what do you actually expect to gain?
Games won't be any easier.
Communication won't get any better.
Queue times will get worse.
people will still get very angry at you.
people will still gang up against you.
and you'll have wasted the time of rioters that could have spent more time making something more important, like the tribunal.
LostFr0st6 votesGames won't be any easier.
Communication won't get any better.
people will still get very angry at you.
people will still gang up against you.
Exactly^^ And that way I'll have only my own incompetence to blame if I fail. I have not played Ranked yet this season due to this. I just want to test my skill not my friends' and not my enemies' friends'.
macromite2 votesonly thing I can say to this, losing after giving your all is not a weakness, weakness is not giving more next time. take it how you will.
LostFr0st2 votesMhm. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
SkyblazeHydraX34 votesLeague of Legends is a team-oriented game. You will never have a time or opportunity when the entire game is reliant on your skill alone. It will always be based on you, your team, and the enemy team as a whole.
So why not play with the friends you can actually trust?
LostFr0st2 votesI just really enjoy playing and attempting to sincerely communicate with randoms ^^" Maybe I'm strange for that but I try my hardest when I'm alone.
I get what you're saying but there is also the argument of a friend's expectations or assumptions when in queue for a role or selecting a champion.
It's about being able to pull whatever rabbit I've been prepping out of the hat whenever I want.
I've found that while ranking some friends can get in the way of that sadly... and that is an essential feeling of ranked to me.
Don't get me wrong though; I love to play with them and I don't find that they're terrible at league or anything.
I just simply don't want to play ranked with buddies.
SkyblazeHydraX34 votesI get what you mean. Sometimes I just feel like playing with my friends can cost me. But I took your comment as wanting to rely purely on your own skill and abilities in a game, which in League is just.... impossible.
LostFr0st2 votesSorry 'bout that^^" I should have been more clear. Thanks for getting me to clear that up.
macromite2 votesyou and skyblaze are like the coolest guys, let me say that right now.
LostFr0st2 votes
Glad I found some people to have a rational conversation with bb.
Wait I just looked at your match history and skimmed the comments in this thread. How long have you been playing league Macromite?
macromite1 votestoo long for a bronze to feel good about being bronze. but I don't play enough in ranked, at least I didn't used to.
I started playing before they removed ionic spark. but I started playing seriously in S3. have taken long breaks from playing before, it's why I'm missing some things that I should have, like judgement kayle.
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LostFr0st1 votesO wow that's a long time~ I joined mid/late season 4. Ionic spark looks like a pretty fun item from what I read on the wiki <3
Kayle was my second champ after Anivia... And I'm certain Judgement Kayle is an illusion I saw on her skin splash pages. As is Silver Kayle.
macromite1 votesyou and lostfrost are like the coolest guys, let me say that right now.
SexyGamer1 votesI have no friends therefore ur argument is invalid to my case!
Slythion5 votesThis is so wrong lol
Nobody asked for easier games
Communication will be equal for all players in the game, without leaving out 1-2 of teammates who have to pretend to be bots and never say a word in the game
Queue times will be fine, and even if not, I'm willing to sacrifice a few minutes to ensure a higher quality game
Ya but people will get angry at you for mistakes. It's better than being made the scapegoat because qued members can't blame eachother
At least it will be fair
There are probably better responses to this that more qualified people can provide, but even as someone who only plays normals (still solo) I can figure out these reasons on my own.
Obungo 4 votesIt won't be fair in low elo where 25% of the players are either trolls or just horrid. Riot implemented dynamic queue to aid this area of the playerbase, considering nearly 80% of the players are in it. Putting solo queue back in will only piss off everybody when they realize (again) that the game is trash in that state. Dynamic queue gave people a way to GUARANTEE that the game will be fun, and that you won't get screwed by that one guy who afk's midway into the game because his mommy says its bedtime. Its not that hard to find people to play with, and if you can't find at least 2 people to queue with then you need to rethink your time playing this game.
SexyGamer1 votesright so then there should 2 queues. Not just one. Give the player choice.
Babo Migug4 votesTip the tribunal didnt really do anything back then anyways. People would just vote you are guilty to get rewards. You will always get players that feed every now and then ect. Besides riot has more than one team for one thing in the game LOL
macromite2 votestip, the tribunal actually did do things. people ended up being pardoned by it more often than you think.
more than one team per thing yes, time being wasted on this is still time wasted.
ElysMustache1 votesAt the point I joined League (end of Season 4), the Tribunal no longer offered IP for voting on cases.
ff4sk3 voteswhat do you actually expect to gain?
Not to get reported by a group of premades for not playing how they want me to thats one thing
Games won't be any easier.
I don't know about that, it'll certainly fix some balance issues in match making and I won't have to play with high elo players because you queue'd up with your high elo friend
Communication won't get any better.
Maybe not but no one will have a communication advantage on other players and people might use the ingame chat more
Queue times will get worse.
Maybe for dynamic queue players but I highly doubt solo queue players will have any problems queuing up into a game
people will still get very angry at you.
