Make more ap junglers viable then only evelynn

Frozoh·Apr 20, 2018·5 votes·4,944 views

When i get into champ select and i see a yasuo/zed/talon mid and ask to pick a mage they most of the time ignore or don't care about the team comp (because they usually get played by otps) and then we get into a full ad situation. I mostly play bruisers toplane and don't want to be forced to pick kennen (the only ap champ i can play) if it's bad against their team comp just so that they don't stack armor or pick almost no kill pressure (unless autofilled) malphite top that stack armor very well and be unkillable later in the game. You can say the support can pick brand too for big AOE dmg later in teamfights but how many times does that happen when they only want or can play tank supports/passive shield supports. If more heavy ap junglers like Elise or Gragas can be picked up again then this problem would be very rare.

26 Comments

iPooUnicornsApr 20, 20184 votes

One of the biggest issues is how inferior Runic Echoes is compared to the other jungle items.

SwiftKitten88Apr 20, 20183 votes

if they gave Nidalee some more hp and armor, as well has giving her back her full pounce reset when killing a minion/monster and or pouncing to a hunted champion.. (and only keep the incremental reset on pouncing to a hunted CAMP). as well as giving her her % damage hp traps back and just changing the cap to 50/100/150/200/250 instead of a flat 200.

they wouldn't really even need to touch her numbers actual damage numbers to make her viable

Timethief49Apr 20, 20181 votes

Shes actually doing pretty fine atm. She even sees proplay from time to time.

SwiftKitten88Apr 20, 20181 votes

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Shes actually doing pretty fine atm. She even sees proplay from time to time.

i woudlnt call her fine.. she is PLAYABLE for the players like me who MAIN her.. but her clear is absurdly hard to do without being executed... EXTREMELY susceptible to an invade, which your team wont help u with at lower elos.

if i didn't main her i would never decide to learn a champ in her current state.

MalfectiousApr 20, 20181 votes

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i woudlnt call her fine.. she is PLAYABLE for the players like me who MAIN her.. but her clear is absurdly hard to do without being executed... EXTREMELY susceptible to an invade, which your team wont help u with at lower elos.

if i didn't main her i would never decide to learn a champ in her current state.

Ah come on, it's not that bad, you just have to stay busy kiting and changing between couger/woman form and healing yourself and hitting the right targets with you spear and comboing in the right order.

FrozohApr 20, 20181 votes

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if they gave some more hp and armor, as well has giving her back her full pounce reset when killing a minion/monster and or pouncing to a hunted champion.. (and only keep the incremental reset on pouncing to a hunted CAMP). as well as giving her her % damage hp traps back and just changing the cap to 50/100/150/200/250 instead of a flat 200.

they wouldn't really even need to touch her numbers actual damage numbers to make her viable

i would like these changes but they should compensate that to remove her early game q spam a bit so if you're low under turret as a midlaner/toplaner you don't get spammed with spears till you're dead and then lose all minions for that imo.

SwiftKitten88Apr 20, 20181 votes

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i would like these changes but they should compensate that to remove her early game q spam a bit so if you're low under turret as a midlaner/toplaner you don't get spammed with spears till you're dead and then lose all minions for that imo.

if she can throw spears at you like that all day it means she isn't using the mana to heal, which if u are trading her she should be. as in top and mid lane she wont have item 1414 to regen mana

FrozohApr 20, 20181 votes

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if she can throw spears at you like that all day it means she isn't using the mana to heal, which if u are trading her she should be. as in top and mid lane she wont have to regen mana

I wasn't clear about that if she was a jungler and if you get pushed in from the enemy toplaner as a toplaner and you're low from bullies like jayce/kennen/gnar, as a melee with a huge minion wave and shes coming from blue/red side of toplane and just spams q from fog of war have fun csing while trying to dodge that not that there are many junglers doing that but if these changes where coming she shouldnt just spam q and should be rewarded from hitting one with a longer cd and can easily dive after.

SwiftKitten88Apr 20, 20182 votes

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I wasn't clear about that if she was a jungler and if you get pushed in from the enemy toplaner as a toplaner and you're low from bullies like jayce/kennen/gnar, as a melee with a huge minion wave and shes coming from blue/red side of toplane and just spams q from fog of war have fun csing while trying to dodge that not that there are many junglers doing that but if these changes where coming she shouldn't just spam q and should be rewarded from hitting one with a longer cd and can easily dive after.

well unless her laner is going to tank she really doesn't want to dive in... early on she wont have her full reset (it resets from 6 seconds to 4) and if u can cc her under the tower she will instantly die.

also nidalee isn't likely to stay and do this unless you are VERY low and the spear itself could kill you without her pouncing in due the the scenario i just described, also because standing near your tower frequently causes takedown to attack the tower for some reason instead of the champ because being an "empowered auto" it attacks the "closest target in range"

that's not to say this doesn't ever happen.. but it is a rarity that she would do this.. especially a rarity she would even be spending time ganking top when she could get bot or even mid ahead which has a much higher impact on the game and be closer to important objectives like dragon

FrozohApr 20, 20181 votes

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well unless her laner is going to tank she really doesnt want to dive in... early on she wont have her full reset (it resets from 6 seconds to 4) and if u can cc her under the tower she will instantly die.

also nidalee isnt likely to stay and do this unless you are VERY low and the spear itself could kill you with her pouncing in due the the senario i just described, also becuase standing near you tower frequently cuases takedown to attack the tower for some reason instead of the champ becuase being an "empowered auto" it attacks the "closest target in range"

that not to say this donest happen.. but it is a rarity that she would do this.. espcially a raity she would be spending time ganking top when she could get bot or even mid ahead which has a much higher impact on the game and be closer to important objectives like dragon

