Tanks Becoming Irrelevant

xXBeaverFeverXx·Oct 19, 2019·2 votes·964 views

Tanks are becoming more and more overshadowed by the constant encouragement for high dps champions. Excluding Darius and Garen who do whatever they want anyways, tanks are having much less impact than they used to. You can buy a Thornmail and still get shredded because there’s so much percent health damage, on top of all the lethality in the game. One of the biggest hits was the nerf to Thornmail and the removal of the damage taken reflected back, on top of the flat scaling damage. There’s just no repercussions for attacking a full built tank anymore. It’s sad that so much emphasis has been put on dealing damage compared to survivability and the only exceptions are Darius and Garen, who have both. Can we give tanks their survivability back?

10 Comments

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20192 votes

JUGGERNAUTS ARE NOT TANKS

plz people learn what a tank is

and yes tanks are bad , they have been bad for a while.

Lost ROct 19, 20191 votes

Umm, no? Last night my team jumped on an Illaoi and she ulted us. Everyone died except me (Support Ornn), and I tanked all five tentacles hitting me repeatedly PLUS Illaoi, and I eventually managed to drop her, and still had half my health.

Besides, Garen's spin is now considered an on-hit attack and procs Thornmail.

meowwow7Oct 19, 20191 votes

i wish the spin was an on hit spell because i've tried it with item 3124 and it didn't stack at all

AlienPrimateOct 19, 20191 votes

Here we go again....LETHALITY DOES NOT COUNTER ARMOR! Armor counter lethality. In the exact same way that a tank gets reduced value out of armor when building more armor, an assassin will get less value out of flat penetration against a target with high armor. Look at the calculations.

50 armor/30 lethality:

1-50/150 = 66.7% damage taken 1-20/120 = 83.3% damage taken 83.3/66.7 = 25% damage increase

100 armor/30 lethality:

1-100/200 = 50% damage taken 1-70/170 = 58.5% damage taken 58.8/50 = 17.6% damage increase

200 armor/30 lethality:

1-200/300 = 33% damage taken 1-170/270 = 37% damage taken 37/33 = 12% damage increase

Now lets take this a step closer and add damage numbers to it. For simplicity, I will use a base damage of a combo of 1000.

50 armor would take 833 damage increased from 667 by lethality

100 armor would take 585 damage increased from 500 by lethality

200 armor would take 370 damage increased from 330 by lethality

Lethality increases the damage more against low armor targets while already doing higher damage to them to begin with.

KeiagaOct 19, 20191 votes

There's plenty of tanks that are still good. In fact, jungle is dominated by tanks right now in plat elo.

DrMundo Zac Nunu are all in the top 10 highest winrates. So are Volibear and Hecarim if you want to count them as tanks.

And then in support lane you have Nautilus Leona both doing extremely well along with Blitzcrank if you count him as a tank.

And in top lane there's 12ish tanks that all have above a 50% winrate right now, and about 7 that are below 50%.

Seems like they're actually doing pretty well.

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20191 votes

mundo not a tank

vi not a tank

zac and nunu ok they have ok win rates but play rates and bans are below average voli and hec arent tanks

naut and leona are and they are doing well

blitz isnt a tank either

KeiagaOct 19, 20191 votes

stop spamming every thread with this nonsense lol. We've already had this discussion a couple times. People know what the term 'tank' means.

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20192 votes

no apparently they and you dont

KeiagaOct 19, 20191 votes

Explain to me again the logic of how Dr. Mundo isn't a tank, even though his core and most effective build is purely defensive items, and his entire kit is based around regenerating HP, gaining tenacity and being extremely difficult to kill, and he's listed as a tank in the in-client store?

It's just because he's also sometimes listed as a juggernaut right?

MrFawknSunshineOct 19, 20191 votes

he isnt listed sometimes as a juggernaut he is a juggernaut

just like garen , darius , nasus etc

the champs build isnt what defines their classification

i have more then once provided links of sources of RIOTS DEV claiming he is a juggernaut

tanks have multiple forms of cc and either engage or disengage mundo dont have this

his only form of any cc is his Q , well darius has cc with W , garen with Q , nasus with W these champs all are TANKY who do a lot of damage but have no mobility or hard cc /engage /disengage

mundo is very very similar to olaf , olaf isnt a tank. they both get ad steroids that give then bonus damage when low on hp, they have their Q as their only form of "CC" they both have abilities that make them immune to crowd control and they have abilities that cost them health to use.