REMOVE DUOQ AND AUTOFILL

HYPERMOVA·Sep 27, 2018·9 votes·2,178 views

Riot refuse to make game more competitive by just removing 1. Duoq so shit players can no longer get boosted and get carried and instead can learn what it means to carry a game by urself therefore teaching ppl how to get better

Autofill , support isn't the undesired role anymore every role is evenly played remmove this trash so u don't get 4fun trolls who play first time shit in ranked cause autofilled and refuse to dodge cause they shit players who don't understand -3 or -10 better than every1 -17

ain't no1 want this ranked per role trash u r just asking for dynamic queue cancer all over again this game is gonna be dead next season if this is the way u wanna go

Don't even get me started on ur shitty balance team HAHA buffing fiora kha darius pyke ?????? HAHAHAHAHA why haven't these clowns been sacked yet show these %%%%s the boot already

Fuck duo ahusers ur all shit

27 Comments

Sir PrepuziusSep 27, 20182 votes

it seems it's time to downvote something

HYPERMOVASep 27, 20185 votes

It seems Like somebody likes to get duo boosted and likes to kill this game

Dr BirdieSep 27, 20181 votes

Someone is very upset that they lost to a duo with better communication.

HYPERMOVASep 27, 20187 votes

I didn't lose shit I'm just saying all u duo boosted players are shit and need to eventually accept their hardstuck rank until they learn how to solo climb like men

Dr BirdieSep 27, 20181 votes

The only two people I play premade with are the one friend, who is the same rank as me and one friend who is one tier below me. But sure, I guess I am boosted.

[sg-lulu]

SaezioSep 27, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Midnight,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zA2beiqb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-27T12:29:41.286+0000)

Someone is very upset that they lost to a duo with better communication.

To be frank, Duo in the solo queue when there already exists a flex for duos seems not needed. Solo should be solo and duos can go to flex what is the problem

Dr BirdieSep 27, 20181 votes

You're totally right! It isn't fair for someone playing solo to go up against a duo, even if they have a duo on their own team at the same time. Which is why we should have five different ranked queues, one for solo, one for duo, one for trio, one for fours, and one for fives. Because current flex is unfair where you can go up against a trio when you're only in a duo.

SaezioSep 28, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Midnight,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zA2beiqb,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-09-27T23:31:42.886+0000)

You're totally right! It isn't fair for someone playing solo to go up against a duo, even if they have a duo on their own team at the same time. Which is why we should have five different ranked queues, one for solo, one for duo, one for trio, one for fours, and one for fives. Because current flex is unfair where you can go up against a trio when you're only in a duo.

How do you suppose we convince the solos to join the duo triple and quadra queues efficiently? The point was to have one queue for all solo(the most competitive queue where people go to prove their individual skill) and the flex queue for premades, does that sound off for some reason? Sure would be fair if both teams in solo had duos in the same positions but if that cannot be implemented just make it pure solo where is the harm? How is the irony here furthering the conversation?

Dr BirdieSep 28, 20182 votes

I love this argument that "solo queue is the most competitive way to play." It really shows how much someone knows about competitive team games.

In the LCS, do they get every single pro player to line up and then use an algorithm to create a team of random players, practically ensuring that there is never a team of the same five players twice?

Do they do this in the OWL? How about in traditional sports, like the NFL or NBA?

No they don't. They have predetermined teams of players, that play and practice together regularly, because the most competitive version of a team game is played as a team, not as an individual.

If you want to whine about duos, go right ahead, I won't stop you. I will give my own opinion on the topic, but I won't say you can't complain that you don't like it. But when you say that solo queue is "the most competitive way to play" you are objectively wrong. The most competitive way to play is in premades of five.

SaezioSep 28, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Midnight,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zA2beiqb,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-28T13:40:42.086+0000)

I love this argument that "solo queue is the most competitive way to play." It really shows how much someone knows about competitive team games.

In the LCS, do they get every single pro player to line up and then use an algorithm to create a team of random players, practically ensuring that there is never a team of the same five players twice?

Do they do this in the OWL? How about in traditional sports, like the NFL or NBA?

No they don't. They have predetermined teams of players, that play and practice together regularly, because the most competitive version of a team game is played as a team, not as an individual.

If you want to whine about duos, go right ahead, I won't stop you. I will give my own opinion on the topic, but I won't say you can't complain that you don't like it. But when you say that solo queue is "the most competitive way to play" you are objectively wrong. The most competitive way to play is in premades of five.