1 or 2 random people getting angry at me is better than getting dog piled by a group of premades for not babysitting all their lanes at once
people will still gang up against you.
Not as much as with dynamic queue since you won't have friends backing you up when you flame the poor support for accidentally taking cs
and you'll have wasted the time of rioters that could have spent more time making something more important, like the tribunal.
I'd rather that than spend 40 minutes in a game with trolls who refuse to surrender and constantly flame me the entire time.
The only downside I see with having a solo queue mode separate to dynamic queue would be for dynamic queue players to have longer wait time which is ok to me since I can actually carry myself and don't need to queue up with friends to climb.
My questions to you is what's your problem with solo players getting a choice? Are we not allowed to choose how we play this game? Are we second class players that only exist to close gaps in premades and make your gaming experience better? What if I didn't want to play with premades? What makes you more important than me? Why should I be forced to play with you?
SexyGamer3 voteswhat do you actually expect to gain?
A better platform to showcase individual skill instead of "oh, i got to this elo because i premade with really good players".
Games won't be any easier.
That depends on the player. If you were a true solo que player, then you'd understand that there are nuances in a game of solo que players that mostly use the chat as their main form of communication. Some players might not ping. Some might end up afking their character as they're typing out sentences. Alot of information can get lost through the process of typing your thoughts.
Communication won't get any better.
But thats IT. Communication should be worse because players aren't utilizing some type of vocal communication program like teamspeak thus there are more mistakes to be made. Good solo que players can punish this.
Queue times will get worse.
Not true. EVERYONE is a solo que player queueing therefore its much faster to find teams since in dynamic queue, the system has to check for premades and attempt to match premades with premades before anything else.
people will still get very angry at you.
So? that is league of legends solo que. If you haven't understood that by now, you are extremely dense or have muted everyone every single game.
people will still gang up against you.
Maybe. Teamwork isn't as crisp/clean as it is in dynamic que.
macromite1 votesIt didn't reliably show skill before dynamic queue, it doesn't show skill now, it's not going to show skill afterward. want to know how to show skill? literally show people.
a lot of people just don't type. communication to the solo player is unaffected, and you gain no advantage, so communication is not an issue to be concerned about solo queue for.
less groups means less supports. less supports means longer queues. no retorting, I know a lot of support mains, and a lot of the refuse to play without others.
no change and no change overall.
quad queues getting mad at single players is not an issue. why? because they are probably also getting mad at eachother. directionless anger. also, people saying that people have gotten mad at them like you are are very often exaggerating for a purpose, and the purpose is pointless.
Karma Deified1 votesYour lack of logic leaves me incapable of forming a reply that you could understand.
macromite1 voteslogic you don't understand is not a lack of it, it's just a lack of understanding from your point.
Karma Deified1 votesI understand your stance. It is just lacking in objective logic.
macromite1 votesunderstanding my stance, and understanding my logic, are clearly very different things. If you will, please state my stance, so as to be sure you understand that.
The Queen Viper2 votesmacromite1 votesbalanced. i mean, that happens more often in dynamic. bad point.
fair. the game is no more or less fair.
you assume too much. solo will not be the defacto, it will be used sometimes, but not often, all it does is split up 4 man groups and creates a new issue for riot to deal with.
The Queen Viper1 votesbalanced. i mean, that happens more often in dynamic. bad point.
Nope, it doesn't happen more often in dynamic queue.
Here's a fun fact for you clueless people;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYVo-oMOCpY
This has NEVER happened in the history of LoL, prior the introduction of dynamic queue.
fair. the game is no more or less fair.
Wrong.
The presence of premades skew the games and balance.
macromite1 voteshas never happened before, was never capable of happening before. maybe at high mmr it can be a thing, but only D3 and above. at around that point dynamic get very skewed due to long ass queues and not having a saturated enough player base.
and the balance and fairness are both things that are totally true. high mmr skews things, but that's high mmr, the presence of premades is actually good for overall game balance as well, as it reduces the difference between yolo champs and competitive champs, making buffing yolo champs possible while nerfing competitive champs stays about how it is now.
no overall change to it all, in fact, it seems like it's more beneficial to not change it.
theArtifacts2 votesSolo Queue:
"I'm first pick, I'm going here" "Nope, it's my main, I'm going there"
Picks champ "Oh that champ, must be this lane. What lane are you?" Doesn't answer "Well I'll go this then" "WTF I WAS THERE!!! TROLL!! IM AFK"
Dynamic Queue solves these in the best route possible, however to appease purely solo players there should be a dynamic-solo option.
NotSpecialDude2 votesPersonally I don't mind dynamic queue. I understand the natural advantage of premades, (better communication and all that.) but at the end of the day its still a 5 v 5 game. Voice chat is good, but pings can be effective if used correctly.
If communication is truly the issue wouldn't it be better to add more types of pings to allow for better communication?
