When I first started playing League, Graves was one of the original ADC's that I chose to play, as I liked his almost bruiser type of play that he had. After the marksman update and when Graves was pretty much changed into a jungler, bot lane lost a character that was fun and interesting to play. Old graves fun one shot potential and kiting ability is something that I wish we could go back to and play multiple more times
I know this has been suggested many times since he was ruined reworked, but let him choose between the two kits. The mechanic is proven possible with Kayn, so let Graves decide at level 1 if he wants slugs (playing like pre-rework ADC Graves) or buckshot (current pseudo-melee Graves.) There, now everybody is happy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOhoeIwLrMI I feel your pain
I like the new graves personally. Old graves was just a Lucian Clone.
Same for me with Taric... and Veigar... and Xerath... and Skarner... [sg-soraka]
You could still do it. Definitely harder now, but some people have tried it.
graves bot works for sure, the problem is people dont understand that he cant be supported by just anyone. graves bot is a kill lane, you need to pair him with "catch" champions such as leona/thresh/blitz/braum/naut. champions that catch a target and holds them in one spot long enough for graves to unload on them despite the range difference. graves being paired with janna or soraka just wont work.
Shooting peas with your double-barrelled shotgun (that's so big it's more like a cannon than a gun) was underwhelming tho.
Same here, i've never wanted a champion reverted more than Graves. He was always my go to adc and I haven't touched him since his rework.
carried myself season 5 from b5 to silver 3 good times
I really like what they did with graves despite not playing him. The new passive really makes him feel like he’s using a double barreled shotgun. However I did figure a lot of graves adc players weren’t going to be happy. I personally like what he is, but I’m sorry that happened to you guys.
This is like the 5th post of this kind in the last month,mine included. Can riot do us all a favor and revert him,i mean its obviously been a huge flop,just like LB rework,no one is playing Graves,like 1 in 30 games i see Graves. Also i made a post about him,here it is https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/AAhQTGrf-can-graves-get-an-option-to-switch-to-slugs
Same for me but with Old Yorick.
Heck, i loved that Guy so much. RIP indeed Graves and Yorick
I would love to play the old Karma and Fiora, it would be awesome if they make a mode which contains all champs in their original form :D
Bring back Old Sion too!
Old 
I remember when I invested in a good PC, i think graves was the first champ i tested on it.
For people saying he's a Lucian clone,i wont even bother with saying he came out first,but the things that i love about Graves that Lucian doesn't have,and also makes him unique
First off,his story and aesthetic,he's an Outlaw,a wild west type of character with amazing voice acting and a very good look,you're playing basically one of the most wanted criminals on runeterra.
-His gameplay style was actually better suited for close range combat than Lucian,i really liked his passive more back in the day,it gave him MR and Armor the longer he was in combat,this was reworked into his E,and then they gutted the spell,removed MR and increased the number of stacks it takes to get to max armor bonuses.
His Q is way more fun to use,its literally get in your face and explode it type of spell,that could be used more easily as a wave clear ability than Luc Q
His W is 20x more usefull than Lucian W that do the same damage,except this slows and can confuse the crap out of the enemy when they get blinded,visually its much more creative how it confines your visible area on your screen,compared to Luc W which is just a bit damage and a mark that gives him some MS
His E,the ability that made him very similar to Lucian,again feels better to use cause it also gave an AS buff,i feel like its a much more useful spell for team fighting and tank busting than Luc passive
and finally his R,one of mine most favorite abilities in the game,it just felt so awesome to blow someone up,you could feel the force behind that giant round,someone got in your face Q auto auto and blow them the fk away Not to mention the thing i dislike the most about Lucian R is that late game you actually lose out on the DPS if you use it,its completely useless after you get 3 items,in a team fight a tank will block it or people will just scatter around and even if they don't you still do more damage with your Autos and passive. While Graves ult looked better it was also instant,so even in a late game team fight you could use it as a panic boost to your DPS,or if you find an opening you can use it to hit and even take out someone low in the back line
his new aa made him good in jg then they inadvertently gutted him by making the jg only accessible to a small pool of champs for competitive play
Riot sees title unzip sound in the distance
I didn't really see anything in old Graves any different from any other ADCs honestly, outside of being short ranged and slightly more tanky. He didn't feel very awesome to play when I played him, although I didn't really care to play him much.
I would do anything to play the Old Soraka and Old Shen. Not happenin
Shouldnt say "anything." There are some weird people out there, you'll be surprised what they can come up with , youll have images in your head the rest of your life.