Oh I agree about the full premade teams, but we already have that. I am asking what is the point of having a solo/duo queue and a flex queue(1,2,3,5) ? And why is it better than having a soloqueue and the said flex. And you are making no comments on everything else I said except for the single line of "most competitive" which ok was wrong (the word "individual" should have been included)Clash is the most competitive obviously. But I would like to hear your points on the rest of my previous post. About having the same duo in both teams

Dr BirdieSep 28, 20181 votes

To reply to your other original point that I wasn't "furthering the conversation" there wasn't a conversation to further. OP was being hyperbolic and raging about how "everyone's boosted," so I chose to be hyperbolic and sarcastic in turn.

To your point about there being no reason for a solo/duo queue, when duos can just go to flex, I would say the reason for it is probably just because it has always been there and they didn't want to get rid of it when they made changes to the ranked queues.

In my opinion there shouldn't be one queue for solo/duo and one for duo+. I would prefer if there was just one queue that accepted any number for premade teams, and then clash as the super competitive queue.

SaezioSep 28, 20182 votes

To your point about there being no reason for a solo/duo queue, when duos can just go to flex, I would say the reason for it is probably just because it has always been there and they didn't want to get rid of it when they made changes to the ranked queues.

Well this is more of an excuse really and not a reason. A justification about what is and not what it "should be"

In my opinion there shouldn't be one queue for solo/duo and one for duo+. I would prefer if there was just one queue that accepted any number for premade teams, and then clash as the super competitive queue.

But obviously to have the same premades in both I presume? Wouldn't that be the ideal? But why not include a tiny small Soloque for the lone wolves in there?

Dr BirdieSep 28, 20181 votes

Because there is no reason to have a solo queue. The only thing that separating the queues into solo, and flex does is lengthen queue times, and in the case of the current set up, disallow anyone from playing in premades of 4.

I would like to know what advantages you see in having a dedicated solo queue.

SaezioSep 28, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Midnight,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zA2beiqb,comment-id=000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-28T18:22:31.967+0000)

Because there is no reason to have a solo queue. The only thing that separating the queues into solo, and flex does is lengthen queue times, and in the case of the current set up, disallow anyone from playing in premades of 4.

I would like to know what advantages you see in having a dedicated solo queue.

More equal games because duos have different mmr and it is very difficult to not warp a game into having to queue people of different MMRs together. Since duos can go to flex, why do they need to be able to go into soloqueue? There are ways to balance the duoqueuing (make them able to duo if they are within 1 or 2 divisions or make it a prerequisite to be first matched together and then be able to duo in the future, or even base it off MMR straight up) but, at least to me, it seems way more logical and easy to stick all premades together and all solo players together. There is an inherent disadvantage for example if one bot lane that is 2 solos is facing a duo bot. Or if a mid jungler duo faces 2 solo players.

Dr BirdieSep 29, 20181 votes

But the same disadvantages that are faced by solos facing duos, are faced by duos facing trios, so unless there is some way to make a queue for every number of premade groups, there is no point in claiming it is unfair to solos specifically. It is unfair to everyone.

Again the only "advantage" you've given me for why we should have a solo only queue, only has positive effects for the solos themselves, everyone else gets screwed with longer queue times, and no way to play in a premade of four, just so that solo players can play a team based game, without interacting with a team.

Why is it more important that solo players should not have to face duos, than it is for premades of four be allowed to play at all?

SaezioSep 29, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Midnight,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zA2beiqb,comment-id=00010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-29T12:14:59.995+0000)

But the same disadvantages that are faced by solos facing duos, are faced by duos facing trios, so unless there is some way to make a queue for every number of premade groups, there is no point in claiming it is unfair to solos specifically. It is unfair to everyone.

Again the only "advantage" you've given me for why we should have a solo only queue, only has positive effects for the solos themselves, everyone else gets screwed with longer queue times, and no way to play in a premade of four, just so that solo players can play a team based game, without interacting with a team.

Why is it more important that solo players should not have to face duos, than it is for premades of four be allowed to play at all?

You would need to face a 4-man as a duo to face the same disadvantages as a solo when he faces a duo. And guess what there are no 4-man premades. Longer queue time is the price you pay to play with your premades. You can play the team game as 5 solos but it is way more fair when the enemy has to do the same thing too. Because every solo player would want to play only with solos ON HIS RANKED GAMES. And you can play as 4 just not ranked. And for a reason. One solo ladder and one premade ladder why does this upset you? Isn't it more indicative of your skill if you only play solo? Or make it the same queue for playing but have another rank. Like duo ranking.. This way you can play with small queues but not inflate your rank because of a premade.

Dr BirdieSep 29, 20181 votes

First off "ON HIS RANKED GAMES." On "their" ranked games.* But sure I guess you can just go ahead and assume women don't play ranked.

"And you can play as 4 just not ranked. And for a reason."

