Please Bring old Fiora Back.

Avijit Kumar··1 votes·2,966 views
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/UAWENqZ9-rip-fiora-not-fun-anymore

Read The Link First Please then to this :)

The new fiora is good as a fighter and is bit tanky, i can give her a bit credit on being an assassin but she is no where near as good as she was before. I already started a discussion and made some points i have shared the link to that.

  1. The new champ is good on her own as a new champion.
  2. Good in 5v5 queue.
  3. Bad in Solo queue, better not good enough compared to before.

Suggestions from me

  1. Riot kindly re think and if you cannot replace the current update at least bring her old splash art as a skin for people who loved it.
  2. Introduce a new champ with old fiora's skill set, maybe her clone, her under study, her sister enough to copy and learn her style.
  3. Finally accept that this rework of fiora was a disaster but i can agree that it is with a few silver linings, but mostly was not needed.

28 Comments

SoundChaosDebug4 votes

How to fiora with the old kit

Step 1 Hydra

Step 2 Ultimate

Step 3 ????

Step 4 Profit

Avijit Kumar1 votes
  1. Get timat first if ahead, item 1053 if behind then build hydra.
  2. Wait till level six to see if you can kill you opponent, if you cannot then depending upon the enemy you are facing get armor penetration item 3142 if tanky opponent and hence forth.
  3. the old fiora dominated from start to mid game if you were ahead but tend to fall off late game due to people building armor and health also the team fights but till then the tone of the game had been decided.
  4. Profit yes i agree :)
Avijit Kumar1 votes

J. Jonah Jameson meme Lmao epic!

Weiner the Pooh3 votes

C'mon man, posts like this are pointless, it's clear there not bringing back old Fiora.

Avijit Kumar1 votes

I know it's hopeless, but i feel maybe there is a moderator who would read this and see the point i'm trying to make that there are many out there who feel the same way i do and would convey the message to riot designers and fix the situation.

HaiLnKill2 votes

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Avijit Kumar1 votes

the new one as you say is a NEW PLAYER completely new and she is broken to be honest but that's what the point is she i completely different and yes the argument you are saying that press R to win is as far from truth as it can be because ( as i said in my previous post for which i have shared the link ) firstly this is the first point people make and i said -

  1. her R was point and click no skills used and now you have to work at least ans- garen's R is same point and boom, we have many players who have no skill work involved just click and voila so why should fiora's ult suffer.
  2. her r was un avoidable ans- just get a zonya's and see how useless that becomes so no argument there.

also we have yasuo and vi with similar ult why should fiora suffer.

HaiLnKill

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Avijit Kumar1 votes

Well as VasilisGreen pointed out tha the old fiora was rather easy to shut down because of her counter picks available and had to stay back after she fell back on csing or died a few times, so your snowballing potential with fiora was dependent on how well you played her what masteries you took and your runes along with your playing style.

I have been killed 3 times in a row with a Garen i really sucked that game i still remember and i tried my best though! I have been smashed with Jax several times in SoloQ. As you see none of the above two champions build item 3157 but bested me when i was playing fiora seriously.

I have many other examples i had a Gnar one time who build item 3022 as first item against me and dude he just smacked me all around he just kept kiting me and was awesome at controlling his transformation and i thought wow i'm bad but hen he bested whole of our team, his end score was 17/0/something.

so you see it's not just about the ult if you didn't Cs'd and are behind in lane till level six then your ult would not have scaled and the opponent would have more items than you and probably would have killed you you 1 or 2 times too so in those situations even if i ulted my opponent 95 percent of the time i could not finish him off with with my whole combo of QEWQR, ignite!

Baseball3b1 votes

the whole issue with the old fiora--as much as I loved her, was that she was completely feast or famine. She either got extremely fed and dominated the game, or she went even/fell behind and was useless.

stealthfox942 votes

Old Fiora was a garbage design. Plain and simple.

Avijit Kumar1 votes

Well you are entitled to your opinion! If you didn't liked her i have no problem but at least state your reason more descriptively.

