They both, especially Pantheon, have a really unique style and character, but their kits are exactly the opposite. They have been boring and extremly annoying to play against for ages. Will they soon/ever get some love?
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Hyperiön4 votesI don't know what you are talking about, I love playing both of them. Even though I suck with Irelia, she is super fun to play.
SirSurprisesAlot7 votesWhat is great about Pantheon is his ult, i feel like the rest of his kit is pretty boring, you just spam your q and win your lane, really insanely funny.
And irelia, idk, i can't see anything fun about her kit. It is mostly as straight forward as Pantheons, you smash your head on your keyboard post 6 and you will win easily against pretty much any other top laner.
To give some examples for really fun characters: Gangplank and Fiora. They both have really unique mechanics (Fioras passive and Gangplanks barrels), which seem also fair to play against.
Hyperiön1 votesWell Fiora can go die in a hole so. I absolutely hate going against her. The only top laner I HATE
Hinagiku331 votesConsidering how horribly unfair laning against Pantheon was playing as Fiora before her rework I will now bask in your suffering.
Ralanr6 votesPlus considering how Pantheon becomes a stun bot late game, it's not fun after laning.
LadyRenly1 votesPlus considering how Pantheon becomes a stun bot late game, it's not fun after laning.
thats because pantheons given super obonxious early lane devastation in exchange for piss poor late game
you have to utilize your early game BS and destroy the game before you get to "stun bot" phase
HateDaddy2 votesPlus considering how Pantheon becomes a stun bot late game, it's not fun after laning.
That's not really true. It doesn't take much for him to blow a squishy up with a heavy armor pen + BC build. And sure, he's a stun bot if games get to 5v5 on equal grounds where everyone has gold but between his ult and oppressive lane phase, we aren't talking until 35 minutes+.
Pantheon is one of the worst designed champions in the game even though his theme is pretty cool, and his ult. But the rest of his design is one of the most frustrating kits to play against in the game. Binary kits like that shouldn't exist anymore tbh
statelesskiller1 votesa stun bot that can 100-0 the enemy adc by himeself you mean
Volcanuz1 votesWhy would you ever try take on a panth as an ADC alone..
That is as stupid as trying to solo a Fizz, Diana, Annie... crap any champ who can 100-0 you in a second flat. I mean its common sense he can 100-0 you.. why is it even an argument for why panth needs a change.. for crying out loud his secondary is assassin so it is his job to take out ADC's who are stupid enough to stray alone or get out of position.
HateDaddy1 votesWhy would you ever try take on a panth as an ADC alone..
That is as stupid as trying to solo a Fizz, Diana, Annie... crap any champ who can 100-0 you in a second flat. I mean its common sense he can 100-0 you.. why is it even an argument for why panth needs a change.. for crying out loud his secondary is assassin so it is his job to take out ADC's who are stupid enough to stray alone or get out of position.
Because he ults onto targets that are even slightly overextended. He avoids teamfights for the most part and spends most of his time bullying a laner and roaming with ult. Once lane phase has ended and his starved laner is trying to catch up, he's forcing picks and fights where the gold values are so unequal, his shitty scaling doesn't matter because 2 Qs plus an E is the death of a squishy.
Volcanuz1 votesOH boy i wonder what the counter to that is. Play safe? Nah can't be that easy.
Seriously though. Just play safe. He can't ult onto everything plus his ult is so easy to see coming it isn't even funny, his gone for 5 seconds? Back up hard. Group up and push together. Or you know your weak top can farm when his gone.
Seriously there are tons of videos of pros showing people from gameplay how to avoid panth and how to counter act his playstyle.
Volcanuz1 votesThere is a cooldown on it. And even with CDR its still high enough to not make him a stun bot, Sure if the fight goes on for 25 or more seconds he might be able to get 3 or so off.. but what about annie who has a longer and stronger stun which can stun multiple targets?
Stunbot is a silly name for what panth is.
Hinagiku332 votes[{quoted}](name=Usain Fiddle,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zQvKTIAG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-08-04T18:30:44.430+0000)
Gangplanks barrels), which seem also fair to play against.
Those barrels don't really feel fair at all to play against. They do obscene damage and have an enormous zoning radius. If you get even remotely close to one that's decayed to 1 health then he instantly drops another on you and pops the first barrel with his Q to blow it up with zero time to react and zero counterplay. The radius of the barrels plus the range Gangplank can place them and the range of his Q give him an obscene zone of power.
Between zoning any melee champs from farming indefinitely and dealing huge bursts of damage that partially ignore defense from range, the barrels make Gangplank's lane phase far too safe. Especially since popping barrels with his Q amps up the damage even more thanks to crit and applying on-hit effects like Grasp of the Undying, Triforce, and his passive true damage all safely from range.
