Idea for balancing Vayne's W.

Karloff··3 votes·430 views

Its actually pretty simple. Make it an active. I imagine something like making it a 10 second duration ability with a cooldown on 20 seconds, max level.

Some people might say that it wont change anything because all she needs, is 10 seconds to demolish a team. To that i will say this change will make people able to itemize against her since it takes 3 auto attacks to proc it. Something like a Randuins omen would make her alot weaker since the auto attack slow would be strong enough to make it proc less often, and then neglect her physical damage. And then she would have to wait 10 seconds before activating it again.

Also after this change exhaust would reck her for the same reasons. She wouldnt be able to just kite the exhaust duration out because there would be a cooldown on it.

Second. In laning phase she would also recieve a slight nerf, since she would have to use actual mana to trade like any other normal champion.

Im sure the idea isnt perfect and there might be better one's . But i dont think this should be a forum for shutting eachothers ideas down but morea forum where we can discuss stuff and inspire eachother and the riot devs to make the game more balanced. :)

13 Comments

ZephyrDrake1 votes

making it an active would also mean making it that much more powerful of a skill, do you want Vayne to have a higher %true damage? You want people to pretty much get a bunch of AS with maybe some CDR on her just so she can have the true damage completely destroy everyone?

Karloff1 votes

No that wasnt the idea. It was meant as a direct nerf to the ability in order to make it balanced, because right now it is really strong or even very overpowered. :D

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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No that wasnt the idea. It was meant as a direct nerf to the ability in order to make it balanced, because right now it is really strong or even very overpowered. :D

that's not how making something go from a passive ability to an active ability works. Build a goddamn Frozen Heart, or a Thornmail or a Randuins do not try to 1v1 her that's something she wants you to do. Take advantage of her short range and focus her in teamfights. Do not let her land 3 autos on you. POSITION YOURSELF BETTER

Karloff1 votes

Have you ever tried to play a bruiser or a tank. Sometimes you have to be in the frontline in those roles, and then you have to either go for her, or protect your own carries. Its not that simple as position yourself better...

Thats the same as saying lets buff Nasus Q so he get 10 stacks per unit kill and when people complain you say: "buy armor, dont fight him and position yourself better".

There has to be other counterplay than just staying away from a champion because he/she is so strong.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Have you ever tried to play a bruiser or a tank. Sometimes you have to be in the frontline in those roles, and then you have to either go for her, or protect your own carries. Its not that simple as position yourself better...

Thats the same as saying lets buff Nasus Q so he get 10 stacks per unit kill and when people complain you say: "buy armor, dont fight him and position yourself better".

There has to be other counterplay than just staying away from a champion because he/she is so strong.

She is meant to destroy tanks. Why are you so far ahead of your team that she can destroy you that fast before they can get to you? that's not Vayne's fault, it's yours for bad positioning and not coordinating with your team. Why are you a tank/bruiser without at least one of these items when fighting aaginst a Vayne? item 3143 item 3110 item 3075 they help a lot and it's poor item building on your part if you don't build these items. She is great at 1v1s so unless you are someone who is equally as great in 1v1s you shouldn't try to 1v1 her unless you get the jump on her and manage to either 1 shot her or take a huge chunk of her HP.

Nasus's Q is already an active skill so it's not the same, not even remotely close. It is just as simple as positioning yourself better, knowing what to build, when AND how to engage and how to focus the right targets. You are nothing more than someone who gets caught out of position, does a terrible mistake or does not have any idea what to build against certain champion then gets killed and then whines about a champion being "unfair"

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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making it an active would also mean making it that much more powerful of a skill, do you want Vayne to have a higher %true damage? You want people to pretty much get a bunch of AS with maybe some CDR on her just so she can have the true damage completely destroy everyone?

he is asking for the spell to remain the same but as an active, not increasing anything

Karloff1 votes

exactly :)

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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he is asking for the spell to remain the same but as an active, not increasing anything

that's not how changing an ability from a passive to an active works

Karloff1 votes

Dude dont be dumb now. What you are talking about is a tweak or a change. What i am talking about is a direct nerf. Making an ability worse because it is too strong. Im not talking about tweaking vayne, i am talking about making her more balanced through a nerf to an ability. :)

Purple Death1 votes

Honestly she is fine right now because you don't build over 2 attack speed on her so you only get maybe 6-10 procs in an entire teamfight depending on the length of said fight. It procs every 3 autos with 2 atk speed that's 1.5 seconds roughly which sounds like a lot but onto vayne if you build that much attack speed the only thing doing damage is the w proc and that is not an effective way to build vayne imo.

Karloff1 votes

Yea thats a fair opinion to have and maybe a pretty good point. I just think that with a BoTRK, PD and an IE she is a little bit too strong. I mean she does a ton of physical damage with crits and so on, and if you choose to build against her, she will just reck you with her W.

To me it feels like she really quick get too much attack speed and suddenly the spell becomes too much..

Thats just my opinion tho and i am glad to hear yours aswell :)

Purple Death1 votes

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Yea thats a fair opinion to have and maybe a pretty good point. I just think that with a BoTRK, PD and an IE she is a little bit too strong. I mean she does a ton of physical damage with crits and so on, and if you choose to build against her, she will just reck you with her W.

To me it feels like she really quick get too much attack speed and suddenly the spell becomes too much..

Thats just my opinion tho and i am glad to hear yours aswell :)

She only seems strong cuz of the botrk buffs awhile back, she is maybe too reliant on w to do her damage though and since it is true damage some vaynes may even skip lw 3rd item and get a infinity right away. So maybe changing her w to magic damage but buffing it a bit to compensate would be justifiable.

YossarianSensei1 votes

Silver Bolts is not OP

Unless you have like 300 armor Silver Bolts only makes up a small percentage of Vayne's DPS, no more than a normal ADC's ability would add.

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