votesConsidering you control Lamb, referring to kindred as "she" is just convenient for a conversation.
RottedApples15 votespeople who say she/her just want to bang lamb.
thats why i say she. ( ͠° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Toa of Death4 votesFucking furries.
Stars Shaper10 votesI just realized he reminds me of:
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/959/Screenshot_116.png
A Superb Villain7 votesI've got good news and bad news: http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_medium/12/128932/2746396-insight+in+bloodborne.jpg
Stars Shaper3 votesOh.. My... Nightmares!
EmittingXs6 votesthem, they, she, him, it, why does the pronoun people use matter? yes they are two entities but you only have control over one. the other is like an accessory with a nasty bite. should i start referring to Quinn as them/they? Kalista is the embodiment of various beings. some of her lines are:
"We shall pierce their treasonous hearts." "We remain true to our purpose." "We - I - must remember." "We act as one - two - three - cease this!"
so does that mean she should instead be them/they as well? i really don't understand your purpose and that of others who make posts and comments like this one.
WyvernEgg5 votesMy thoughts are that if you say kindred you're talking about both. If you say lamb you're talking about her. The name of the champion is "kindred" not "Lamb that has a wolf helper"
Adanim7 votesthem, they, she, him, it, why does the pronoun people use matter? yes they are two entities but you only have control over one. the other is like an accessory with a nasty bite. should i start referring to Quinn as them/they? Kalista is the embodiment of various beings. some of her lines are:
"We shall pierce their treasonous hearts." "We remain true to our purpose." "We - I - must remember." "We act as one - two - three - cease this!"
so does that mean she should instead be them/they as well? i really don't understand your purpose and that of others who make posts and comments like this one.
Alright, I'm going to clear some things up for you.
Firstly, Quinn is Quinn. Valor is her companion, just like Tibbers is with Annie. But we don't call them "Quinn and Valor" or "Annie and Tibbers" because they are the companions to the actual champions. They are part of them, but they aren't actually the champions themselves.
Kalista is Kalista. She is the manifestation of vengeance. People offer their souls to her in exchange for vengeance to be served upon the guilty. Kalista says "we" in reference to the souls of those who where betrayed, because she owns them and fights for them. She says "we" because she is driven by the desire for vengeance that comes from the souls of those she has collected. However, Kalista is still Kalista. She has control over herself, but in the lore it suggests that she is slowly losing herself, but the souls become one with her. She gains power, but she isn't becoming more than one person.
Kindred is different than both examples. Kindred is Lamb and Wolf. Kindred refers to both of them as one, because they are two halves of a whole entity. Referring to Kindred as "she" is entirely incorrect because Lamb isn't Kindred. Wolf and Lamb are Kindred. Do you control Lamb in game? Partially. If you notice in game Wolf has a specific position on the model during animations, so you control both. Lamb just takes over the auto attack portion of the kit.
Referring to Kindred as "she" is wrong because Lamb isn't Kindred. She only makes up half of the whole entity. When you refer to Kindred, you refer to both of them, so they are "them".
WyvernEgg2 votesI would like to add that even wolf auto attacks
Uiraya4 votesWolf is a purse.
Bristle/Willump/Valor/etc.
WyvernEgg6 votesWhen you say "kindred" you're talking about both.
When you say Sejuani, Nunu, or Quinn. You're only talking about that one person. If you wanted to say She/Her with kindred you would have to say "Lamb"
Kindred is both of them not just Lamb.
Earl Eulrich4 voteswell, while they might be a pair - gameplay wise it´s really mostly lamb with wolf tagging somewhat along, so reffering to "them" as her should be alright.
Raoul2 votesActually, both of them have spells in the kit: Lamb: 1. Marks Champions for death, 2. Jumps and shoots with Q, 3. drains life from enemies with W passive, 4. slows enemy champions with E, 5.Blesses the ground for Ultimate Wolf: 1.Marks jungle monsters for Death, 2.fights within the W cast area, 3.dashes and attacks enemy champions on the third hit of E
Earl Eulrich2 votessure, but the feeling (at least i have when playing) is that it´s all lamb´s doing, wolf is just a sort of graphic/pet/slave. Storywise that might not be the case, but gameplaywise it certainly is.