Well i hope with the suggested buffs for nida you wrote that she won't be that abnoxious and atleast 2 ap junglers are meta and stronger and maybe even more Amumu Diana Ekko Gragas Fiddlesticks

SwiftKitten88Apr 20, 20181 votes

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Well i hope with the suggested buffs for nida you wrote that she won't be that abnoxious and atleast 2 ap junglers are meta and stronger and maybe even more

well i speciaclly choose buff that wouldnt make her jungle much stronger the reason why she was even GIVEN the incremental reset was becuase she coudl start wolves or raptors and get reset after reset when starting traps/pounce.

now as long she can do that there is no reason to not give her back her full reset, (becuase not having that is EXTREMELY hurtful to her ability to lane)

also the reason her % hp traps were removed was because riot was tried of her dropping 5 traps under blue buff and having them instantly kill it.

which of course could have been easily stopped by LOWERING the pre-existing cap on said traps from 200 at lvl one to somthign more reasonable at early levels

this again was VERY damaing to her laning.

and its not exactly liek taking 10% max hp from, setting on a trap that takes 2 second to arm is going to break her.

when a single adc auto does 25% of your hp.

all it really does is prevent champs like Leona walking over 6 of them in your lane

and u STILL cant even do what Caitlyn and do and block off a lane.. because minions will trigger her traps.

10% hp + 1% per 100 AP really isn't much when you consider the amount of damage other champs do, and how absurdly rare it is to even walk over a trap at a time it would be useful to said nidalee

BlåbæretApr 20, 20181 votes

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i would like these changes but they should compensate that to remove her early game q spam a bit so if you're low under turret as a midlaner/toplaner you don't get spammed with spears till you're dead and then lose all minions for that imo.

Nidalee can't spam spears lmao.

Colton147Apr 20, 20183 votes

Elise Fiddlesticks item 3070

SithesisLordApr 21, 20182 votes

Diana FeelsOldWarwickMan

Dead flag bluesApr 20, 20182 votes

than*

FrozohApr 20, 20182 votes

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than*

Pretty sure it's then, im not saying they should make them MORE viable or better than her, but make more viable champions like her.

Beowulf8806Apr 20, 20183 votes

Its totally than*, then is used to reference time. As in, do this then do that. Than is for comparison.

Taking the title literally, one would understand it as "Make more ap junglers viable, then make only Eve viable by nerfing them back"

FrozohApr 21, 20182 votes

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Its totally than*, then is used to reference time. As in, do this then do that. Than is for comparison.

Taking the title literally, one would understand it as "Make more ap junglers viable, then make only Eve viable by nerfing them back"

Thanks for clarifying that I’m not a native english speaker.

Beowulf8806Apr 21, 20181 votes

No problem, thank you for being accepting of the correction. Too many people get defensive when you let them know how they messed up. Glad I could help you understand

Jinzo TorranceApr 20, 20181 votes

Make Evelynn unviable

FrozohApr 20, 20182 votes

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Make Evelynn unviable

I agree that champion is not fun to play against and needs more counterplay. she can literally walk into a lane and go in a bush from bot/top if not controll warded and gank that after 6.

DreadlocksApr 20, 20181 votes

I know its not the solution you want to hear.. but i generally just dodge. I'm a Rengar main so if i see my team comp blows or we REALLY need ap, id rather dodge then force a shitty game.

As far as ap junglers, we have evelynn and elise that stand out. The problem is a lot of ap junglers are either "tanks" or they are pushed out of the meta by tanks..

Another alternative is to play champions that do a lot of magic damage, Shyvana, Mundo, Phoenix Udyr..

Generally speaking though if its all AD comp and you're worried about malphite stacking armor and making your entire team useless, then picking an ap Jungler probably isn't enough to solve the issue anyways.. I mean.. maybe if you can get away with fiddlesticks? I just can't think of too many "ap" junglers that would ever want to focus the tank anyways.

FrozohApr 20, 20181 votes

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I know its not the solution you want to hear.. but i generally just dodge. I'm a Rengar main so if i see my team comp blows or we REALLY need ap, id rather dodge then force a shitty game.

As far as ap junglers, we have evelynn and elise that stand out. The problem is a lot of ap junglers are either "tanks" or they are pushed out of the meta by tanks..

Another alternative is to play champions that do a lot of magic damage, Shyvana, Mundo, Phoenix Udyr..

Generally speaking though if its all AD comp and you're worried about malphite stacking armor and making your entire team useless, then picking an ap Jungler probably isn't enough to solve the issue anyways.. I mean.. maybe if you can get away with fiddlesticks? I just can't think of too many "ap" junglers that would ever want to focus the tank anyways.

Ye but i rather use my -3lp dodge and 6 minute wait penalty on tilted adcs that lost like 10 games in a row since adc is now the most broken role in the game by far.

DreadlocksApr 20, 20181 votes

Yeah i agree.

Isn't it funny that Riot thinks tanks are the sole issue? "we're nerfing cinderhulk cause even champions like jax are buying it" like bro.. because its necessary to live long enough to actually use the rest of the kit lol.

Snowman ArcApr 21, 20181 votes

How about, instead of bitching about your mid laner picking a mage, you play an AP top laner? Rumble is fine, Vlad is strong, as is Ryze, Cassio and LIssandra can be player top. Then you have the tanks like Chogath, Maokai, who deal respectable magic damage early and mid game.

Also, AP junglers are viable. Nidalee is good since she can snowball for freaking hard, Elise is in an ok spot, Eve is fine. Also, there is magic damage coming from ADCs like Varus, Kogmaw.