VasilisGreen1 votes

Dude, what the hell are you smoking? Build fiora offensive and you can delete even an Alistar while HIS ULT IS ACTIVE!!! are you serious right now? The old fiora would die to a Garen with a thornmail while she was mid ult, now she totaly shreds garen. Darius can't pull you anymore and you can block his bullshit ult. The old fiora is nowhere near the new fiora... I don't know what's wrong with you but you have to find a way to solve it...

Avijit Kumar1 votes

As i said the new fiora is good i never went against that, but in solo queue she is dependent on her team mates more for the ult to work for sure during team fights and now she is less of assassin, read my first post the link is shared :)

  1. Also her old ult could be used as an escape mechanism now people see me ulting and they flash or run.
  2. With her old ult which was nerfed by the way so you would do reduced damage to same enemy, it was easy to fend off ganks in top lane even turn around the enemy gank in your favor.

Hence i'm just asking riot to consider the thought of a player with similar kit, if yasuo can ult 5 people and vi can dash and damage why only fiora has to be punished.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

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As i said the new fiora is good i never went against that, but in solo queue she is dependent on her team mates more for the ult to work for sure during team fights and now she is less of assassin, read my first post the link is shared :)

  1. Also her old ult could be used as an escape mechanism now people see me ulting and they flash or run.
  2. With her old ult which was nerfed by the way so you would do reduced damage to same enemy, it was easy to fend off ganks in top lane even turn around the enemy gank in your favor.

Hence i'm just asking riot to consider the thought of a player with similar kit, if yasuo can ult 5 people and vi can dash and damage why only fiora has to be punished.

Have you even played as her? Because I can say-- for a fact that her new passive q and w are 3 of the of the most fun and thematically satisfying abilities in the game. Allow me to explain. Passive: Fiora's training allows her to tell her where her opponents are weak or vulnerable. Now idk about you but this just sounds awesome, in game it gives you something more to do and it doesn't really grow stale-- something that makes this champ even better. Q: it's free cast, you can make flashy plays, you can outplay your opponent and feel satisfied with it, you can even hit invis units with it, and you can escape bad situations. W: you can block bards ult, think about it if not from gameplay atleast from a thematic view, a standard human avoids celestial intervention. Doesn't that just sound cool? And everything ranging from aa's to summoner spells, u can block it, seems like quite the step up from only blocking one aa if you ask me.

So,if you haven't tried new Fiora yeti encourage you too, she's a lot of fun and I can almost garuntee you'll enjoy it. But... I understand why you would be hesitant to, when the rework happened I was annoyed and bumned out too, she was my most played champ and I can say the rework is worth playing.

Also she is not dependent on her team, she is very capable on her own. It's just harder to dive 1v5 and get atleast two kills off of them now.

Avijit Kumar1 votes

I have 122k champion points with her before the rework so yeah i preferred the old fiora no hiding that fact :) I also have played with the new fiora i gave her a try because i had other skins in which she looked like herself, i though to myself lets think of this way she got old maybe and she is having a little bit less power and i should stay loyal and play her no matter what but if you read the first post for which i shared the link i stated in point four that

  1. whenever i press r in solo Queue the person opposite me flashes or runs and my r is wasted, so the r is pretty much useless for an assassin like her ( for people arguing this point here's my counter just give any other assassin a R which heals and you have to run about to get done, they would also lose their core like fiora did.

i agree its very hard to dive 1 vs 5 even with old fiora i died 90 percent of times i did, the only success i had was when i had the element of surprise.

but as i stated in my previous post for which i have shared the link i said

the old fiora people would argue was op, well she had her positives and negatives, she had no escape, no cc, even morgana could hold her and boom she's dead a little cc on her during team fight and she's dead. but that's what fun was an assassin get in kill your target and get out. she is not that anymore.

I liked her because she was a melee ADC, an assassin get in kill and get out!

