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Irelias nerfs are too much

Dainaceture··8 votes·1,318 views

Hi I'm a plat Irelia main, and have around 400 games on Irelia on all my accounts. I understand why the Irelia nerfs are needed, but I think they went quite overboard with these changes. For Instance the q nerf makes it so I can't 1-hit casters with 4 stacks and a phage(a really important part of her laning) Her W feels completely useless after the nerfs a few patches ago. Just rework the ability as a whole. Its the only defence ability, when you dive in a 5 man team. Im starting to build hourglass so I can survive longer.

Now lets talk about Irelias place in the current meta. A new surge of bruicers can abuse an item that benefits only a few champs. We are talking about the essence reaver. If you play vs a riven for instance, and kill her 5 times before her essence reaver, you still will lose as soon as you see the essence reaver in her inventory, the same goes for fiora. The item does not reward from skill. Lets not talk about jax, he is so stupid this patch and the patches before. So Irelia cant beat bruisers, she also struggles against tanks. But thats a bruicer porblem as a whole, why can tanks do more dmg to you even though you hit everything, and basic attack with 4-stack passive, it makes no sence. I played against a nasus pre 6, with 2 cloth armours, I had a tiamat. He straight up beat me in the fight, even though I landed everything on him, I could not do damage to him, as he healed it up. I dont think you should struggle as a bruiser vs a tank.

I understand that plat elo is only top 10%, but when you only look at proplay, champions like irelia will fall in the dust at lower elo, as she requires many hours a day to get good at. Looking at her winrate now below plat the nerfs ruin the high skill high reward across all elos.

That being said, Irelias ban rate is freefalling :) So I can now play her every game :)

Maybe just revert her to the old Irelia.

-A frusterated 5 yr old

EDIT: In 9.3 they are fixing her w issues by giving 10% more reduction(so its 40%), aswell as giving her more hp per lvl.

10 Comments

CHEWYARMS3 votes

You shouldn't be one shotting casters with just phage anyways.

That's half the reason she's insanely strong. Unless your playing a champion with some period of invulnerability like Vlad you can't at any point walk up to the minion wave with out being deleted with ignite if she stacks her passive. Which isn't that hard when you start one shotting minions so early in the laning phase.

Makes her trading pattern more telegraphed allowing for some counter play. And nerfs her early game, which seriously this champion should have next to no base stats and be treated like the hyper carry she is if riot ever wants her to be truly balanced.

Dainaceture1 votes

Well its pretty clear how to outplay an Irelia, specially after they removed the one extra passive stack you got from using w. To all who read this, here is guide to crush Irelia 1v1:

-Irelia is a bruicer, that means playing squishy low-mobile characters is going to get you punished by bruicers like her. -When Irelia comes to lane she usually starts q to last hit the 3 meele minions in lane, that means she can either jump on you with her q to get the 4 stacks and get it on cool down, or keep lasthitting minions with q to lvl 2. At lvl 2 she will be looking to cast her e, she usually cast it behind you, and force you to walk into it. Dont do that, thats almost a guaranteed kill. -After this, avoid fighting her when YOU KNOW SHE HAS 4 STACKS, you are going to lose the fight as she does more dmg to you. Instead look to all in her when she fails to q a minion, or have just returned to lane and have no stacks. -Play mindgames on her, if you see your minon getting low, she most likely will greed for it. Punish her by casting a vital spell at the minion, that way you get your dmg off before she can trade. -If your not confident, pick a tank and rush bramble vest. Sunfire-cape's gold was reduced, so just go for that next.

If any problems with this step by step, just ask me.

omegaheals2 votes

The nerfs are too much, but don't forget they're buffing her again in 9.3. I'd wait and see how those changes make her better.

Irelia Bot3 votes

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The nerfs are too much, but don't forget they're buffing her again in 9.3. I'd wait and see how those changes make her better.

The buffs are 10 more health per level and 10% more reduced physical damage on W and nothing else.

Well... if you really stretch it now her passive without full stacks allows for more damage to turrets since her passive's magic damage does not hurt turrets but that is a stretch.

I half expect the marks to be deleted at this rate followed by 8+ months of being left in the gutter.

Meredith Stout2 votes

She was hard meta since her rework. Now when she actually can't outplay anyone u gonna cry?

KatarinaScripts1 votes

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She was hard meta since her rework. Now when she actually can't outplay anyone u gonna cry?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3SP3RqQp1c

Dainaceture1 votes

Listen to yourself, "can't outplay anyone". A champion thats meant for outplaying, can't do it. Something is wrong

Meredith Stout1 votes

Maybe badly put by me, what i meant is: She can't outplay the way she used to. You actually need to have some skill now.

GODNY PRZECIWNIK2 votes

Tbh I would like to see the revert of Irelia. She was in really good spot with Conq for that 1 patch. Now, she is even harder to balance than she was before (Her Rework was mostly bcs of fact she was too hard to balance, so yeah... ironic). History just repeated itself, but now Irelia is in even worse state, than the old one ever was.

Dainaceture1 votes

I totally agree with you, I loved the old Irelias state before the rework, she was completely under the radar and had good banrates. After the rework it took some time to get used to her new kit, and finally when we crack the code on how to win with her, she gets permabanned. I've had my fun with her, but its time to move on. You are just punishing yourself for picking her solo queue.

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