WyvernEgg2 votesWhat you feel doesn't change the fact that kindred the champion is both of them. So saying kindred is she/her just isn't right.
RpgDusky4 votesNunu and the yeti, Lamb and wolf, quinn and valor, bristle and sejuanni. I wouldn't call them them. Easier to call them as if they are one.
SEKAI3 votesThem.
LVL 5 PORO3 votesKindred is an it. They are one entity, so calling it they or them is a bit misleading, because it isnt multiple people, just one. Also, because kindred is death incarnate it has no sex.
WyvernEgg2 votesThey can be one thing
Westonbirt2 votesTHERE CAN'T BE ONLY ONE
ViashinoWizard3 votesTHANK you.
SoMNia3 votesIf only Wolf were actually portrayed as an equal, and not a pet.
WyvernEgg1 votesI don't see him as a pet.
SoMNia2 votesNor do I. According to the lore, they are equal companions. But the game treats Lamb like a champion and Wolf like one of her tools. It's no surprise that she's the one to get the recognition and be addressed. It does get weird when people are saying "Kindred" and "she" at the same time, though. People would probably be better about it if the champion were called "The Kindred", because "Kindred" alone feels like a name, not a title, and people have trouble parsing a name as belonging to two or more entities. Whatever the case, Kindred are two, but people still say "she", and that's wrong.
WyvernEgg1 votesHonestly to me it just seems like she's the shot caller. Nothing more.
If you take wolf out lamb is just a weak vayne.
SoMNia3 votesConsidering that Lamb does about 70% of Kindred's damage herself, and her innate stacks infinitely (easily outpacing Silver Bolts at 8-12 stacks unless the target has built nothing but armor), I would disagree with that assessment. Either way, saying she's some version of Vayne still acknowledges her as a champion, while Wolf is...something else, more like Valor.
Auryiel3 votesI'm sorry but Riot failed too hard to deliver on the concept of 2 beings being equal in the kit.
I'm honestly saddened that a concept as cool as Kindred was spoiled by the awfully generic (ultimate aside) kit that's been tacked onto it.
So when talking about this champion I'll say she.
When talking about Kindred lore-wise, I'll gladly say they.
Aych Pii2 votesPersonally I say She by habit as usually when I talk about them I'm discussing the abilities, which are mostly lamb's. "Her mark can only be applied every 90 seconds, and only while not taking damage", "Her ult keeps people from dying", etc.
WyvernEgg3 votesThat's fine. But when people say "kindred" is a she they're wrong.
Flawless Fetus3 votesabilities are split. Passive is both, lamb marks champions, wolf marks monsters. Q is lamb. W is wolf. E is wolf. R is lamb. 2 "real skills" for both, and they split the passive.
Bemapon2 votesNot disagreeing with you, just pointing out, in the Tips section of Kindred's page it refers to Kindred as "she".
I try to refer to Kindred as "they".
YCitizenSnipsY2 votesI'm sorry but I can't call Kindred they, especially when gameplay wise wolf is about as important as the little bird that circles Janna. Like the Lamb just seems like the character and wolf just seems like an accessory.
SlackerboyTC2 votesI don't really see why these threads keep coming up, the people who say he/she are never going to change their ways. And the people who say them/it are never going to change/get anywhere with this discussion, so why even waste the time to post at all? He/she, it/they, it really is completely pointless for anybody to fight one another over it.
WyvernEgg2 votesIf it's so pointless you really shouldn't comment on it. Unless you support pointless things.
SlackerboyTC2 votesIf it's so pointless you really shouldn't comment on it. Unless you support pointless things.
I'm just POINTING out that its pointless to start a thread that leads to nothing being done.
WyvernEgg2 votesYou really think this thread has no point at all? and cant be helpful in anyway? That its just complete garbage?
TheSequelsRBad1 votesIt just feels really weird for me to refer to a champ as them...
WyvernEgg6 votesweird doesn't mean not right.
Olath Quortek1 votesI know... I'm sorry... I just have such a hard time not accidentally calling her she because I just don't feel they did as good a job as they could at making them THEM... :/
WyvernEgg1 votesDon't say sorry. I really don't care what you call them.
Olath Quortek1 votesShh! I was talking to Kindred... Rude... >.>
WyvernEgg2 votes
Lamb: It matters not what you call us..
Wolf: Your time will come!
