NERF LEONA

Pure10OP·Jul 4, 2017·7 votes·2,146 views

Title says it all. Nerf this annoying champ.

24 Comments

koshkyraJul 4, 20177 votes

I agree that Leo needs nerfs but i believe it should be explained in the post instead of just "OMG NERF".

GeauxxJul 4, 20172 votes

They cant explain, because if they did, it would show how it's their fault instead of the champ being broken.

like "idk how to side step so leona E is broken!"

koshkyraJul 4, 20174 votes

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They cant explain, because if they did, it would show how it's their fault instead of the champ being broken.

like "idk how to side step so leona E is broken!"

For me, i think the problem is her early-game burst damage with thunderlords+ignite. This obviously falls off for her lategame, but it gets her adc fed early so they can end before it becomes a problem. Of course, its just an opinion.

What really annoys me is these posts where the title will be "Nerf X" and then all the post says is "Title". Those threads deserve deletion.

Athenes LuluJul 4, 20174 votes

i hate leona as much as you do too but come on at least give a reason for it

AgeOfTheMageJul 4, 20172 votes

If you are going to make a post, try to be constructive in why you want x champ to be nerfed, personally I find leona to be balanced and rather fun to play(she's like the aggressive version of braum<3) She has a lot of hard cc, in a sense can make her broken, but otherwise, if she gets caught out, though hard to do so due to her being a tank, you can kill her.

TimX24968BJul 4, 20172 votes

how bout we nerf ap supports instead...

Umbral RegentJul 4, 20171 votes

Like JamesTheMage15 said, the title doesn't say it all. What needs to be nerfed on Leona? Bonus damage from Sunlight? Defence boost from Eclipse? Slow/Stun Duration from Solar Flare?

A Champion won't get nerfed just by being said that they need nerfs.

As an aside - I'm a Leona main, so objectively, I can't agree that she needs nerfs without further information, but that's because of a bias I have for her. She may well need nerfs, but that's up to what parts of her kit are revealed to be overtuned.

AgeOfTheMageJul 4, 20171 votes

ooh, a leona main, tell me, have you played braum? if so i'd love to hear what you have to say about him~

Umbral RegentJul 4, 20172 votes

While I haven't played him much, I have played him enough to say that he's a reliably strong peel Support. (in fact, that's kinda the reason I haven't played him much, since he's pretty much the other side of the tank coin from Leona)

Braum is good for two-to-three situations: Dealing with Engage, dealing with Poke, and dealing with both simultaneously. If the enemy team has something like Xayah, Caitlyn, Bard, Leona, etc. - Braum can be a good Support to supplement a late-game ADC or a fragile mid-game one.

But, lo and behold, if you're like me where your niche is "go HAM 24/7" - Braum will be uncomfortable to say the least.

AgeOfTheMageJul 4, 20172 votes

mmh, with braum you need a smart adc who know what your shield and passive do, I remember 2v3ing as braum with a vayne, best fight ever, we werent even fed( when i think about it i think we were behind) but with leona... bad adc? doesn't matter, if you're fed as leona you become a one man army!(so much fun) once had a game where we had no jg, So I just roamed everywhere and got fed af as leona, best game ever

Umbral RegentJul 4, 20171 votes

Leona to me is especially fun because you really only need one item to start terrorizing the Rift - Righteous Glory. Armor, mana, health and health regen - not to mention a big movespeed boost and an AoE slow that basically says "I can't hit E worth a damn but that's not gonna stop me from shutting you down"

IMO, whenever someone says "you can't carry as Support", I always want to suggest they try playing Leona and say that again.

AgeOfTheMageJul 4, 20172 votes

it's been awhile since I've played leona, but I remember building iceborn all the time, also, it is SO annoying to have an adc that doesn't like going in.

The Leo CatJul 4, 20173 votes

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mmh, with braum you need a smart adc who know what your shield and passive do, I remember 2v3ing as braum with a vayne, best fight ever, we werent even fed( when i think about it i think we were behind) but with leona... bad adc? doesn't matter, if you're fed as leona you become a one man army!(so much fun) once had a game where we had no jg, So I just roamed everywhere and got fed af as leona, best game ever

I love Leona. Though at some point I stopped building her as support when I do play her support. Mostly because that style of play is boring with her. Leona is ALL about going in, and pushing poor positioning with THE EXTREMIST OF PREJUDICE.

I build her as AP bruiser and adopted the motto "ALL IN OR ALL DEAD!". If your team is nearby, there is NEVER a bad time to 'JUST GO IN' in with Leona. It's the same as Poppy. They are both tanks who just take forever to die when they are being pounded on by the entire enemy team.

"Leona! You are supposed to feed the ADC! Not yourself!" "The Lioness eats first so she can continue to feed her cubs!" blows up Sjin

koshkyraJul 4, 20175 votes

My issue with her is her early game burst damage when she takes TLD and ignite. It will clearly fall off lategame but usually you wont reach lategame since her ADC will get heavily fed and end quickly.

Then again, this is just my opinion from someone who has only played her once or twice.