I would like to know what this reason is that you have for premades of 4 not being allowed to play ranked. Which by the way let's just make this the standard then, only teams of 5 can play ranked, solos, duos, trios, and 4's can all go play norms.

"One solo ladder and one premade ladder why does this upset you?"

Because it lengthens queue times and disallows premades of 4, I thought I had made that point already.

"Isn't it more indicative of your skill if you only play solo?"

No. No it isn't. Yeah, you can have a friend carry you in a premade. But you can also just get carried in solos. And you can also pay for, or ask a friend to elo boost, so neither solo, nor flex, is more or less indicative of your skill than the other.

"Or make it the same queue for playing but have another rank. Like duo ranking.. This way you can play with small queues but not inflate your rank because of a premade."

This would be perfectly fine. It is the same as how they are changing it next season so you have a rank per role. Say you play at a Plat level as a Top, but a Master level as an ADC. I think it would be fine if there was something along the lines of "You are Gold IV as a solo, and your friend is Gold III as a solo, but when you play together, and communicate well, you have a duo rank of Gold I."

However, I would encourage you to lose the mentality that solo queue players are somehow, innately more skilled than their flex queue counterparts, as it is not only an incredibly toxic mindset, but just objectively wrong.

SaezioSep 29, 20181 votes

I apologize for using his instead of their. My bad really I am trying to use their as much as I can but for some reason the image of a frustrated hardstuck solo player is male in my mind. But solo players could choose to play in flex. And yes at the moment you can have someone carry/boost you in solo/duoq but you couldn't if it was solo only. I think the best would be to actually have a solo rank and a duo rank in the same queue so neither queues inflate nor solo MMRs. I have seen how they are about to make the queue with the positions and I have to say it is a step in the right direction, let's just hope toxic players are not encouraged to troll by this when they get autofilled since it won't affect their main rank. I never said that solo queue players are more skilled, I said that if someone plays only solo in either flex or soloqueue then their rank would be more indicative of their skill compared to someone that always plays as part of a duo/threesome. Or at least that is what I meant, if something different came out of my opinions please blame it on the fact that English is not my native language.

Dr BirdieSep 29, 20181 votes

"I apologize for using his instead of their."

That is very mature, and I am happily surprised because there are not a lot of people on the boards who would own up to this.

"yes at the moment you can have someone carry/boost you in solo/duoq but you couldn't if it was solo only."

The point I was making is that you can still be carried each game by random players on your team that are better than everyone else in the match. And you can still have someone else play on your account for you, to get you to a rank you didn't earn.

" I said that if someone plays only solo in either flex or soloqueue then their rank would be more indicative of their skill compared to someone that always plays as part of a duo/threesome"

I understand what you mean by this but I disagree. I don't see how a rank of Diamond I in solo queue indicates more skill than a rank of Diamond I in flex. You have to assume that both got there on their own merits. Because if you assume that one was carried by their teammates, but the other isn't, that's a very toxic and unfounded bias to hold.

Arcade LuluSep 27, 20181 votes

Welp somebody's upset about losing too many ranked games and not having any friends to play duo with

HYPERMOVASep 27, 20182 votes

Losing ?? I'm on like a 5 win streak stop talking shit u fool if u wanna play with friends go play normals or flex duoq is just uncompetitive for soloq as it just a get out of jail free card for bad players to get ranks they can't achieve on their own

But ofc u don't understand this ur probably a silver duo abuser who loves to ruin this game

SaezioSep 27, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zA2beiqb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-27T13:57:14.341+0000)

Welp somebody's upset about losing too many ranked games and not having any friends to play duo with

Why should there be duo in the soloqueue? There is already the flex queue for that

HYPERMOVASep 27, 20182 votes

I'm glad some1 has a brain

If these ppl wanna play with friends they can go play flex or normals or aram

Soloq is a competitive gamemode and if people support duo abusers then they don't know anything about this game and want to kill it

SaezioSep 27, 20181 votes

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I'm glad some1 has a brain

If these ppl wanna play with friends they can go play flex or normals or aram

Soloq is a competitive gamemode and if people support duo abusers then they don't know anything about this game and want to kill it

Well, maybe they don't necessarily want to kill the game or are clueless about it. A lot of people reply based on personal experience and what would disrupt their own way of enjoying the game, instead of taking a step back and trying to look at a mechanism in an unbiased way from ground zero, it could even be that you don't like duo not because you feel like it is affecting YOU in a negative way and not because there is inherently 0 reason to have duo implemented in the Soloqueue system especially when one can perfectly play in flex with their mate. (not saying that this is the case just making an example)

Dr BirdieSep 27, 20181 votes

Yep! You got me! I definitely want to kill the game I have been playing for 5 years and have sunk probably over a thousand dollars into!