It won't solve everything, but it be a better fix then bitching for a prior system that had its own flaws. I mean seriously, do people miss when last pick hated support and picked a top laner in frustration, or two people on the same team had the same main role and no back ups. Sure teambuilder could fix this, but then we'd have longer queue times due to support being a unpopular role.
Premades have an advantage, I will not deny or downplay it, but I like being able to play roles without competition and waiting huge amounts of time.
macromite1 votesThink you forgot a word there friend,
"and not waiting huge amounts of time."
other than that, you put it perfectly, instead of taking time to try and bring back an old system, it makes more sense to add something to equalize the field in a better way.
The Bearded Bard2 votesPreach!
Urgonnalearn2day1 votesGames won't be easier, but we'll have an impact. Right now solo players have virtually no impact on the game. 4 man premade vs 4 man premade with 2 players who are effectively in the dark. We do badly? Not that big of a deal. We do well? Not that big of a deal.
Your team has an awesome strategy, but they don't tell you? Your fault. Your team wants to do a 4 man roaming support strategy and it fails? Your fault. Team utterly stomps the enemy team? 4 man team carried you. Some awesome zzrot portal strategy? Yeah they carried you.
It really does seem like the solo player is there literally to fill out a team of people who want to have nothing to do with them. We're literally just entertainment.
macromite1 votesyou have no more or less impact in solo queue. it's the same thing for the solo player. no change. at all. all your doing is kidding yourself, convincing yourself that this change will help you, when it won't.
Urgonnalearn2day1 votesyou have no more or less impact in solo queue. it's the same thing for the solo player. no change. at all. all your doing is kidding yourself, convincing yourself that this change will help you, when it won't.
Factually we will. Continue to be a sheep and drink the koolaid. I laid out my reasoning you just said "nuh uh".
macromite1 votesoh-ho-ho. you are trying to be above me, instead of as an equal. I said what i did because you immediately tried to convince me that I was wrong on the grounds of you are right, where as I concisely stated that this is false, and your logic is shot, but nothing i can do can fix it until you stop trying to convince yourself of your fallacy.
Urgonnalearn2day1 votesoh-ho-ho. you are trying to be above me, instead of as an equal. I said what i did because you immediately tried to convince me that I was wrong on the grounds of you are right, where as I concisely stated that this is false, and your logic is shot, but nothing i can do can fix it until you stop trying to convince yourself of your fallacy.
Mr. Sheep: You're here fighting everyone.....
PS - based on everything you've said so far: you're not my equal and with each post you sink lower like a fat kid on a water bed.
macromite1 votesagain, with no actual remark, just you trying to tell me I'm wrong with nothing but a smug grin. sometimes, someone needs to stand alone. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/photo/20090602-Lens-Behind-Tianamen/20090603-tank-cole-1000px.jpg
Urgonnalearn2day1 votesagain, with no actual remark, just you trying to tell me I'm wrong with nothing but a smug grin. sometimes, someone needs to stand alone. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/photo/20090602-Lens-Behind-Tianamen/20090603-tank-cole-1000px.jpg
So did he bro.
macromite1 votesactually, this has me wondering. I'm against everyone and yet i'm a sheep? sheep means I follow the trend, yet I don't.
another guy with an unpopular opinion
Urgonnalearn2day1 votesactually, this has me wondering. I'm against everyone and yet i'm a sheep? sheep means I follow the trend, yet I don't.
another guy with an unpopular opinion
He was a shepherd not a sheep bro.
macromite1 votesand I am as well, in a way.
Rain NT1 votesI rather that when players getting free wins cause they have better friends. Hey I have good friends too but I'm looking out for the players who likes to play alone. Players who wants to get their ranking off of their own skill only and not their friends carrying them to it.
macromite1 votesi think you may have forgot some words there. but I can kind of agree, it's just having a solo queue isn't the answer, I think the answer would be to increase gains or decrease losses if you go solo, but no defined queue.
Rain NT1 votesOops I was tired...
Umm yeah I think so too, but my idea is just have a cap of how many players can be premade. Like 3 man premade cap and one person can only 3 man premade say 10 times per month (maybe this is a tad bit extreme though). Also 3 man premade can only face against other 3 man premades. To try to keep the skill gap the same, cause youre essentially betting on your 3 man premade is better than their 3 man premade. Plus it will solve the problem of super long que timers. And if you want to 5 man que then Riot shoudl implement another ranked 5 man team que. 4 man premade was already a strange idea to begin with and the que timers are ridiculous.
macromite1 votesseems reasonable as well, but it wouldn't solve long queue timers, it would increase them. adding rules to the system makes the system need to check the rules more often, which increases queue times. instead of fitting everything where i can fit, it would try to fit everything in a certain way. kind of like tetris, imagine a tetris game where you tried to follow a rule where you could only fit certain pieces right next to other pieces of its kind.
I mean, not to knock your idea, it certainly solves some issues that my idea does not.
Sythriel Draken1 votesit won't be league of "who has the better premade" any more..
macromite1 votesit isn't now. there is never a game you can't win, the only thing you do when you check is psych yourself out.