Umbral RegentJul 4, 20171 votes

I've never really taken that combo - I opt for the usual Supporty stuff of Stoneborn Pact and Exhaust (though the former usually kinda sucks to have if you don't have an AA-focused ADC like Ezreal or Varus who won't benefit as much)

While I can't say anything regarding that combo in specific, I think something that might ease up on (if only just a little) would be reducing the base damage of Eclipse and redirecting it into the AP Ratio, especially since Eclipse is (at least in my mind) the best first-max ability for her.

koshkyraJul 4, 20172 votes

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I've never really taken that combo - I opt for the usual Supporty stuff of Stoneborn Pact and Exhaust (though the former usually kinda sucks to have if you don't have an AA-focused ADC like Ezreal or Varus who won't benefit as much)

While I can't say anything regarding that combo in specific, I think something that might ease up on (if only just a little) would be reducing the base damage of Eclipse and redirecting it into the AP Ratio, especially since Eclipse is (at least in my mind) the best first-max ability for her.

The only thing i think Leo needs to see is her AA-reset removed from her Q so she cant get such an easy TLD proc from E-AA-Immediate Q. This way she would need to use the full W-E-Q combo and wouldnt have such stupid early-game damage.

AgeOfTheMageJul 4, 20171 votes

Sadly ignite is too strong, I don't use it though, I stick to exhaust.

CraigJul 4, 20171 votes

Nerf a 4% play rate, 50% win rate champion?

chipndip1Jul 4, 20171 votes

These boards make me think of bleach cocktail chugging contests with posts like these...

Luna Ather SolisJul 4, 20171 votes

leona already got nerf numerous times you ignorant shit, SO DONT TALK ABOUT A CHAMPION YOU NOW NOTHING ABOUT

NERFS BASE HEALTH REGEN/5 SEC: 9 reduce to 7

Sunlight. Passive - Sunlight DAMAGE: 20-140 (at levels 1-18) ? 20-105 (at levels 1-18)

Shield of Daybreak. Q - Shield of Daybreak DAMAGE: 40/70/100/130/160 ? 30/55/80/105/130

Eclipse. W - Eclipse DAMAGE: 60/110/160/210/260 reduce to 60/100/140/180/220 BONUS ARMOR & MAGIC RESISTANCE: 25/35/45/55/65 reduce to 20/30/40/50/60

Zenith Blade. E - Zenith Blade ROOT DURATION: 0.25 ? 0.5 seconds

Solar Flare. R - Solar Flare DAMAGE: 150/250/350 ? 100/175/250

CHANGES/ BUFF

Q. Shield of day break COOLDOWN: 11/10/9/8/7 seconds reduce 9/8/7/6/5 seconds BONUS RANGE: 30 increase to 50

W - Eclipse Changed base bonus Armor / Magic Resistance to 25 / 35 / 45 / 55 / 65 (from 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 / 70) Eclipse gains Armor equal to 20% of Leona's bonus armor Eclipse gains Magic Resistance equal to 20% of Leona's bonus magic resistance

After using Solar Flare, Leona gains Incandescence for 5 seconds. During that time, Leona’s next 3/4/5 basic attacks gain +100 range, deal 30/40/50 (+0.15 ability power) bonus magic damage, and apply Sunlight. ARMOR GROWTH: 3.1 increase to 3.6

okamiyasha95Jan 29, 20181 votes

I've played many games against Leona and with her. I've won some, lost some, couldn't even farm, and farm great. The problem isn't her crazy damage. If we're gonna discuss damage on supports, then zyra needs to be gutted in that department like everybody else who does crazy damage. It never has been Leona's damage. She's an all in who if she fails to miss all her combos, then she has to wait to all in again. The problem is the cd on her cc abilities. They are extremely low making her a miniature sejuani with half the item build as sejuani. Not only does most her kit lock you down for eternity, she also has the tankiness to survive a nuclear bomb. Since she is an all in, perma cc support support who engages, it is reasonable to do the amount of damage she does, but there is no counterplay when she misses all her combos. She can q stun every other second, she can dash in with e every other 2 seconds. Her ult cd is nonexistent. By the time you back get an item and go back to lane, you have your ult again and this is at level 1. At level two you don't even need to back she'll have by the time the team is ready to go in again. Laning against her is as oppressive as laning against zyra and that is another problem. She's SUPPOSED to be an engager, not an oppressor. By the time her cc combo is finished, you're already dead and even if you manage to kill her adc, she can still 1 v 1 you. Don't even waste your abilities on leona, as she will survive long enough for her team to come to her rescue. It's moreso about the overall gameplay experience from multiple persons over time rather than her stats. Yeah, nerf her base damage and w passive. Hell, nerf all her stats for all I care, but that would not change the outcome of her fights or gaming experience because her kit is what is making her detestable. No one needs to do damage if you can keep the enemy in one place for eternity not being able to do anything. She is a support who can make any friendly adc experience blissful and effortless and that is not healthy for the bot lane let alone competitive play.

Mig89Jan 29, 20181 votes

Breathe man, breathe. Leona's Q cd is what you describe but not her other spells. If she lands multiple rotations of everything in a fight youre just getting outplayed by a better player. I might be biased though and reading your comment made me respond just because Leona and Zyra are my two mains.

okamiyasha95Jan 29, 20181 votes

Lol. I wouldn't call it an outplay. I can respect a good leona player though. Her only two skill shots are her e and ult. Her ult is super duper easy to land and her e is almost difficult to land and without it half her cc power is down. Other than that she's a point and click cc monster. Respect to the players period who know how to play in teamfights, but Leona is extremely oppressive in the laning phase and almost as oppressive in the mid and late game is allI'm getting at.