Shaco...REWORK?

Same^Rip Shaco </3

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as a shaco main i feel really bad to see my main die

Silence,atleast your main was alive

He was at least slightly wrong though. He said that at max q the time of stealth would be equal to what it is now but from what I have seen it will be 4.5 second. On top of this the e damage is supposed to be weaker and the % missing health damage is in white text so seems to scale with level. If this is true you can max q first and do effective ganks starting a little later than currently but still faster than what he showed. He also was extremely under-leveled in his video and though it is a nerf, it is likely not as bad as he displayed. Also, the slow on e passive is from 10-30% based on the ability's level to 20-30%. The initiation of q plus boxes since you don't unstealth might also be useful in teamfights. I say now you might max e last depending on what type of strategy you go. I agree that the new addition to the ult is underwhelming but it isn't useless.

I don't want the rework to be skipped, I'm like the only one who thinks the changes are great.:D His E is an overall buff even without the backstab damage, his Q becomes the spell to max first, his boxes won't die ridiculously quickly because of more heal and ap shaco becomes interesting to play. Only his ult changes look stupid, I would like his clone moving at the same time as him and when you clic a second time on R his clone will die within the next 2.5 seconds(and some indication he will die for the ennemies) so you can really do some calculated damage in TF instead of these three fcking Jacks appearing when the clone dies.

It's actually too hard to say if it's a nerf or not, try to be more objective cuz you find some real buffs(if he becomes bad like most people say, a little buff on his passive will make him fine). Don't forget everyone told skarner changes would make him worse until his winrate went up to 65%, no one would like to see him 95% banned/picked so buff him slowly and be objective pls. Apart from balance, the changes will make him in my opinion less cancer playing with him and against him. I really mean it. :D

"hehehe I gotta cry about everi champino i hate so dey git gutted xdfffddd"

Shaco falls of quite hard even in late game. Takes about a full rotation with thunderlords to kill an isolated squishy.

In a teamfight late game he can't even get close to their carry since he gets chain cc'd the moment he leave stealth.

Calling shaco a snowball champion is like calling soraka a viable tank.

Shaco can get his team snowballing but he himself benefits very little from being fed since he can only use his lead to kill isolated squishies and splitpush.

The rework riot said they'd give us was a slight adjustment to his early and a healthier late game. What we got was half our damage, most of our slipperiness and stealth, box stacking, and shiv execute taken away with no compensation and a meme on our ulti.

I don't know what Riot was thinking but they've gutted shaco despite him not being a popular or op pick like nidalee or lee sin for example.

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I think Shaco is likely to going to see a lot of changes based on player feedback. Just because they aren't immediately changing him on PBE doesn't mean they aren't looking into him. They have people on standby to look at the champ reworks, but I'm sure they'll want data on the live servers before they do anything too drastic.

I'm not necessarily trying to defend them; I'm just saying that IF they were already working on HUGE post-rework changes to Shaco, we wouldn't see it yet. Give them a little time. Preseason always has a few things that need another look after it hits.

The thing is though, that these changes have been live on the PBE for 9 days now, and riot hasn't even mentioned him despite how ridiculously weak he is. They essentially cut ALL of his damage IN HALF with no compensation. Now, maybe there just aren't very many people playing Shaco on the PBE, maybe they don't have enough data, but Riot has a history of fucking over champions that I love.

Pretty sure he's not planned to ever get a large rework