Since Xypherous confirmed Eve is kept trash on purpose.

1st HanarSpectre·2/19/2015, 7:32:10 PM·90 votes·6,269 views

How about you just get rid of stealth altogether then. Since it is beyond clear that: -You hate the mechanism. -You absolutely cannot balance it whatsoever. -You don't care about having champions kept purposely weak because of it. I'm honestly not sure why you can't deal with stealth. Dota, HoN and even now Heroes of the storm all have permanently stealthed units, and it works fine for them, sure you could say stealth is a mechanic that isn't really fun for some players to play against, but if that was just the case you would never dare to introduce horrible monstrosity to the game like fucking Kalista.

tl;dr Just get rid of stealth, you have no idea what to do with it anyway. Buff Eve's stats and make her a playable champion again.

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Michel4ngel02/19/2015, 9:34:43 PM32 votes

Riot is testing a new ward-like item on PBE that would create counterplay to her permastealth and allow buffing her. It's not like they completely ignore her. EDIT: Mandrake Ward

MrSlowDie2/19/2015, 9:32:08 PM28 votes

riot is picky, they hate stealth, hate heal, hate mana regen, hate immobile. But they love knock up and flashy plays

Minrog2/19/2015, 7:50:14 PM20 votes

I remember seeing posts like this about Eve before there were Seasons in LoL. Back then I thought it was just simple inability on the part of the character dev team, because they were so new to game design. It has been 5 years now and last year they made a billion dollars and can easily afford to pay skilled developers.

Now, I just think that they are paralyzed with fear and unable to do anything unless forced to by the community. When they make changes it's only to placate and they are typically the wrong changes anyway. It's like what we were seeing with Microsoft when Steve Ballmer was running the show, 10 years of indecision/bad decisions.

As for your specific complaint, I agree. If they can't figure out how to work it into the game they need to strip it out and replace it. They are wasting a lot of their content on characters that are left intentionally dormant. If they dumped Eve's stealth and made her back into an AP jungle assassin I think it would be well received. It'd be better than it is now anyway.

DeusVult2/20/2015, 1:52:51 AM12 votes

For anyone who disagrees, look at the champs with stealth

Evelynn Stats/damage/everything kept low because they "don't like" her playstyle or engage

Khazix Every time he becomes a pick, they nerf something. They say his mobility and stealth make him too hard to handle

Rengar Stats and damage kept low because they don't like how he can pick a target and take them out. yet Zed exists and is considered balanced

Shaco Nerfs repeatedly because he was too strong early vs champs who pushed

Akali and Twitch are the only ones who are in a decent balance spot out of everyone who uses mobile stealths

Riot hates stealth and the "problems" they think it creates, yet they have no problem with untargetable gapclosers and insane mobility and overloaded kits

Retillin2/19/2015, 8:20:49 PM11 votes

[{quoted}](name=1st HanarSpectre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yGIHyVnu,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-02-19T19:32:10.659+0000) sure you could say stealth is a mechanic that isn't really fun for some players to play against,** but if that was just the case you would never dare to introduce horrible monstrosity to the game like fucking Kalista. ** tl;dr Just get rid of stealth, you have no idea what to do with it anyway. Buff Eve's stats and make her a playable champion again.

I do question what Riot thinks is "fun" at times....

Arya Starck2/19/2015, 10:53:35 PM8 votes

but stealth is her identity, and heels

Leti the Yeti2/19/2015, 8:18:28 PM8 votes

remove stealth? might as remove Eve reworks gon be worse than sion ;l

kinda wat erryone liked playing her for more ninja than the ninjas in league

junglerboy162/20/2015, 12:50:58 AM6 votes

When Xypherous was talking about the mandrake root thingy that they are testing on the PBE, he said that the point of stealth that they are going for is the "I know they are there, but not exactly where." treatment. His whole point is that having perma-stealth is only a not ok thing if there is 0 warning. Rengar's Ult is balanced because his enemies know he is somewhere nearby, not exactly where, but somewhere. They want Eve to be similar to that design, so that it opens up cool mind games and flanking patterns without being 0 counterplay. He made it clear that there intention was to make this a way to indirectly nerf Eve so that they could buff her without breaking her, which is a very good thing.

Vegas Dad2/20/2015, 4:04:36 AM4 votes

this is one of my main beefs with this game and why i have not offered up any rp purchases for a few years now. Some meatheads at riot get to decide who we are allowed to play and succeed with. Hey you can dominate and shit all over people for years with lee sin because muh skill cap, but hey WW was able to compete gut him asap. singed top playable! denied nerf the piss out of him he is annoying unlike gnar!

