@any rioter S3 Diamond Fizz main, "Tank Assassin Fizz update"

Drey Gasai·11/4/2016, 8:50:46 AM·1 votes·1,032 views

With these new changes, Fizz goes from his one shot + consistent damage w, to a one shot wonder if applied correctly. Without ult you probably won't do much unless you stand beside a carry begging them not to kill you while your passive cooks. After you're able to hit your w, you're done! Leave! It's not like there's anything else he can do. So basically, at best case, he's a bit better/around the same, but at worst case, he does literally nothing. Can't do his damage on the outskirts with w, can't poke quickly and retreat.

That's fine and all, no one liked Fizz doing that in tandem with his e. The thing is that now Fizz's W does insane base damage and resets his auto attacks. As well, it gives him easy last hitting potential and mana sustain in lane. His ult at max range gives him a large (HUGE) aoe initiation for you. What does this all mean? I'm going top lane and building tri force sunfire and dark seal. He has an auto reset for triforce and ferver, and his initiation is way better now (it's also easier to land). Max cdr and tankiness and you'll be doing tons of damage with your one damage item in tri force and your w.

I don't want to use E for damage in either case because as ap Fizz, I'm probably gonna die and you probably won't in most cases, and what's the point in slowing something you can't kill? If you're running just double E. You can't keep poking with W anymore after using the slow. You can use E to wait out w's cooking time, but this alone really takes away from Fizz's gameplay style (as a disgusting main I can say this), as well as makes you super vulnerable, especially when you already had to hit them with a glowing "I'm going to dive you right here right now" button in your shark.

As tank it's my aoe slow and "stop running from me" button. I feel like this update is going in the wrong direction, and just leans towards fizz going tank again. In fact, not only this, but leblanc as well. Not as a tank, but having assassins cook spells on targets, and having them stick on a target for hours to deal damage? What happened to get in and get out? Also, Leblanc's recommended says RoA now? Why not just add Rylai's too? . . .

5 Comments

Aaravos11/4/2016, 11:51:17 AM3 votes

I don't want to say anything until it's hit live, but my prediction is similar. Tank Fizz with item 3025 will be stronger than ap Fizz. Potentially he is a great mid laner with this kit, but his cooldown is just way too high for a squishy meele damage dealer to compete Syndra or Cassiopeia. Maybe the cd is acceptable on 40% cdr but you won't have it in a dragon fight where you are disconnected for like 8 seconds after you used your rotation. 8 second on a maxed w is a joke. Ap Fizz can't live with this, tank Fizz can however. 4 way to get rid of tank Fizz:

  1. Azir threatment

  2. Solve the itemisation problems finally (both tank and ap). Would be the best, so we don't need to overtune mages and assasins to be revelant.

  3. Yorick level rework (nobody want this)

  4. Make ap Fizz strong and worth to pick over the meta mages so he can overshadow tank Fizz.

afk soon btw11/4/2016, 9:39:14 AM1 votes

????

The only reason Tank Fizz was somewhat viable is the amount of free brawling stats he gained with his W and 20% of his R.

Now he doesnt have those on-hit or missing health making him weak af when not going for any ap. He has huge scaling and shit base Dmg.

You cant play a champion as a tank when he has shit base DMG.

Drey Gasai11/4/2016, 9:51:14 AM1 votes

His w has insane base damage, with it going up to 270 as well as the additional auto attack. This plus Tri Force/Sunfire would be enough to keep him strong as a bruiserish champion. He may have lost his percent damage, but he now has that beefy damage proc that would be more useful on a fighter who can stay in to create the circumstance (waiting for passive to cook). It certainly won't be old tank fizz, but it honestly sounds stronger than new ap fizz.

Dracocrash11/4/2016, 11:40:15 AM1 votes

270 base damage isnt insane. Janna's W has a higher base damage at max rank lol.

Tank fizz was viable cause of % missing HP damage, that is byebye.

As someone who has played fizz on pbe, ap fizz is really nice. The only problem is those AD+MR items, they make it insanely hard to do anything.