On the champion Zoe

Mokuto Bunshi·11/19/2017, 4:38:09 AM·6 votes·1,400 views

Edit: The reason i'm posting this is that i'm hoping riot can add more to her kit before realease.

Edit2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhwRz47Kk2Y Look at @3:39 Thats one of my issues with her. He says use portal jump to dodge, when, if you look closely she still got hit and stunned, she just moved.. :/ She's not tricking anyone. Also, according to the vid shes an artillery assassin.

To be honest I really like zoe, I really do(she herself is an awesome character), but her kit feels... empty. All her dmg is in Q. Her W is fun, but wholly unreliable due to its nature and need to be balanced with good ol fashioned RNG. Mechanically, her E is CC similar to morgana Q. What this leaves you with in a fight is an artillery mage who's whole kit lets me sleep ONE person into position(E), then use your R (either forward or backwards relative to targe for max dmg) in conjunction with Q to do a single slight shot for an AOE of dmg thats SUPER DAMAGING... but in less area than arcane comet. Its FEELS like a jayce's shockblast and Acceleration Gate but instead you use R and Q. Difference is, jayce has a HUGE kit that isn't just primarily that one combo...

Her kit as a whole feels like a stereotypical artillery mage's except its more risk/reward for landing the shots and you have some close range outplay potential. But that's it, she shoots one (or two) skill shots, uses some auto weaving maybe as her primary combo, and repeats.

Her ult is the trickster part but the issue is its the same as if you got rooted then knocked forward and knocked back. I'm defiantly stealing, but how am I tricking anyone of anything? If anything I am telling them where I'll be in 1 second! It doesn't feel like I can use it to trick them (see zed shadow, leblanc blink) if they see my origin, any OTHER champ with a skill shot knows where to fire.

I know I use the word "feel" a lot and compare to other champs, but thats because this champ makes me feel a lot of ways. Morgana Q with small delay. zed blink while rooted and without control. Then nidalee(or small aoe xerath shot) and repeat. Her only abilities that give the idea of a trickster are her E and R

Maybe if her Q had lots of interactions like throwing it then taking a ryze ult it would be a good wombo (I'm aware this interaction doesnt work) Maybe if her Q mg was cut in half so that she could use both casts of it to actually TRICK someone. Maybe if her W was able to hit more than one champ after if landed on the ground . Maybe if her E was more prominent in her kit as a combo or even outplay tool. Maybe if her passive wasn't just more dmg. Maybe if her R didn't wasn't just a reaching too and could actually TRICK someone. Or any of her kit for that matter.

Maybe, like her personality, she'd be more fun...

11 Comments

option paralysis11/19/2017, 5:16:52 PM1 votes

same here, I was excited when they said it's gonna be a burst mage... then I see this lil gurl and was big time disappointed. another champ with ult that does no dmg, gimmicky shit with E and Q. either UP or OP. bad champ.

warpenguin55511/19/2017, 5:27:46 PM1 votes

At first I thought she'd be pick/ban in pro play. Then I realized her biggest weakness, how the hell are you supposed to team fight with her? You would have to get really creative to make Zoe work in team fights. Meanwhile, Ori 10 times easier to use and is a pretty good team fighter

NTrumpWeTrust11/19/2017, 9:12:29 PM1 votes

I mean, Certainly T designed it so yeah, it's gonna be garbage and disappointing

Mokuto Bunshi11/19/2017, 11:49:48 PM1 votes

Yo, guys. I agree that she needs more to do in team fights (Outplay if shes NOT a mage or other combos if she is etc). But to be clear my stance on the champ her self is that its amphibious and IS good as a character. If I was only looking at her cute/annoying/mischievous/trickster personality. Id give her a SOLID 9/10. This thread is more to discuss her mechanics. I am bringing this up because I see the conversation might get cluttered away from mechanics and go off topic into whether a cute character fits into the game EHEMLulu EHEM Anyways stay chill yall.

Mokuto Bunshi11/20/2017, 12:06:11 AM1 votes

Also, guys, to alleviate the aforementioned issues. Should I use sums on her with low cooldowns like barrier and ghost along with CDR boots summoner specialist and cosmic insight? (108 second cooldown) or maybe smite with those things(45 seconds cooldown)? Maybe shes actually a jungler :P Or better yet, her W is her ult! because its on a longer cooldown than her portal?