For those on the fence about whether to choose Order or Chaos

RaptorKarr·Jun 17, 2017·10 votes·1,161 views

+Under Order, progress beneath the steadfast sky. -Through Chaos, rebirth from dark destruction.

http://i.imgur.com/rWyx50z.png

Rebirth only means the same mistakes will be made. Progress means we learn from them and keep them from happening again.

Order is just the logical choice

or as Spock would say

https://gimmebar-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/5591c225b7b98.gif

Chaos is simply http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/illl.gif

plus Hextec Annie is way cooler then Soulstealer Vayne

34 Comments

Void NargacugaJun 17, 20175 votes

Chaos is more fun, I don't have to follow a strict set of rules.

And my reasoning has nothing to do with eaither Champion.

I'm just naturally Chaotic Neutral.

Tails9016Jun 17, 20173 votes

"The world is trash, rebuild it in a new way" Is how I see Chaos "Without true reform, change what exists" Is how I see Order

Chaos all the way

RaptorKarrJun 17, 20174 votes

How many times would you be willing to destroy the world in order for it to be perfect? 10? 100? 1000? Progress is made by moving forward not starting over.

Tails9016Jun 17, 20171 votes

Progress does not always mean perfection( which we all know is fake) And a totally rebuild is easier... by probably killing 98% of the population in the progress, which means 98% of all salt is removed from LoL, which wold be impossible by simple progress, as some people do not change (Salt as the example is just a joke)

Golden Tager XJun 18, 201710 votes

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FatedSaviourJun 18, 20171 votes

SPOILER ALERT isnt that the entire plot to horizon zero dawn?

Milodic MellodiJun 18, 20171 votes

Progress is everything to become stronger, but if the world is broken to an irreversible point then it's better to start over. Order seeks to bandage the cancer and heal it over time, but Chaos knows they can't salvage the wound and so seeks to amputate it and get the host used to continuing life without the limb.

RaptorKarrJun 18, 20171 votes

And you would repeat past mistakes by starting over as all knowledge would be lost with with your "Rebirth."

Milodic MellodiJun 18, 20171 votes

Past mistakes are only repeated verbatim if the timeline is the same. Variables cause a Butterfly Effect, changing events that happen.

RaptorKarrJun 18, 20171 votes

Time is set in stone you can't change it, trying to change it will only make you the reason the event you were trying to change to happen. If you push reset on the world you only force everyone to live through that same pain and suffering again.

Milodic MellodiJun 18, 20171 votes

You assume the rebirth of the universe is to turn back time. In reality, it means to end the reality currently in place so as to create a new one. When a tree is dying from a disease in its roots, you don't just cut off the branches and hope for the best.

RaptorKarrJun 18, 20171 votes

Diseases can be cured but you can't find that cure by resetting everything, the flu would still be a threat if every time someone got sick doctors would start from scratch on finding a way to fight it. Chaos is just a different form of cowardice you refuse to find another solution to a problem you see the only way to fix is to destroy. The universe started as nothing, starting over again as nothing will only create new problems if the same problems don't happen again. When the titanic sank people didn't say "Oh this iceberg sank the unsinkable I guess nothing we do will make sea travel safer." No they found solutions to the problem and they fixed them and they did that by looking back at the mistakes they made in the past and made progress to fix them, no past no progress, no progress no solutions, destruction is not a solution, it's a surrender.

Milodic MellodiJun 18, 20171 votes

While you're correct that fixing problems makes a solution, you're wrong about destruction being surrender. Progress is needed, but progress for progress' sake makes those affected by it stale. War is disastrous, but without war people will get used to peace. If people get too used to peace, they become weak and unable to deal with war as effectively as the previous generation did. In a land of nothing but order, no one is allowed to change; due to this, the ruler sinks into depravity and the masses grow weary. You can't just patch up this land of order with simple progress, it wouldn't fix anything. Remove the ruler for a new one, and the people will have gotten so used to the last one that they wouldn't listen to the new ruler. Give the people some freedom, and they claw at it and take it for granted. The only way to truly fix that kingdom is to remove both the source of hardship -- the ruler -- and remove those who continue to carry the hardship, or at least remove the hardship from those people. Therefore the only way to fix this problem is by destroying what is holding them back from progress, and the only way to do this is by causing chaos. EDIT: Wow...I just realized I went full BLM here. I mean yeah I'm speaking from logic and I know my points hold as much ground as yours but...damn, it doesn't make it easier.

