why does support always have to change champ?

Whitestar2010·Oct 30, 2016·4 votes·1,000 views

Just a discussion here but why do support always have to change champ?

adc prefers a certain support, support changes!

top wants to take teemo top, need tank support demanded to change!

jungler can take tank but if no tank on team it is support fault and should change!

and you people wonder why no one wants to play support, simply because everyone demands they play something else?

If you want a tank then play a tank yourself, if you want a certain support play them yourself it isn't hard stop forcing other people to play champs they don't want or aren't comfortable with and then get in game the person ends up feeding. Then it is noob support, uninstall support, feeder support?

So why is it supports problem?

16 Comments

Handy Sandy Oct 30, 20165 votes

They don't. Play what you want.

Exta5yOct 30, 20163 votes

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Just a discussion here but why do support always have to change champ?

adc prefers a certain support, support changes!

top wants to take teemo top, need tank support demanded to change!

jungler can take tank but if no tank on team it is support fault and should change!

and you people wonder why no one wants to play support, simply because everyone demands they play something else?

If you want a tank then play a tank yourself, if you want a certain support play them yourself it isn't hard stop forcing other people to play champs they don't want or aren't comfortable with and then get in game the person ends up feeding. Then it is noob support, uninstall support, feeder support?

So why is it supports problem?

You noob support l2p, from a real support

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20162 votes

hmm why not let them pick and play what they want?

did you not get to choose and play what you want?

MarshbouyOct 30, 20162 votes

Because

support champions generally have lower skill caps than other champions allowing for the support to be able to choose between a wide variety of champions(a good number of supports are low cost)
the support role is literally defined as supporting the team->you do what the team wants to support them best
you don't have to switch.

EnvironmentalistOct 30, 20161 votes

Haha wat

There are varying skill caps for every role, for example Riven, Yi, Annie, Mundo, Trist, Volibear... I could go on.
you're literally defined as dumb
you got one right!

MarshbouyOct 30, 20161 votes

yeah, but the vast majority of support champions have low skillcaps. Sorry that you don't enjoy supporting the team as the support

EnvironmentalistOct 30, 20161 votes

Judging by the number of down votes you received, you don't enjoy common sense. I'll stick to being a kick ass support, you stick to ignorance. Take care.

MarshbouyOct 30, 20161 votes

Judging by the fact that you won't counter my arguments i can only assume you have no logical leg to stand on. I'll stick to also being a moderately fine support who will change my picks to better suit the team when needed.

Judging by the number of down votes you received, you don't enjoy common sense.

since when has downvotes ever meant that someone was right or wrong? May i kindly turn your head to the tyler1 circlejerk?

Swiftstrike4Oct 30, 20161 votes

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yeah, but the vast majority of support champions have low skillcaps. Sorry that you don't enjoy supporting the team as the support

They don't have low skill caps, they simply do not have to CS. This makes it easier for a player to learn how to effectively use their skills. Supports don't have to worry about last hitting and missing CS or farming under tower, they don't have to trade CS to use their abilities. This allows them to focus on other elements of gameplay.

It is easy to pick up some supports, but you can say the same with some mid laners or top laners. You can improve and learn the support role quicker just because you don't have to learn to last hit and trading the same way as a typical laner.

Comps don't really matter too much in bronze, silver, or most of Gold. You are just better off playing the champions that you feel comfortable with.

I almost never listen to support requests from the ADC because I know that by playing the champions I am comfortable with I give us the best chance to win. I also do not expect my ADC to adjust their pick because I pick a specific support.

MarshbouyOct 30, 20161 votes

The difficulty of Csing and the difficulty of a champion's mechanics are independent of one another.

The vast majority of supports are low skillcap and have but one "difficult" mechanic to understand. Only a handful have high skill floors and high skill ceilings.

But can you say it about the vast majority of top laners and midlaners?

That's incredibly false. I have played enough in bronze and silver to understand that having a team of 5 squishies will net you an almost guranteed loss. I'm not talking yasuo knockup comps, i'm talking the basic "1-2 tanks, ADC, mage, and maybe an assassin" comps.

Well good luck playing in a team of Karma Jinx Lux Diana and Riven

Swiftstrike4Oct 30, 20161 votes

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The difficulty of Csing and the difficulty of a champion's mechanics are independent of one another.

The vast majority of supports are low skillcap and have but one "difficult" mechanic to understand. Only a handful have high skill floors and high skill ceilings.

But can you say it about the vast majority of top laners and midlaners?

