Top Lane buffs?

OCG Boogie·Apr 23, 2014·4 votes·1,488 views

So there was some discussions about buffing up some of the lesser played top laners such as Rumble, Malphite and J4, and I was wondering if there was the potential for Zac to receive some kind of buff in this too?

I mean if you look right at it, right now everything Zac does, there is someone who can do it better, he doesn't really exceed in any specific area.

NOTE: While if you check my account I am level 6, this is not my main account. I live over on the OCE server, but there's no way to get any attention from Riot about anything that isn't on reddit or NA (Which kinda sucks but that's for a different thread.)

14 Comments

AbiwonKenabiApr 23, 20144 votes

The last nerfs to him a while back really hurt him. He's fun because you can do creative ganks and engages with his slingshot along with a cool ult, but honestly after the nerfs to his blobs and him not getting anything in return (like damage for instance) made it so other junglers (and top laners for that matter) were just better than him. This whole meta shift towards a super aggressive early game along with his nerfs hurt him bad.

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OCG BoogieApr 24, 20142 votes

The last nerfs to him a while back really hurt him. He's fun because you can do creative ganks and engages with his slingshot along with a cool ult, but honestly after the nerfs to his blobs and him not getting anything in return (like damage for instance) made it so other junglers (and top laners for that matter) were just better than him. This whole meta shift towards a super aggressive early game along with his nerfs hurt him bad.

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I totally agree, when they nerfed his blobs they slowed his already slow jungle clear times it made him no longer viable there. Meanwhile top lane is out of the question because of all these hyper tanks like mundo, trundle, renekton, shyvana. Who are all capable of dealing huge damage while still being tanky forces to be reckoned with.

RiotMorelloApr 24, 20144 votes

Will ask - my understanding is that Zac is a problem because of kit overload :(

OCG BoogieApr 24, 20141 votes

Will ask - my understanding is that Zac is a problem because of kit overload :(

That would suck :/ Thank you anyway for the update Morello! Zac is by far one of my favourite designed champs, its just disappointing that he is borderline useless in terms of a meta and output right now.

EDIT: I am curious though, where do you think Zac is overloaded in terms of kit?

hashinshinApr 24, 20146 votes

Booooooooooo Boooo Morello boooooo

Lucian isn't kit overload? Jinx isn't kit over? The poke kite burst sustained damage escaping CC chasing kits aren't overloaded? Why is it only top laners can be overloaded? Leblanc with her entire everything she does isn't overloaded?

ThaddeusMikeApr 24, 20142 votes

My guess is that Riot places a much higher value on the ability to take a hit and not die then you do. Now, I think they may be undervaluing the power of being able to never get hit in the first place. Also there seems to be a trend against big cc, and zac is definitely big cc. Again, I'm not sure I agree with their assessment, but I think those may be where Riot's evaluation and yours differ.

SinspunchApr 24, 20142 votes

could you elaborate on "kit overload"?

exec3Apr 24, 20143 votes

I hope you guys figure out something for him. I tried him in jungle recently, absolutely painful. I was only barely managing to clear it.

ProfDrDeathApr 24, 20141 votes

Well, you did a good job of reducing his kit overload with the nerfs during the last year (removal of tenacity from ult), as well as making his actual lane gameplay weaker (chunks are more contestable for both sides). Also, item 3153 was introduced as a counter to HP stacking (and will possibly be made even better at that role?).

However, with how contestable his blobs are right now, they don't offer enough reward for it. On the other hand, you can't just increase their health sustain, as that would make him able to heal over the top.
Maybe have his blobs heal more if he picks them up while close to an enemy champion? Like, 25-50%?

Ironscale DracoApr 24, 20142 votes

Zac should receive some buffs, he's too weak at the moment also that ''desert'' [top lane] needs some more diversity. Watching Renekton, shyvana and trundle/jax/ryze bashing their heads and farming the whole game isn't really fun at all.

Still waiting on that darius rework.

Noam BraumskyApr 23, 20142 votes

This is a good idea, but I think Zac should get reworked. He doesn't feel like what he's supposed to be designed for, a giant unstoppable mass heading straight for your team. He gets an odd sustain for when he's jungling, which is actually pretty bad. Look at every other champion who uses health to cast spells. They all get a very good heal, but when you fight with Zac I find myself running frantically around the battlefield every time I cast a spell to pick up the health I lost.

Make it happen Riot!

AbiwonKenabiApr 23, 20142 votes

He was strong before they nerfed him, and his main nerf was to his sustain (blobs are a pain to pick up now). Honestly, this whole "rework" thing is getting out of hand. I get it for some of the out-dated champions, but why does Zac, who is only about a year old, need a rework?

SpartariorApr 23, 20141 votes

Yes please.

Remlap1223Apr 24, 20141 votes

I know I'm kinda beating a dead horse for taste at this point Morello, but any news on Gangplank's rework? The playerbase is kinda rabidly frothing at the mouth about this at this point, alongside with the Nidalee nerfs.