At least Fiora has to get into melee range (or give up her W) to proc her passive true damage...
MavenSong1 votesHis q does not apply his passive.
statelesskiller1 votesyou do know . . . that you can just walk up to the barrel while its decaying . . . and AA it once right? just get the timing down. your AA is faster then gps q. and if your worried about eating a q dont be. gp was going to shoot you anyways.
even once gp hits 13 dont be afraid to do this. like you can disarm barrels REAAAAALY fucking easy
if your top lane play nasus. you cant stack barrels but you can shrug off gp q poke. and your AA reset lets you kill the barrels before he can do anything. if your mid lane play azir. whos soldiers can safely destroy barrels from range
Spoofghoul1 voteshis barrels dont apply grasp or trial by fire
in fact it works like this
he applies physical on hit/on attack damage and spell effects on his barrel explosion
so he applies
and crits & other sources of physical on hit damage like fervor
everything else he doesnt apply
Spoofghoul2 votesfiora is pretty bullshit though
i mean it doesnt even requrie precision to hit these vitals and they dont even rotate with your character making it about as easy to land as pantheons spearshot
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesI don't know what you are talking about, I love playing both of them. Even though I suck with Irelia, she is super fun to play.
i think hes saying they ARENT FUN TO PLAY AGAINST.
Volcanuz1 votesYeah maybe if you don't have a brain. Even the people he counters can alter their playstyle or get an item change and beat him. I think seasoned top players have very little problem vs'ing a panth top. I am by all means not one of those people, but even a lane swap is enough to destroy him in lane. I once was playing panth top and a Ahri lane swapped with a teemo(who i destroy with panth) and she put up a very good fight against me. Stopped my early game killing and forced me from some cs.
Some people forget they can just lane swap some times.
amazinick12134 votesI gave an upvote because of the fact that you like them. But, I don't want rito to change Irelia because I think she is extremely fun the way she is. The unique playstyle and her dueling power are the reason I continue to play her. I really like playing Pantheon as well. I wouldn't say he deserves some changes but I wouldn't mind him getting changes either.
Volcanuz1 votesThe problem is.. as someone who mains him top from time to time. If you alter anything, you will just end up making him stronger. So a TOTAL rework would be needed to make his kit balanced again. Which is why his always been that hard to nerf champion, i mean the E change alone they made a while back hurt him significantly. I think a rework would just kill the champion.. unless it is like Ryze rework and make him a damn god of top/jungle.
CrazFight 2 votesThey have literally said many times that there reworking Irelia soon.
Ok sure but why2 votes##TakeAwayIrelia'sTrueDamage
cope moment3 votesimo that's basically irelia' s only form of damage
Ok sure but why1 votesthat's because she has so damn much
Ralanr1 votesHopefully they will get VGU's in the next two years.
Calabok1 votesThey will get changed in 4 years in June
Laggiest Medic1 votesthey said theyre going to change them
Auz the Ripper1 votesBoth pantheon and irelia are included in the Diver update, which is after the assassin update I believe
Cookimonster3161 votesWhere did Riot say that a "Diver update" was happening
cope moment1 votesyeah, im kinda curious about this, could you provide a link?
Auz the Ripper1 votesWe haven't chosen a class for after assassins and, for anyone unsure, whichever update it is is also way off (mid next year). There's some good arguments for Divers, lot of similar and/or problematic champs there. Also some really good arguments for Vanguards (initiating tanks) too though, given they also do really similar things to each other and do a lot to define how team fights play out.
from this thread: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/t1aPWlyT-why-is-nocturne-not-included-in-the-upcoming-assassin-rework?comment=00000003000000020000
i remembered wrong in that it was confirmed. it's only likely
Tyermaillin1 votesHere http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dAFAE3c8-riot-subclasses-and-rengars-current-state it's said that Divers were a strong contender for this year's preseason roster change. There are more clear answers from Rioters but I can't find any right now
genya031 votesIt would be nice if they were to change Panth passive. His whole kit seems to be fine. Just his passive needs a change IMO.
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesRiot confirmed they're both due some full updates via VGU. But it's gonna take a while, probably mid to late next year. We've got Mordekaiser, Urgot, and Evelynn as the highest priorities for next year, and others in need of VGUs have been confirmed in Mundo, Nunu, and Rammus.
I am a Feminist1 votesI just want irelia to have some counterplay
Saphixia1 votesPantheon is on the rework list i think, a rioter said ages ago. Link ANyone?
AcidTheWarlock1 votesCheck the update thread at the top
Randomonium1 votesI'm pretty confident Pantheon will get some love when they do the diver update (which will maybe happen mid-season 7) and I know they have some plans for Irelia but I don't think those are happening anytime soon.
TheHurricaneGamr1 votesThey're both going to get a VGU, Riot just has not decided when.
