Riot please nerf this champion, ive banned him for the past 300 games and i just stopped banning him one game and he got picked and completely 1v5'd the game and my team. I dont understand how a champion like this can be healthy for the game in any way. Please look at the lower elo games and make nerfs accordingly, the champ is out of control and has been all season.
PrismalDawn42 votesIdea: Jax can no longer auto attack during his E.
Warlord Rhinark6 votesIdea: Jax can no longer auto attack during his E.
His E could be a channeled ability, like they did with Rammus (bless his soul).
Meritas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yA5H7iUT,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-12-26T10:19:14.644+0000)
His E could be a channeled ability, like they did with Rammus (bless his soul).
How is Rammus's E a channeled ability?
Warlord Rhinark1 votesHow is Rammus's E a channeled ability?
Jax's E, not Rammus' E.
Rammus' Q is a channeled ability. That's what I meant.
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DuskDaUmbreon2 votesHuh. A late-game champion that's pretty good in mid-game should be weak early? What a strange concept.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesHuh. A late-game champion that's pretty good in mid-game should be weak early? What a strange concept.
Uhm, why is this so strange?
Why should a champion be good at every stage of the game?
1v9 shinyzE2 votesHe's already horrible early, almost any single champion can bully him out of lane pre-6
Limrick3 votesPoor thing, the mega scaling late game GOD has to not auto-win every lane for free now, what a travesty.
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Limrick1 votesWhen did you last play top lane lmao
Ragnaveil10 votesMaybe if, idk, Conqueror was changed to not be this true damage itemization nightmare, people might be able to do a thing or two to save themselves from champs like him and Irelia.
Mc Raton1 votesMaybe if, idk, Conqueror was changed to not be this true damage itemization nightmare, people might be able to do a thing or two to save themselves from champs like him and Irelia.
This. Without conqueror, 3 item nullified Jax existance and made it fun for the player against Jax. Ninja Tabi, Thormail and Adaptative helmet. You may ask why Adaptative? Think of Kog'Maw. Jax deal 50% magic damage and adaptative reduce by 20% magic damage used in the next 5 second. It basically counter his spell since he can spam them and his 3rd basic attack from his ultimate as it's considered a spell.. Conqueror removed the chance to counter Jax. It's only because of the runes.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesWhat is fair about that?
Jax has to invest WAY MORE gold into offensive items than ninja, thorn and helm cost. He has a bad early game so three items remove him from the game? Like what the fuck is this logic?
The lategame melee carry with shitty early game struggles his way into lategame with the most expensive build path so his "existence is nullified" by a tank? God these boards.
Mc Raton1 votesWhat is fair about that?
Jax has to invest WAY MORE gold into offensive items than ninja, thorn and helm cost. He has a bad early game so three items remove him from the game? Like what the fuck is this logic?
The lategame melee carry with shitty early game struggles his way into lategame with the most expensive build path so his "existence is nullified" by a tank? God these boards.
Rammus was made to counter auto attack heavy champion but with conqueror added he doesn't anymore. Conqueror is a bad runes overall and need to be removed.
Best Vi Earth8 votes"please look at lower elo" i mean you guys are down there because the lack of game knowledge. champions are the smallest reason why people are low elo.
I PT I1 votesPoor Yorick
TisBis7 votesDon't let Hash see this!
AirKingNeo6 votesPlease look at the lower elo games and make nerfs accordingly, the champ is out of control and has been all season.
The game shouldn't be balanced around low elo.
No Chat System6 votes" I don't know how to beat a champion so he is over powered "
As top mainly, I never ban Jax. When someone picks Jax I know exactly how his kit works and play effectively.
9 out of 10 times when I face Jax top, it's mid and bot who feed him, not top.
Ping MIA 9 times? Mid still dies. Ping danger along the entire river path letting them know he is coming? They die. I can't take it seriously when people say Jax is OP when there are so many worse things.
