Riot, do you still have plans to address toxicity, especially in the lower elos?

ýeri··1 votes·647 views

I've been playing League since Season 2, and I've enjoyed the game and the LCS scene for a very long time. But I still haven't seen anything that directly addresses negative behavior, feeding, and toxicity in the games. I like playing jungle, but in ranked I have to pick support as my main preference because if other people are autofilled to support, they either pick something like AP Yasuo, or just become toxic in game and refuse to help the team (Yes, the AP Yasuo was actually in one of my games).

Riot got rid of the Tribunal, which I think was a good way for players to help with reports (for a little incentive, 5 IP)... The quality of my games have been so low that sometimes I just mute my whole team. No, I've never been reported, and I don't treat my team, or the other team poorly. I don't flame, or rage, or become toxic. I say "please" when I need help and I try to ward everywhere to help as much as I can. But even trying to act polite and being nice doesn't seem to work. People may say to just mute the others, but that's just ignoring the problem and pretending that people aren't being toxic.

What is Riot doing to address this problem?

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Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Riot is always concerned with toxicity at all levels of play, but their primary focus right now is finishing the League Client Update. Once it goes from Beta to Release they'll have the resources to focus on new features and the Behavior Initiatives, though I can't say where their initial priorities will be.

People may say to just mute the others, but that's just ignoring the problem and pretending that people aren't being toxic.

There is no way to punish a player in the middle of a match, so Muting is for your personal and immediate benefit. Yes, it's "ignoring" the problem, but that is how you make the match at hand more enjoyable for yourself and it isn't meant to solve anything permanently. Reporting is what you use to address the bigger picture and reduce that individual's toxic footprint in the future so that others don't also have to Mute them.

Riot got rid of the Tribunal, which I think was a good way for players to help with reports

The Tribunal was actually notoriously slow at handling cases (we're talking months) while the Instant Feedback System processes a case within 15 minutes. The IFS is also consistent with (when all IFS cases were manually reviewed) a false positive rate of 1:6000; better than the Tribunal had because players would vote inconsistently for fun or just to net their IP bonus.

Riot has mentioned that if/when the Tribunal were to return, it would be to accentuate the IFS for fringe cases, not replace anything. A new Honor Initiative would likely also be a part of it.

No, I've never been reported

I'm not saying you've been negative/toxic, but nobody knows if they are reported or not, you get no indication of it until you're punished.

But even trying to act polite and being nice doesn't seem to work

It's natural for a stranger to not want the unsolicited advice of another complete stranger, and even if you're nice about or a higher rank or w/e it that doesn't mean they feel your ideas are better than theirs; you might both be right, you might both be wrong. If they are not receptive, it's best to just let them be.

As long as your reports are accurate, just rely on them even if you feel they don't help, because they will contribute. Most players are not considered "toxic", but do have bad days and are more negative than usual. This can add up when multiple players are being just a little negative and it makes the whole match feel toxic, so encourage them to focus on the game and keep using Mute if they would rather argue.

Humpelstilzche1 votes

But I still haven't seen anything that directly addresses negative behavior

Given the fact that Riot is VERY vocal about player behavior and that there have been at least a dozen news posts about Player Behavior initiatives, I have difficulties believing that, unless you literally never take a look at the news, not even the ones in the client.

Riot got rid of the Tribunal, which I think was a good way for players to help with reports (for a little incentive, 5 IP)

It was good, but not good enough. The crucial flaw of the Tribunal was its speed. It often took days, weeks or even months to fully process a case. Since speed (i.e. being punished as fast as possible after the "bad" behavior) is one of the main factors for the efficiency of punishments, this wasn't acceptable and greatly reduced the value of the Tribunal. The new Instant Feedback System takes roughly 0-5 minutes to process a case. It's literally tenthousand times faster, which also resultes in a way higher reform ratio. Unrelated but worth mentioning: The Tribunal only had IP rewards for a very short time since they turned out to be ineffective (attracting the wrong kind of players).

What is Riot doing to address this problem?

Answering that would take a few hours. Some stuff is obvious, like the Instant Feedback System, the Leaverbuster and the Feederbuster. But pretty much every decision Riot makes has some influence on player behavior and Riot is tackling the problem from all possible sides. This even goes to areas like the rythm of the music in champ select or the color of the loading screen tips.

The problem is: It's not a problem you can just solve. This problem is about human psychology, it's very complex and there simply is no easy solution. There is no solution that BAM reduces toxicity by 50% (at least none that doesn't already exist). After Riot implemented the basic stuff, new solutions affect toxicity in very small ways. Stuff like the color of the text in the loading screen might seem unimportant, but all these details combined have a significant impact. But it also makes it very hard to give a short answer for the question "What is Riot doing?".

If you want to dig a bit deeper in what Riot has done in the last few years, I can provide you with some sources. But you should be ready to invest a few hours, reading the headlines won't do the job. Like I said, it's a very complex topic.

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