That's incredibly false. I have played enough in bronze and silver to understand that having a team of 5 squishies will net you an almost guranteed loss. I'm not talking yasuo knockup comps, i'm talking the basic "1-2 tanks, ADC, mage, and maybe an assassin" comps.

Well good luck playing in a team of and

Yeah, I completely disagree with your assumption that supports are mostly low skill cap champions. A few have lower caps than others such as Sona Soraka and Janna , but then you have Bard Thresh which are all much higher in skill cap.

There are plenty of top and mid laners that are low skill cap as well. I just disagree with the idea that you think that most are low skill cap. Requesting a support to change from Janna to a tanky support like Thresh is pretty unreasonable considering the cap differential. I may even be glossing over Janna mains here (I don't play her, her cap may be higher than I think).

Every position has about the same range of high or low skill cap champions, with perhaps the mid lane having some of the higher caps because they have simply more skill shots.

Tanks do have a higher win percentage in general but in the low elo comp, does not matter too much.

The skill of the player is more important. I actually had to climb one of my accounts from silver V to gold V playing mostly support . I didn't even play brand support at the time, but I was mostly was trying to play tanks and having a hard time winning at the support position with them. I realized my ADCs were not responding to my engages in the same way as a player in upper gold and plat player would. They were largely NOT responding at all.

So I would go in, die, and my adc would be leisurely farming. I switched to Brand because I could zone the enemy away from my ADC so that they could farm AND I could kill my opponents on my own if they engaged and my ADC was unreliable.

The games were also going long enough in that elo that I could get items. Brand is pretty effective after item 2301 item 3116 and item 3158 . Add a item 3151 and I am doing roughly the same amount of damage as most other carries if I land my combos in the right order.

And since everyone in silver and bronze likes to group, Brand was incredibly effective. I didn't even understand much about Brand's kit. I pretty much learned how to play brand while playing on that account, but I found playing a tank in the bottom lane just was not working regardless of the comp.

I didn't consider my team comp and it didn't matter much. We could win games with out any tanks or with one or two. Ended up getting that account to gold with a 59% win rate playing support brand, just by learning the champion. I do take him into ranked games on my main account sometimes, but I have played in plenty of low elo games between this account being placed in Bronze I this season and climbing two smurfs to Gold V to say that you are best off just playing the champion you are strongest with in that elo.

Considering comp does not really matter until probably upper plat.

MarshbouyOct 30, 20161 votes

I am just going to retract my previous statement because i don't want to argue this any further.

DrackolusOct 30, 20162 votes

Team comp is not important until the highest tiers or in team play. Admittedly, sometimes, if someone asks me to be a tank I sometimes switch to Leona , but only if it sounds fun to me. She is one of my best champs, after all. If someone asks me for a specific support I don't wanna play, I don't switch. I figure, if they're gonna be rude because of that, they were gonna be rude anyway; you need to carry even harder then. Just pick your best.

Other players that you've never met have no idea what champs you're good with. Sona is one of the highest winrate supports (source )) and I've played a ton of games with her - she's my fourth highest mastery points, and one of my oldest supports. I'm still pretty darn awful with her. My Lulu is much much better and I have less than half the points on her.

AptestOct 30, 20161 votes

I used to think like that whenever someone said "need a tanky sup". Then I realized: other people are just asking me for what they want. why am I offended? Instead, if I want the top or the jungle to tank up, I just ASK THEM.

Q: "So why is it supports problem?" A: Because the top lane and the jungle and the mid lane ASK NICELY AND POLITELY. and the support player generally does not. Q: how to change situation? A: support player learns to open mouth and speak up.

Swiftstrike4Oct 30, 20161 votes

I usually just play what I am comfortable with, which is Sona or Leona . All do different things for the lane. I usually ignore if someone requests a specific champion, but the requests happen less frequently in Gold. When I was silver or playing on my silver account people hated when I picked support and they always requested Braum . I just ignored them.

I do request that Blitzcrank be banned. I don't like how that champion changes bot lane dynamics and while I am OK at dodging his grab I don't know if my ADC will be.

I often show Soraka and say "please ban blitz." If the ADC bans blitz I will stay as soraka, but if anyone else bans blitz I just switch to one of my other supports.

R18Oct 30, 20161 votes

As a support main I say this: Support CHAMPION are the fucking easiest to play in the game The role is a different story, you have to: -Ward -Peel -Make descisions -And most importantly.... Protect your autistic, bitch ass adc