Damage is too high. Damage items are too strong.

TrollsShouldDie·2/24/2019, 8:49:49 AM·65 votes·17,761 views

Playing Rammus built full tank, I'm getting melted in seconds because of items like item 3153 item 3147 item 3095 item 3161 item 3124 .

I can't tank at all. The damage is absurd. Even in defensive ball curl I'm getting blown up in seconds.

Nerf damage. Nerf these items. Nerf base damage of champions, especially top laners. Make armor and magic resist more meaningful.

86 Comments

Solo Q Memes2/24/2019, 11:26:28 AM26 votes

item 3147 is an assassin item . Literally countered by tanks and heavy defense. Your real problem is item 3153 and item 3124 which don't leave any room for counter play. you can build as much defense as you want against those items and you still get rekt, especially by the champions that use those items.

item 3095 is trash now.

item 3161 is busted on some champions, like Riven

DislocatedSquids2/24/2019, 8:59:11 AM18 votes

Riot doesn't listen because they want the game to be fast-paced and brain dead. There's also a "stop the damage is too high circle jerk" circle jerk out there that are in denial of the ridiculous damage to defense ratio, so watch out!

The thigh guy2/24/2019, 9:06:08 AM15 votes

Stormrazor is trash tier now. Just a heads up. But the others I agree with.

SiG DxD2/24/2019, 1:44:20 PM9 votes

real problem Vayne W+ item 3124 item 3149

General Esdeath 2/25/2019, 5:51:26 AM7 votes

item 3153 item 3124

Aren't these items MEANT to shred tanks? [slayer-jinx-unamused]

DuskDaUmbreon2/24/2019, 10:00:48 AM6 votes

Link to the game in question? I can't find any games on your profile for the past 40+ days

BlueSmurf20182/24/2019, 5:02:42 PM4 votes

what? Assasins get assinated by rammus. Rammus fucking hurts, and all he builds is full tank and thornmail. Yi can only fight rammus with full conquerer, full rageblade, and a full anti-tank build of: item 1419 item 3153 item 3812, etc. I hope you realize how flawed this post is, and why its not going to go anywhere.

I mean, i guess conquerer rengar can take out rammus with oh you know.. FULL ARMOR PEN BUILD

P.S Just incase you forgot how rageblade synergizes with those, it procs on-hit effects twice (well idk if it synergizes with deaths dance but..) such as bloodrazor doing 8% max health damage instead of 4%. Blade of the ruined king doing 16% current hp instead of 8%. this is legit why Yi was, and now is again, broken S teir

JeaneGreene2/24/2019, 4:28:21 PM4 votes

Ah you see.... the true counter to damage is full AP Nuke Rammus

Rifter342/24/2019, 9:33:41 PM3 votes

THE DAMAGE IS JUST DISGUSTING THIS SEASON!!! FIX THIS GAME RIOT OR LOSE YOUR PLAYERBASE!!! SICK OF THE HIGH DAMAGE + RUNES FORGED BS + SPAMMING ABILITIES TO WIN BS... This game just sucks!!!!!!!!!!

TheSingularity2/25/2019, 12:30:19 AM3 votes

Their items have been nerfed to the ground

Lost 200 when item 3194 replaced item 3102. Gap shrunk to 150. item 3742 lost 175 hp item 1401 item 1413 10% bonus health item 3190 400 HP item 3143 100 HP item 3800 250 HP item 3065 50 HP item 3068 75 HP item 3083 200 HP

Tanks have lost a horrifying 1400 HP. So that's why I can't get 6k hp anymore...

MR and armour bonus round! armour=20 item 3075 + 30 item 3143 + 5 item 3025 +20 item 3026 +20 removal of ancient golem = 95 armor lost MR=15 item 3102 + 15 item 3065 + 45item 3026 =75 magic resist lost

VvVVvV2/25/2019, 1:48:00 AM3 votes

Only one I hate really is item 3147 ....champs that can use this item are so broken with it. You got Rengar and Zed hoping on you with instant kills. Like people should not be dying in less than 1 and half seconds. Like think about it. Full health. Count in your head...one....two.....before you get to two you are dead...makes no sense. You literally dont even have time to react.

Crescent Dusk2/26/2019, 5:46:33 AM2 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKdX7aB3TRk

Look at that 8 year old Talon video. A full Talon combo was at best doing 1/3 of a mage's health. Assassins didn't need to 2-3 shot targets because they themselves were never in danger of being blown up in a matter of seconds if they didn't kill the enemy ADC first.

The damage creep in this game is insane.

Now in this game, a single bad trade means death or being put so low in health that lane is over if a jungler doesn't land a successful gank on you.

People complain about CC tanks because they don't understand the symptoms of power creep.

Tanks are a problem not because their tankiness means they never die, but because their never dying means ADC'S blow everything up.

If there was a global damage nerf where EVERYONE was doing considerably less damage, tanks living forever would hardly be an issue because the tanks themselves wouldn't be killing people in 5-7 seconds (and assassins/mages/ADC's in less than 3 seconds).

The solution isn't to buff tank items or nerf damage items. It's to nerf base values, period, and increase base defense on every champion so that the game gets back to needing multiple trades to secure a kill in lane instead of just 1 or two.

Póppy Chulo2/24/2019, 9:53:49 PM2 votes

Why cant they just remove ghost hit from item 3124 and make it an actually good hybrid item for hybrid champs? And not a good item for abusers of onhit passives?

Beerstein2/24/2019, 9:56:05 PM2 votes

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Playing Rammus built full tank, I'm getting melted in seconds because of items like item 3153 item 3147 item 3095 item 3161 item 3124 .

I can't tank at all. The damage is absurd. Even in defensive ball curl I'm getting blown up in seconds.

Nerf damage. Nerf these items. Nerf base damage of champions, especially top laners. Make armor and magic resist more meaningful.

I have a replay of myself as a 100% build amumu full tank vs a zed not full build but with mass penetration items, I did almost 0 damage to him (ult included) and he melted me within a few seconds while missing a bunch of his abilities.

https://gfycat.com/CloudyMeaslyGalago

I like to always provide clear scenarios to back it up. In this case, it isn't that difficult.

yingwhy2/25/2019, 12:04:03 AM2 votes

Rammus shits on any squishy AD champion

deadlychuck2/25/2019, 1:38:30 AM2 votes

Riot: "We hear you so we're going to fix the problem immediately!"

Patch V9.5: Rammus - Defensive Ball Curl: Now increases damage of Spiked Shell, by 150% up from 50%.

Kaisha2/25/2019, 2:43:47 AM2 votes

The point of tanks is to have players that are easy for the carries to destroy. Have we not learned that by now? Tank lives for more than 3 hits 'OMG TANK META NERF'. Assassins/carries run around insta-deleteing everything in sight for seasons on end 'working as intended'. Take the hint, if you want to play a tank, play another game, they will never be anything but fodder.

JackMcSnipeyz2/25/2019, 6:01:29 AM2 votes

Duskblade? Stormrazor? Spear of shojin?

I cant take these posts seriously even if the general point is partially correct.

RavenMagus2/25/2019, 6:57:52 AM2 votes

Yeah but every time I face a Rammus he melts me in 2 seconds while taunting me, too.

Nuparu2/26/2019, 5:40:21 AM1 votes

Questionable inclusion of Dusk/Storm, but Spear of Shojin needs to be removed from the game.

That item has absolutely destroyed balance on certain characters, and Essence Flare (aka "Awakened Dragon") needs to go. It's not healthy design.