Zed is allowed to click target instagib all he wants and do it safely ;Warwick does it and is unsafe doing it? UNHEALTHY FOR THE GAME! Lucien wildly OP for full year urgot unplayble for 2 years Dat kit is unhealthy! really wtf according to who? some retard who barely plays the game on your payroll?

eve stealth unhealthy for the game because you know we decided to allow the removal of all fog of war mechanics because you know vision play is soo much fun and useful, hey all lets stand here and kill wards all game and have a 3-1 score after 30 min farm fests because 30 wards are on the map at all times! PS we will let a hyper carry like vayne have stealth though np guys!

Malix Farwin2/20/2015, 10:08:10 AM4 votes

Stealth doesnt look good in the LCS, lee sin does.

Fuaztin2/19/2015, 8:36:37 PM3 votes

You guys don't know anything about 'stealth'

HumanPerfect2/20/2015, 4:34:46 AM3 votes

Riot can't balance immobile burst mages (Mordekaiser, Veigar) Riot can't balance stealth. (Evelynn) Riot can't balance immobile ADCs who have utility (Ashe, Varus, Urgot)

Hell, at this point, I think the only type of champion that Riot deems "healthy" are ones with ultra mobility (gap closers, escapes, repositions). So screw it, let's strip away Evelynn's unique play style. Who liked feeling like they were playing Metal Gear Solid in League of Legends anyways? Let's just give in to our supreme overlord CertainT, let's take away her identity and give her an 800 range gap closer and escape, and hell, let's throw in a knock up while we're at it and call it a day, because screw it, why not?

Because, God forbid, we try to balance champions with truly unique play styles.

Matezoide2/20/2015, 2:20:20 AM3 votes

Eve has more counterplay than hyper mobile bullshit they keep creating.

Hell, every single champion in the game has more counterplay than Mobility. I find it hilarious how they keep champions weak because they dont like a certain mechanic.

KaisadiIIa2/20/2015, 8:50:24 PM2 votes

The problem is that stealth is not countered by dodging stuff and making cool plays, instead, stealth is countered by strategy and out-smarting the enemy. Stealth works fine in DotA2 (I don't know about HoN) because in DotA2 strategy is still a really important part of the game that matters as much as dodging stuff and making plays (hell, there are heroes that have powerful skills with long range and they are point and click, and nobody complains about that being overpowered). Meanwhile, RIOT is taking away all strategy from the game, making it a fighting game where only your skill matters in term of winning a game.

Xela Syab2/19/2015, 9:18:04 PM2 votes

I really believe that she needs passive lifesteal or spellvamp tacked to one of her abilities to even effecively jungle in the first place. she has no shielding/sustain or passive resistances to even jungle.

MarkedOfKane2/20/2015, 1:27:23 AM2 votes

So she has that ring around her which shows that she gets detected if too close to a champion.

What if the the detection ring was the full view range of a champion except it is in a cone where they are looking. Just tossing this out there. It would be a little more tactical to stalk or sneak up on someone but you could end up getting right up behind them.

Going to say again, just throwing out this suggestion.

UnknownMartian2/20/2015, 3:11:30 AM2 votes

Mind providing a quote? Some proof? You know... anything...

Downfall2/19/2015, 10:48:21 PM2 votes

But if you remove stealth i wont have my summoner 11 MonkeyKing anymore qq

Zarxis2/20/2015, 6:52:07 PM1 votes

I'd rather keep stealth, personally. Evelynn has no identity beyond stealth and killing, really. Just wait for her rework... If it ever gets here. Be glad she's still on Riot's radar. Yorick Shaco would require a lot of buffing in return for removing his short-duration stealth. Do you really want to see Shaco buffed? I'd rather keep him as the creepy, sneaky clown he currently is. Viable when played well. Wukong has no good escapes without his W, and it's an integral part of his character and viability. If he can't go invisibile, he can't set up his ultimate. If he can't stealth, he can't trick his opponents with his dummy clone and standing still. Twitch would be nothing without his stealth. He would be nothing more than a free kill for any mobile champion, unless all four of his teammates were high-CC tanks that could permanently keep enemies off of him. He might have great damage potential in his kit, but his stealth is what allows him to ever have the chance to deploy it.

If Riot can find a way to balance the Mandrake ward, we'll have our early-game counter to stealth. We already have mid and late-game counters: pink wards (including the yellow trinket upgrade) and the upgraded red trinket. If the new ward is brought into the game, Riot will have one less excuse for leaving any stealth champions in the dust— especially Eve, whose playstyle is so reliant on early, undetectable ganks.