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Avijit Kumar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xzAM1Y56,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-16T11:54:41.879+0000)

I have 122k champion points with her before the rework so yeah i preferred the old fiora no hiding that fact :) I also have played with the new fiora i gave her a try because i had other skins in which she looked like herself, i though to myself lets think of this way she got old maybe and she is having a little bit less power and i should stay loyal and play her no matter what but if you read the first post for which i shared the link i stated in point four that

  1. whenever i press r in solo Queue the person opposite me flashes or runs and my r is wasted, so the r is pretty much useless for an assassin like her ( for people arguing this point here's my counter just give any other assassin a R which heals and you have to run about to get done, they would also lose their core like fiora did.

i agree its very hard to dive 1 vs 5 even with old fiora i died 90 percent of times i did, the only success i had was when i had the element of surprise.

but as i stated in my previous post for which i have shared the link i said

the old fiora people would argue was op, well she had her positives and negatives, she had no escape, no cc, even morgana could hold her and boom she's dead a little cc on her during team fight and she's dead. but that's what fun was an assassin get in kill your target and get out. she is not that anymore.

I liked her because she was a melee ADC, an assassin get in kill and get out!

I too had over 100k mastery on old Fiora and think new is as--if not more potent than old, but if you won't believe me than I understand and shall stop trying to get thru to you.

Avijit Kumar1 votes

Well if you read the whole discussion you would see that i agree with you that new fiora is potent and is good for the team but she does gives the same experience let me explain it this way ---->

  1. A new japanese car would give more mileage and is good looking spacious and is good for the air around us and for the family but it cannot and never replace the feeling of driving a true muscle car the feeling you get when you get behind it's wheel you actually have fun!

  2. Now old fiora was the same as a muscle car to me full of raw power! but she didn't created pollution and was economical too when played correctly in good hands :)

I hope you read the rest of the discussion to see my point of view and see that i agree with yours too!

VasilisGreen1 votes

Theold fiora could be shut down in lane much easier than the new. That was her main problem, especialy in soloQ. She had many counterpicks and was very snowball dependant. With the new, even if you go even with your opponent or even lose, you are still usefull in a teamfight. The old fiora couldn't do that. You could go Garen with offensiverunes and masteries and a thornmail first item and completely shut down fiora. Now that's not an option. Everytime a fiora carried a game it was because her lane opponent made mistakes and fed her but if the enemy comp had a lot of cc that could be chained together, even when fed, she was shut down in the first teamfight. Now, she can be relevant even if she falls behind. She is not punished in anyway, instead, she is much better now.

Avijit Kumar1 votes

Old fiora's main counter was Jax apart from a skilled jax i could mostly outwit anyone even a counter pick like Malphite or Pantheon and ----->

  1. Yes she was dependent on snowballing early to get advantage and if you didn't did well you mostly had to stay back in team fights as you could only do the job of cleaning up after the fight like a MasterYi who is behind on farm and there are many others!! That was the main point. Old Fiora was a melee ADC, assassin style, high risk high reward player and i loved that :)

  2. Now in a baseball, Tennis, Football. Soccer, Cricket a team loses and another team wins you cannot say a particular team won because the other didn't played well! that's absurd you are taking away the credit from the winning team for their practice their focus and knowledge of the game. Every player has weakness and yes i have pointed out many times ------> "she had her positives and negatives, she had no escape, no cc, even morgana could hold her and boom she's dead a little cc on her during team fight and she's dead. but that's what fun was an assassin get in kill your target and get out. she is not that anymore."

  3. the New Fiora is good for the team and even if you loose the lane you can still be useful in team fights all this is true i agree but i hope you see my point of view too i was an adc in beginning but i was not a pro at Csing so i found a melee ADC champ who had could farm well and was a assassin plus fighter with a cool ultimate and steroid E, Engaging Q with auto lock ( since i'm not from NA ping is near 300+ on good days on the NA server so it's hard to play skill shot based champions and beat platinum or diamond level players with the ping i get ) and W which gave bonus AD and defence against auto attacks!

Overall I'm saying is new is good but she is not similar to what we had before if Riot is gonna change that completely at least give me some ther options like her and trust me i've played with every other there are similar champions but none come close to the original. It mostly depends upon the designers i guess they give the game it's direction the old one created a champ like MasterYi ( read this http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1871101 ) phreak then gave her counter and guess what he is the one who brought the curtain on her this time guess he didn't liked her since beginning.

Now the new champs Kinder has a ultimate that ( lamo ) doesnt lets people die i mean it's an ADC jungler which has scaling AD but has a troll ult like the new Fiora and Bard guess 3 is a crowd huh but guess what more would be coming!

