Please remove Kai'sa from the marksman list... She's clearly not a marksman

Uncle Mok Mok·Mar 11, 2018·3 votes·891 views

Her range is low Her Q damage is inconsistent Her Ult does no damage or cc it's just a gap closer Her build is not all over place with AP mixed in Her clear is terrible Her steroid stops her from attacking

She's maybe an assassin but there is no way she's a marksman.

I'm sick of playing in games where people are using her in the bot lane and can't do anything. The only way is good is if she gets an early gank or cheese and then snowballs. That is the very definition of assassin.

19 Comments

z63XnLCMwXMar 11, 20182 votes

If i remember correctly, teemo and jayce are listed as marksman too, but no way are they marksman. Just rito things

InTheoryMar 11, 20183 votes

Teemo is categorized as "Special" and Jayce as "Artillery". I think Kai'Sa alternatively be special, but all in all I'm ok with her being called marksman. The only thing that bugges me is that people assume form that, that she's a marksman only - even though she's considered to have different build directions.

Uncle Mok MokMar 11, 20181 votes

And that's the problem. Everyone wants to play her in the bot lane.

Uncle Mok MokMar 11, 20181 votes

the problem is everyone wants to play her in the bot lane because she's listed as a marksman and she's terrible at it. Soraka is more a marksman than this champ.

RexxieeMar 12, 20182 votes

Shes an adc, just a really bad one.

She just needs buffs.

Uncle Mok MokMar 12, 20181 votes

Definitely not an adc. Her kit relies on her investing heavily in ap items. If she doesn't take ap items then she really only has 2 damage abilities.

RexxieeMar 12, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Uncle Mok Mok,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeBtohiK,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-03-12T04:22:18.588+0000)

Definitely not an adc. Her kit relies on her investing heavily in ap items. If she doesn't take ap items then she really only has 2 damage abilities.

Wtf you're talking about.

JustMonika13Mar 12, 20182 votes

Her current highest winrate and pickrate are in the bot lane (43% and 11% respectively). Both of those stats are lower for her in the jungle and in mid.

She needs babysitting even more than every other ADC in the game, arguably even more so than Vayne. Her early game is atrociously terrible. In the bot lane she gets that babysitting with a ~~slave~~ support. In the jungle she’s incredibly susceptible to invades and counter jungling, and she suffers from not having anything to initiate a gank and relies on the lane to start (at least Kin has a slow). In mid lane, again, her early game is terrible and she doesn’t have a slave (unless jungle camps mid). She has no real escape mobility and will be butchered by any decent midlaner.

She’s made for the bot lane, quit lying to yourself OP.

RagnaveilMar 11, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Uncle Mok Mok,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeBtohiK,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-11T20:02:19.419+0000) Her Q damage is inconsistent

I take issue to that, a target with no other targets around them takes the full 12 missiles, which does, at max rank,** 275 (+ 100% bonus AD) (+ 50% AP). And thats not adding the fact that PTA can increase that damage by 12% late game**. It's also physical, meaning** Last Whisper** in certain matchups and builds can make that a lot more painful. She's another Vayne, but designed differently. So yes, she's an assassin ADC.

Uncle Mok MokMar 11, 20182 votes

you clearly haven't played her much... in lane her q does nothing... that's why it's inconsistent

RagnaveilMar 11, 20182 votes

Well no duh, thats lane phase. Minions will be targeted by her Q. It's meant for a way to last hit multiple minions. Have you forgot the 200% bonus damage to minnions? Sure, the targeting could be better, but its whatever.

Uncle Mok MokMar 12, 20182 votes

Have you played her? Her Q does almost no damage to minions or anything. She has no way to poke except her auto and her range is 500. She can't clear for beans and her Q damage spreads out so much that it literally is only for last hitting because you have nothing else to do with your mana.

RagnaveilMar 12, 20182 votes

So let me guess, give her +50 range and you'll be happy, I see. They have to give champs weaknesses, her's is early and some of mid game.

Uncle Mok MokMar 12, 20182 votes

Wow you're just toxic. She needs to be off the list so people can stop try to play her as an adc in the bot lane. She garbage as she is. If you have nothing to contribute, maybe move on and troll somewhere else on the board.

RagnaveilMar 12, 20182 votes

Right, so if i'm trolling, why doesn't your post have high upvotes? I rest my case. Your view isn't the same as what Riot intended for the champ, and if she falls out of line with their view? They'll fix it like they've done before. Look at Ornn now compared to launch, and you'll see what I mean.

Uncle Mok MokMar 12, 20181 votes

You've contributed nothing to the conversation other than.... "Nuh uh" You have no counter to tell me how she's good or a bot lane adc champ. I'm all ears if you'd like to enlighten me.

RagnaveilMar 12, 20182 votes

She's neither.

LuminevMar 12, 20181 votes

Her Q does 300% damage on low health minions. At least read her abilities.

LuminevMar 12, 20181 votes

1st I just love the comedy gold that is "Her clear is terrible". No her build isn't all over the place, you only really get AP on her in certain situations. I don't want to get to into it, but she is a marksmen. She can adc. She's just not easy. People are failing because they don't understand how to use her yet. It took me over 10 games to finally get through my thicc ass skull "Oh, so that's how you play her" and I'm still learning.