Early levels Jax is useless. Unless you're that idiot who sees him activate E and just keep attacking him. Just like the people who complain about Akali and then just stand afk in her shroud wondering why they died.
rayzo4 votesHonestly, it's not Jax. It's the runes. He should not be able to do so much true damage by simply right-clicking. Conqueror needs to change.
skulldeadboss3 votesFun fact is jax has been unchanged, nor buffs or nerfs for the past 2 years( only increase the range on w 1 year ago), and suddenly when they put conqueror, OH he is broken pls nerf ... People flamed me not too long ago for playing it cause it was considered a troll pick and auto lose top
Zeromatsu17 votesYour fun "fact" is wrong. I remember him getting plenty of buffs in a row, which made him already strong. Conqueror is just the tip of the iceberg.
Also 1 nerf just recently.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Jax/History
Base attack damage increased to 70 from 61.97
Runes reforged gave him too much base ad... He gets 1,4 attack speed because of his passive without building items. On top of that he gets the ad from conqueror. Armor got buffed, magic resist reduced but Jax deals too much magic damage, so he actually profits more than other bruisers from this change.
skulldeadboss2 votesYour fun "fact" is wrong. I remember him getting plenty of buffs in a row, which made him already strong. Conqueror is just the tip of the iceberg.
Also 1 nerf just recently.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Jax/History
Runes reforged gave him too much base ad... He gets 1,4 attack speed because of his ult without building items. On top of that he gets the ad from conqueror. Armor got buffed, magic resist reduced but Jax deals too much magic damage, so he actually profits more than other bruisers from this change.
if i am not wrong (maybe i am) those buffs were the general stat increase that every champion got when runes got updated.
The last buff he got was at 6.2 when they changed a bit his passive so he could stack up to 8 but lose the buff faster
Zeromatsu1 votesHe also got some base dmg changes to his abilities. (not much, but Jax has low cooldowns so it adds up and favors his burst)
You are right, that every champion got general stat increase, but not every champ got base ad changes (like Rumble and Singed). But that's not the point. The point is: (Almost) Every champion that got ad and armor, got the same amount of ad and armor (8 ad, 9 armor).
8 ad on some champions isn't much of a deal, but on champions like Tryndamere or Jax it means more. On Tryndamere (or Yasuo etc.) 8 ad means 16 dmg with crits and they build attack speed. Jax has auto hit resets and huge built in attack speed steroid. 8 Damage for each hit is a lot. Add the conqueror AD to this and you have an annoying champion to deal with.
Riot was lazy and they gave every champ the same amount because it's the easiest to do. Doesn't mean it is balanced.
Also: Champions can get indirect buffs from items or when their counters/the meta changes in their favor. Biggest change that affects him imo: Steraks giving bonus ad instead of base ad. All his abilities scale with bonus ad.
Terchio1 votesThat's not really a true buff, though. Basically all autoattacking champions got the same buff to imitate the AD boost from old Runes. The ones that didn't receive the same buff were either compensated differently (AP champions received HP instead of AP) or received less because they were perceived to be a problem heading into Runes Reforged.
Also, the Sterak's change made him potentially tankier for sure, but took a lot of damage away from his other core item 
. Jax works off of both Base AD and Bonus AD a lot, but mostly Base for damage, Bonus for the Armor bonus on Ultimate. Jax actually loses power on Leap Strike if an autoattack completes (with Trinity), and then loses damage on the followup spell that reactivates Trinity, at the gain of a little damage on Counter Strike and its monsterous cooldown. I'd call it a wash.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesSaying the steraks change was actually a buff is the biggest joke i've ever heard in my life.
He lost 120 dmg per trinity procc on average. So having 30 more dmg on Q or E makes up for it and is actually a buff 4Head. Only benefit is more armor on ult.
Zeromatsu1 votesYou can laugh all you want, but 30 extra armor in this meta for free is more worth than those 50 dmg he lost. He is dealing too much dmg anyway.
He lost 120 dmg per trinity procc and gained 120 dmg through Q and E buffs. Trinity has 1,5 seconds cooldown and Jax basically uses Q and W at the same time.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesOkay name noted, not worth responding to you ever again.
