When to pick Sejuani over Nunu and vice versa?

VyF1qSsX7g·Jul 5, 2019·1 votes·1,796 views

I play Nunu but I would like to add Sejuani to my pool. Before I learn the champ I need to know if it really adds anything since I am already playing Nunu.

5 Comments

TormentulaJul 5, 20194 votes

#Nunu

Pros:

Superior Objective Control
Better pre-6 ganks due to his snowball potential lane ganks, and his E slow + root
Better counter jungle potential
more sustain in teamfights
Isn't comp reliant

Cons:

easily countered by high mobility targets
Struggles against hard CC comps
ultimate can be dodged very easily and be almost non-existant
Sucks when behind since majority of his impact comes from early game dominance setting the opponent so behind they can't kill him later.

#Sej

Pros:

Better front line
Better late game engage tool
Better post-6 ganks due to R
way harder to kill due to passive
Isn't affected much by CC and would rather facetank it for the team

Cons:

Way more comp reliant due to 4 hit melee mechanic
Ganks are weaker early since her only gapcloser is Q and she needs to land 2 W procs and 2 autos to get a very short root.
Lane ganks aren't as effective unless they're from brush
More prone to being counter jungled, especially vertical jungled since her clears aren't that fast and she can't really punish the enemy for doing cross map clears.

Pick nunu when you want to be more snowbally (heh) and aggressive while being a tank, pick sej if you're playing primarily for late game team fights and peeling your team.

KazekibaJul 5, 20191 votes

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#Nunu

Pros:

Superior Objective Control

Better pre-6 ganks due to his snowball potential lane ganks, and his E slow + root

Better counter jungle potential

more sustain in teamfights

Isn't comp reliant

Cons:

easily countered by high mobility targets

Struggles against hard CC comps

ultimate can be dodged very easily and be almost non-existant

Sucks when behind since majority of his impact comes from early game dominance setting the opponent so behind they can't kill him later.

#Sej

Pros:

Better front line

Better late game engage tool

Better post-6 ganks due to R

way harder to kill due to passive

Isn't affected much by CC and would rather facetank it for the team

Cons:

Way more comp reliant due to 4 hit melee mechanic

Ganks are weaker early since her only gapcloser is Q and she needs to land 2 W procs and 2 autos to get a very short root.

Lane ganks aren't as effective unless they're from brush

More prone to being counter jungled, especially vertical jungled since her clears aren't that fast and she can't really punish the enemy for doing cross map clears.

Pick nunu when you want to be more snowbally (heh) and aggressive while being a tank, pick sej if you're playing primarily for late game team fights and peeling your team.

I thought Seju passive was gutted. Am I playing her wrong because last game i think i got like 45 armor out of it lategame.

TormentulaJul 6, 20191 votes

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I thought Seju passive was gutted. Am I playing her wrong because last game i think i got like 45 armor out of it lategame.

It gives 20 base resistances + 25% of respective bonus resistance. You'd need 100 bonus armor to total 45 from the passive.

Keep in mind at 100 armor you take 50% reduced physical damage, with passive you're adding an additional 145 which is 59% damage reduction, an additional 9% damage reduction for your first 3 seconds in combat.

If you take 700 non-true damage with 145 resistance, in total you'd only take 287 damage, with the passive being 63 less damage from the bonus 9%. Its not necessarily playing her wrong since there's little to micro manage other than staying out of combat to regain the passive, its more so understanding what those numbers actually mean to understand the importance of those values. While sej may take 63 less damage from physical hits once she has 100 Bonus Armor, nunu is still getting hit for that 63 per hit at 100 Bonus armor, and sej still scales in armor higher than that on top of the magic resistance also being there to tank more mixed damage.

You can also compared numbers like this; say its a crit for 700 damage from an ADC:

3 autos vs. 145 armor sej (100 armor + passive) = 861 total damage to sej

3 autos vs. 100 armor nunu = 1050 total damage to nunu

Sej's passive makes her take 189 less damage from 3 autos compared to nunu, and that number looks even bigger when you factor in even more autos (such as 5, or 8).

Also none of this is factoring in their base armor or tabi's effect either.