I now my statements here probably won't matter much but hey i devoted endless hours to this game and suddenly a champion i loved is no more and i can't seem to find a similar champion with same rewarding play style and satisfaction :( so i started supporting at the moment with sona she is fun and with my high ping i can play on equal footing with high elo players.

All i want is if the old fiora isn't going to come back which i know would not at least Riot should consider my position and create another melee ADC champion who is assassin type and high risk high reward play style (aggressive) and does not has a trolling ult give her/him damage not heal (it's utility and is janna or sona's work not a melee ADC'S) and consider millions of players who play from another continent on NA server with high ping having a champion like old fiora which was simple to operate under such circumstances.

VasilisGreen1 votes

You want another melee ADC assassin type champion? Play yasuo... Yasuo is exactly that. Fiora was meant to be a fighter and her old kit was not that. Now with the rework she is what she should be. Also, if you build her full offence, you can delete even an alistar when his ult is on.... Get 520+ AD and each vital does more than 25% max hp true damage... I have done it... She is a bit harder to build that much damage because she takes a bit more skill to play, but, watching her fight is just a spectacle. Try my build if you want, it is item 3071 , item 3035 , item 3074 , item 3508 , item 1306 and item 3031 or item 3072 depending your needs for lifesteal. My runes are kind of basic, Armor pen marks, AD/lvl quints, Armor/lvl seals, 3 cdr/lvl glyphs and 5 mr/lvl glyphs. 21/9/0 masteries with all the ad and pen you can get plus the 5% cdr and blade and spell weaving for the bonuses because you always use your spells and those masteries are good for that kind of dueling. That build is for the games that you have already pulled ahead and you don't need much defence. As a defensive item i recommend item 3139 both for the mr and the active and for the high amount of AD. With that setup you have 40% cdr @lvl18, an absurd amount of AD, your passive really hurts, very high mobility due to the swiftness boots and the weaker slows on you and a lot of armor pen. The IE is a very good choice if you don't need much lifesteal because it synergizes beautifully with your E, making that crit really painful for your target. So, late game you end up becoming a beast that deletes anyone you come across. Also, the ult scales with your AD so the more your AD, the stronger the heal. If they have a lot of lockdown cc, i suggest getting a Qss asap and making the mercurial instead of the IE or BT. All three of them give the same amount of AD so you won't lose any offensive power while you instead become a lot harder to lock down. Personaly i always go for the mercurial. Also, In lane, depending on your opponent, you should build first either the cleaver or the hydra but in any case those 2 should be your first items. If you think about it, you will understand how strong you are in the late game. Also, If you lane against a Darius, i recommend you go for a cleaver and then a Qss.... That Qss is the worst counter for him because all the power in Darius lies in his passive... Deny his passive, deny his power.

Try it and let me know what you think.

EDIT: They must have nerfed her because now her passive scales with her bonus AD instead of her Total AD, so the numbers are a bit off... So, instead of 25% max HP true damage, you should do about 20% max HP true damage with the build i described. Which is still 80% of the target's HP in true damage if you hit all four vitals. Any squishy will die with 2 hits on a vital while everyone else will die just by hitting all of their vitals, no matter how tanky they are. your AAs combined with the true damage is enough to kill any target regardless of their defences.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Old Fiora could score a kill lvl 1 or 2 with just her bonus AD from the passive. Lvl 6 was always a kill with combo + ignite.

Avijit Kumar1 votes

i agree with 1st point of yours that with right mastery and runes you could get a kill early with bonus ad and ignite, but not with second because if you were behind in farm or were getting ganked or were just being outplayed you can never assure a kill at level 6. trust me i have played straight 200 matches with her so i had every possible opponent against her. thank you for your views though

Miraweave1 votes

OP downvoted themselves.

Avijit Kumar1 votes

LOL!

Baseball3b1 votes

For the most part, I love her new rework. It still feels like her, but without the BS ult(as much fun as it was to dive someone under turret without taking damage with it). Her passive could use tweaking and she could use some help in teamfights, but overall she's much better now imo.

The VU though, I agree was unnecessary

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