What a load of bullshit. He lost 120 dmg EVERY 1,5 seconds not 50 dmg once.
It's not for free, he pays 3200 gold
Zeromatsu1 votesevery 1,5 seconds really? You know for trinity he has to cast skills. His skills got dmg buffs. So when he uses his skills, he loses the trinity dmg but gains the skill dmg. This results in less than 120 dmg per procc lost. And as I said, Jax spams his Q and W basically at the same time, so he doesn't get to proc 2 trinity hits. If he does wait for the W to get the second trinity procc he loses on W dmg. Maybe with 40% cd reduction and the enemy standing still he get's the full dmg off from w and trinity at the same time. But that's just rarely the case.
And yes, it is free. Because he trades some dmg for armor. He might pay 3200 gold, but he would've paid it anyway (for your 120 extra dmg, for the shield and so on).
So in worst case he loses a little dmg, not the whole 120 dmg you make up.
Like I care if you respond, not like you add something to the discussion. Calling other people's viewpoint a joke makes your own post a joke. And this isn't even a case of "clearly a buff", he lost something and gained something else. And your numbers are just viewed in a vacuum.
AirKingNeo3 votesHe gets 1,4 attack speed because of his passive without building items.
after attacking 8 fucking times, which you have a lot of outplay potential there
Limrick2 votesHe can stack on the wave, and you can't stop him from doing it thanks to his E and his absurd burst damage with just Sheen.
AirKingNeo1 votesYou know that, if he's stacking on the wave, he's vulnerable to being attacked, right?
And if he uses his E, then he's wasting his E, right?
And that Sheen costs gold, right?
Limrick2 votesPress E Hit wave Press Q Press E again Press W Win trade for free
SilentBomber2 votesYour fun "fact" is wrong. I remember him getting plenty of buffs in a row, which made him already strong. Conqueror is just the tip of the iceberg.
Also 1 nerf just recently.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Jax/History
Runes reforged gave him too much base ad... He gets 1,4 attack speed because of his passive without building items. On top of that he gets the ad from conqueror. Armor got buffed, magic resist reduced but Jax deals too much magic damage, so he actually profits more than other bruisers from this change.
I would like to note that these "plenty of buffs" you are referring to were just base stats(plus damage on his Q+E) when the the new rune system was applied.The old rune system gave Jax as well as many champions BASE STATS unlike the new one.
So,Riot gave "plenty of buffs" not only to jax but to the entire champions pool.Also that was when all the fighters begun struggling and got left behind.Not only Jax.
Noone was complaining until now that people started shouting for the Conq key.Hence,all the cries about one of the first abusers of this key.Jax.
The thing about Jax that everyone is upset for ,is his scaling into the jungle.There,he has free time to farm and scale faster and harder than in top lane.Hence,his 50% WR at top lane and and 53% WR in jungle.
Nerfing his base stats will only put him in a tough spot at top lane and would struggle more against his counters.If i were to propose a nerf,that would be his Q Range,which is basically that same as FLASH RANGE.I would prefer a scaling ranged Q until the late levels so even the poor ADCs can be happy when the escape from Jax using their flash.That way Jax jungle would think twice before just leaping to an enemy.
Zeromatsu1 votesDidn't know that other champions got their abilities buffed like jax did. Singed got merely 9 armor and nothing else.
So again: He got 50 extra range on one of his abilities. He got extra dmg on Q He got extra dmg on E He got life regen buff. (k this one isn't huge, but it's a buff)
and on top of it he got the base stat adjustments like every other champion. But those base stat adjustments favor jax more than others.
And because he is so strong he even got dmg nerf on his ult just recently. But that doesn't really fix his problem. He is way too tanky, mobile and bursty all at once.
SilentBomber1 votesThe buffs you mentioned,are the buffs I MENTIONED in my post(read it again).Also,all these buffs were AFTER the new rune new system was reforged.