RaptorKarrJun 18, 20171 votes

And then a new ruler takes his place and even more Chaos happens because you forced change on people, you can't force and chaos only knows how to use force. Order listens it understands, order adapts it changes in order to keep peace, chaos only knows how to destroy, to chaos there is only one solution destroy and destruction is not a solution a society does not survive on chaos it survives on order.

Milodic MellodiJun 19, 20171 votes

Order adapts to chaos either by taking it over and changing it to make order from the chaos, or it savagely seeks to destroy chaos in such a way as to remove it before it "becomes a problem". Either way, order seeks only to quash chaos and remove any variable that makes order uncomfortable. Order seeks to understand chaos only to remove it, whether the parties involved want it or not. Order itself forces its ideals on people, especially more so because the chaotic variables of free will are what order hates. Higher society thrives on order because of habit and compliance, but once order's system faces even the smallest problem it becomes desperate to restore itself. While I won't pretend a truly chaotic society can thrive as well as an orderly society, it at least has the ability to adapt. Chaos knows destruction because order always seeks to destroy it. Chaos knows destruction because it refuses to comply with the harsh laws of order, and seeks to instead live.

RaptorKarrJun 19, 20171 votes

When a revolution happens they do not fight because they want Chaos they fight for a new Order sometimes that Order may not not be morally correct but it's what those people believe in, Chaos is merely a side effect a cancer that happens when war breaks out and people can't find another way to solve their problems. Order fights for a reason, not always a good reason but every reason is better then straight destruction.

Milodic MellodiJun 19, 20171 votes

[Holy shit this thread is long lol]

To be honest I can't think of anything else at the moment to continue XD I was going to go into a huge thing about religion, but I think it's escalated far enough. I concede :) This was fun, I can't wait to do another debate sometime

RaptorKarrJun 19, 20172 votes

Going into Religion might have brought in the undesirables.

But GG!

XenociderOmegaJun 17, 20172 votes

I like chaos but fk Yasuo so went Order

SithesisLordJun 18, 20172 votes

I chose Order because well....despite hating both Yasuo and Riven, i can respect a good Riven player. I can´t respect any kind of Yasuo player.

Plus, Dawnbringer Riven is

T H I C C

Pretty much sold it for me.

EvilUnicornLordJun 18, 20172 votes

Why do you think they both exist and not one or the other?

Because they're both part of a balanced breakfast. Can't have one without the other. Have equal doses of both.

SloaneWolfJun 17, 20171 votes

{quoted}

plus Hextec Annie is way cooler then Soulstealer Vayne

http://imgur.com/8ty1KOe You got me.

Gif not worknig ;(

DokkaebiJun 18, 20171 votes

I chose order because it's not as edgy as chaos. Still super edgy tho'.

DolynaJun 18, 20171 votes

Two choices. Two sides. One future. X.

I choose to side with the Dragons of Heaven! Um... I mean Order. That's the side Kamui would pick.

Milodic MellodiJun 18, 20171 votes

I chose Chaos because Riven's new skin's personality rubs me the wrong way. She's really naive, but at least Yasuo knows what he's fighting for. Also, Order is overrated ;)

Arcus DiabolusJun 18, 20171 votes

I hereby claim Pentakill's Lightbringer as the official theme song of Order

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUiOylPbfV0

"Call down the reckoning, To bring back hope and peace, Restore our gloria, To live forever.

Bring down the dark regime, I know how to unleash eternal power, Lead us to order, I am the Lightbringer!"

Chembaron YamadaJun 18, 20171 votes

http://economydecoded.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/agent_of_chaos_by_ladyvandalegribble-d676x3q3.png

MhihnjJun 18, 20171 votes

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-532ae510ff9542cd5b21e8704d668c00-c

Stars ShaperJun 19, 20171 votes

Wonders what would have happened if Chaos was to be represented by Shyvanah

RaptorKarrJun 19, 20171 votes

I would have sided with Riven ether way, it's just a lucky bonus for me that she's the good guy.

ShahamutJun 19, 20171 votes

Order isn't progress, order is keeping the status quo. Chaos is against keeping things the same for long periods of time. Progress is change, change is scary. You could say its... chaotic... :-)