Jax was indeed favored with these buffs as you mentioned for the single reason he needed them.However,during that period Jax had 48%-49% WR as he was really struggling and people almost never even mentioned this Champion.A champion with low WR is good for them you see.So when we want to discuss about nerfs and buffs and who got favoured by them one year ago,it would be also nice to give out all the information needed.
Players need to understand that Jax has a really good synergy with the Conq key and Essence Reaver as Jax users spam it a lot.Buffing or nerfing base damages is not the answer,nore preventing Jax from auto-attacking when his E is up as a certain boards member mentioned.
I proposed one nerf in order to be fair.There are more tanky,more bursty and more mobile champions than Jax.
P.s.Changes on ER and Conq key boosted his abilities.Not his W + 50 range or from 1 year ago.
P.s.2 His extra armor + MR from his active ultimate has been a thing for years and suddenly players hate it now i this season?Obviously there is something wrong!
SoToxicImBanned3 votesI dont understand just ban him in your ranked games? why make such a deal out of it. Literally every champ i see nowadays that seems good others literally cry over that they are broken. Irelia, yasuo, jax, zed etc, like wtf.
Festing3 votesI love how you're all complaining about Jax when there's like 20+ champs that are way more broken than he is. More than half of the roster is currently unbalanced/op but here you honestly are typing detailed messages about Jax being broken lmfao. Jax honestly sucks dick and I think I've seen 1 good jax out of 20 today.
BoilTheOil2 votesWatch out hashinshin will get angry
AggressiveWolf4 votesIm pretty sure even Hash has said recently that Jax is a bit too strong ATM
wolvius1 votesIm pretty sure even Hash has said recently that Jax is a bit too strong ATM
https://youtu.be/YqNctDLqcMo @ about 1.10 (damn YouTube shitty mobile version) I think this is what you were on about.
And people say he's talking bullshit all the time, he's only biased 80% of the time and some of his "fixes" would work better than the balance teams
BestPudgeNA1 voteshttps://youtu.be/YqNctDLqcMo @ about 1.10 (damn YouTube shitty mobile version) I think this is what you were on about.
And people say he's talking bullshit all the time, he's only biased 80% of the time and some of his "fixes" would work better than the balance teams
"If you buff Jax it's actually a nerf" Hashinshin 2018
3TWarrior2 voteshow about nerfing runes reforged, the thing which broke him in the first place? 20% of damage converted to true damage on a champion whose primary purpose is to do and take damage as quickly as possible...
ExpStealer1 votesThat's just part of the problem. But Jax himself is a much bigger part. He has 2 sources of on-hit damage and with Rageblade he's doubling down on them. To that add his dodge and R active and he's not only doing ADC levels of mixed sustained damage, he is also insanely hard to deal with because of his added durability.
Mimr1 votesThat's just part of the problem. But Jax himself is a much bigger part. He has 2 sources of on-hit damage and with Rageblade he's doubling down on them. To that add his dodge and R active and he's not only doing ADC levels of mixed sustained damage, he is also insanely hard to deal with because of his added durability.
Erm, Jax only has one source of on-hit damage that interacts with Rageblade (R passive).
woody258375 votesThat's just part of the problem. But Jax himself is a much bigger part. He has 2 sources of on-hit damage and with Rageblade he's doubling down on them. To that add his dodge and R active and he's not only doing ADC levels of mixed sustained damage, he is also insanely hard to deal with because of his added durability.
LMAO good jax never build rageblade dude just shut up at this point you obviously never play jax in high elo
OMGSoAnnoying1 votesOr even low elo... most I know get triforce titanic then build tank.
3TWarrior1 votesreally? he was fine for 4 years until runes reforged introduced stupid amounts of damage into the game and true damage, which is uncounterable
jax himself is: low range, item dependent, his gameplay is transparent/telegraphed , his builds do not do much to towers until he gets his items, he is entirely auto attack reliant, he has little to no map pressure compared to other melees
what brought him up this season? he now can be a threat with fewer items and he shuts down auto-attack based champions who thrive in ANY meta
it's conquerer, not jax
ValiantKiller2 votes
got destroyed cause low elo couldn't handle him, yet jax run free
